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Yes, estrogen stops aging.
It just slows it down drastically and makes you not look disgusting when you're 30+. Look at trans men before and after testosterone, they all look 10 years older after just one year. It's the worst poison you can get. There's a reason why eunuchs live 20 years longer than the average male.
 

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I don't care about aging so long as I'm aging like a woman and not a disgusting European man. I would far rather age more akin to my mother than my father. And regardless, cis women's estrogen levels begin dropping in their late 20's and dwindle until menopause. By consistently injecting estrogen the aging process is much less brutal, ESPECIALLY comparing it to cis men. How I looked at 22 prior to getting on estradiol was simply unacceptable for my standards. I can't imagine how it would have progressed had I not grew a pair and started messing with my hormones.
 

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Quality and quantity are two different things. There are pros and cons to a shift towards each profile. Depends on your goals. There is no silver chalice.

That study you are alluding to was on Korean eunuchs who were castrated before adolescence, so we don’t know the effects of castration on lifespan in grown males.
Less collagen & fat on your face is going to make everyone look older. Estrogen prevents that. Testosterone accelerates it.
 

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Pretty sure all the pain I’ve been having is just a result of occipital neuralgia from my (really bad) upper back/neck problems. finasteride/min/ru all trigger it, and someone else with Occipital Neuralgia got increased pain from finasteride and min.
If I can finally fix my upper back problems I should be able to quit this sh*t
Also I can pretty much confirm this.
My pain flares up in the same areas whenever I start working on my upper back issues. I think my scalp is just super sensitive and anything that changes it’s current state causes issues. Just thought I’d need to put this out there so I don’t accidentally scare people about reflex hyperandrogenicity, at least in my case.
 

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That was enough to completely transform my skin in under a year, but I guess for others its different
I'm not suffering from collagen loss or anything like that, I use it as a preventative measure but I was just pointing out that estrogen is also one of the best things for collagen that you can use
 

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Quality and quantity are two different things. There are pros and cons to a shift towards each profile. Depends on your goals. There is no silver chalice.

That study you are alluding to was on Korean eunuchs who were castrated before adolescence, so we don’t know the effects of castration on lifespan in grown males.
I'm still trying to think of the pros of testosterone but I can't find any that are relevant nowadays. It makes you stronger and more muscular but at the expense of everything else. I don't hunt wild animals with my bare hands or need to use physical strength ever so I don't see any benefit of it. Masturbating 20 times per day is also hardly a positive thing. The average male testosterone levels have been declining for decades, it's only a matter of time before we evolve out of this useless poison
 
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I'm still trying to think of the pros of testosterone but I can't find any that are relevant nowadays. It makes you stronger and more muscular but at the expense of everything else. I don't hunt wild animals with my bare hands or need to use physical strength ever so I don't see any benefit of it. Masturbating 20 times per day is also hardly a positive thing. The average male testosterone levels have been declining for decades, it's only a matter of time before we evolve out of this useless poison
Estradiol wouldn't have any downsides for me if it didn't change your physique. It increases the amount of fat on the thighs and legs, and this is a disgusting effect.
At the same time, the negative effects of testosterone can be neutralized by taking Bicalutamide. Baldness is the hardest thing to counteract, I will try to do it with RU. Overall, you are greatly exaggerating. Testosterone is clearly overrated and considered the source of everything good in a person (many people are concerned with how to increase it and see its deficiency as the cause of all problems), but considering it total evil is also not correct.
 

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Estradiol wouldn't have any downsides for me if it didn't change your physique. It increases the amount of fat on the thighs and legs, and this is a disgusting effect.
At the same time, the negative effects of testosterone can be neutralized by taking Bicalutamide. Baldness is the hardest thing to counteract, I will try to do it with RU. Overall, you are greatly exaggerating. Testosterone is clearly overrated and considered the source of everything good in a person (many people are concerned with how to increase it and see its deficiency as the cause of all problems), but considering it total evil is also not correct.
You could get liposuction and remove the fat cells in that area so the fat would be stored in different places for about 7 years before they can regenerate. Also without estrogen the fat would just be stored around your stomach area so I'm not sure if that's any better
 

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You could get liposuction and remove the fat cells in that area so the fat would be stored in different places for about 7 years before they can regenerate. Also without estrogen the fat would just be stored around your stomach area so I'm not sure if that's any better
Liposuction doesn't work that simple. No, losing T fat is not offset by gaining belly fat. I have already shown studies that estradiol increases the percentage of fat in your body. And on estradiol you will have more belly fat, just look at the before and after photos. If a guy had abs, they disappear on estradiol due to fat
 

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There is only handfull of women im attracted to that are older than me. Maybe 3-4 years max, they all look dry to me.

Aging is unpreventable, you cant fool anyone with drugs/hormones of any kind. You will look your age.

Even my example with sean o pry, yes he looks 10/10 at both pics but you can tell that he is no less than 30yo in second pic.

Estrogen can make you look underdeveloped so yes there might be some confusion when guessing your age lol. From pics of adri I immediately thought of christian bale in movie “the machinist”, just little less malnourished.
indeed no matter what you do if you are 35 you are 35 you cant be 55 or 25!! Just like this guy brian who wants to live forever and does all those rediculous thing still looks old as fk and creepy
 

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There is only handfull of women im attracted to that are older than me. Maybe 3-4 years max, they all look dry to me.

Aging is unpreventable, you cant fool anyone with drugs/hormones of any kind. You will look your age.

Even my example with sean o pry, yes he looks 10/10 at both pics but you can tell that he is no less than 30yo in second pic.

Estrogen can make you look underdeveloped so yes there might be some confusion when guessing your age lol. From pics of adri I immediately thought of christian bale in movie “the machinist”, just little less malnourished.
Skin aging is very preventable with tretinoin and sunscreen, it's harder to prevent fat loss but it affects estrogen people much less cause their faces don't shrivel up into a prune as soon as they hit 30. Testosterone people just never look good after that age. Not sure how you can even argue about that
 

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indeed no matter what you do if you are 35 you are 35 you cant be 55 or 25!! Just like this guy brian who wants to live forever and does all those rediculous thing still looks old as fk and creepy
You can prematurely age yourself with alcohol, smoking and excess sun exposure. Being on testosterone you can't avoid facial fat loss but on estrogen it's a lot slower. Personally I would rather ropemaxx than age like the average testosterone person.
 

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You mean like mike thurston? Or david laid?

Its all genes boyo.
Do they look like the average male or what is the point of that comment? I'm talking about the effects of estrogen and testosterone on the average person and the aging process, not about some outliers that managed to look decent after spending half their lives at the gym. Obviously you don't have their genes and you probably don't go to the gym much either so you better get back on estrogen while you still can

Also david laid literally just turned 26.. the aging process barely began for him.
 
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Skin aging is very preventable with tretinoin and sunscreen, it's harder to prevent fat loss but it affects estrogen people much less cause their faces don't shrivel up into a prune as soon as they hit 30. Testosterone people just never look good after that age. Not sure how you can even argue about that
As you age, you either lose facial fat or gravity begins to act on it and you develop jowls. Dude, you can't fool time.
 

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As you age, you either lose facial fat or gravity begins to act on it and you develop jowls. Dude, you can't fool time.
Jowls are caused by the loss of collagen and elastin, not fat getting dragged down your neck by gravity lol. Estrogen stimulates both of them. Everyone loses facial fat but it happens at a much slower rate for women.
 
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