Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[abovedagame]

Bridgey
What's your family history of hair loss like?

Is ur body and beard hair still thinning?

That's awesome that ur gf is so supporting. Is she younger or older?

 

[bridgeburn]

Bridgey
What's your family history of hair loss like?

my grandpa on my moms side has decent hair i guess for someone over 80 years old, no crown loss maybe nw3 to nw3.5 but my uncle has lots of balding crown and recession. everyone on my moms side has a bit of a big forehead regardless of whether they are balding or not.
my father has a deep receeding hairline and hes had that since as long as i remember. i saw a pic of him at 24 or 25 and his hair maybe a little recession but looked relatively fullhead, I was just a baby then. strange but his brother and dad are not balding, well maybe his dad has a little thinning at temples but the guy is in his 80s and had great hair his whole life and still does and seems everyone on his side of the family has great hair, my dad's cousin is a rock star with long hair. however my grandma told me that her father (or maybe it was her grandfather i dont remember?) was super bald and had like one inch wide strip of hair wrapped around the sides and back and thars it.

That's awesome that ur gf is so supporting. Is she younger or older?

she's older but looks really young cause she's asian lol.

 

[bridgeburn]

@AnxiousAndy Ethynl Estradiol officially has blood clots listed as a rare but serious side effect.
it is not as easily metabolised by the liver as natural E and stays in the body longer.

back in the day, higher doses were in birth control pills until they discovered that the stuff is stronger than they thought.
It is also no longer reccomended for transitioning.

"EE carries a greater risk of blood clot formation and VTE than does natural estradiol, which is thought to be due to different degrees of hepatic metabolism between the two drugs (see below).

The original formulations of COCs contained as much as 150 μg EE.[24] However, it was soon found that EE is associated with incidence of VTE and that the risk is dose-dependent.[24] Subsequently, the dosage of EE was greatly reduced, and is now generally between 25 and 35 μg,[24] in some cases less than 20 μg,[24] and not more than 50 μg.[25][26][23] These lower dosages have a significantly reduced risk of VTE with no loss of contraceptive effectiveness.[24] "

it has a bad reputation however, millions of women do take it in birth control pills and are fine and the risk of blood clots is much higher if you are obese or smoke.

maybe some are more sensitive to it and taking it with too much cypro could be an issue since they both take a toll on the liver. There are other complications it can cause too like that guy experienced who Dhtpolice said was popping 3 pills of yasmin a day for awhile. lol..

also, @Pasbrillantebrunette said she had terrible sides while on diane.

oh and sorry to butt in before rupture could reply.

 

[BetaBoy]

What i find weird is that there are people on these types of regimens that claim they can still have a hard on and there are people who touch a finasteride pill and their dick falls off. Fuckin weird...

I'm over 1 year into finasteride and never had any of the sexual sides that you see perpetuated online, if anything my libido increased. 2 months into CPA/Spironolactone and whilst my libido has reduced significantly I can still get erections, just when I want to, no longer held hostage by my hormones telling me to masturbate every minute of the bleeding day. However it's not all good, recently I have been experiencing emotion/mood swings that more often than not lead me to fantasising suicide which is pretty scary on reflection...

 

[Jesse Navarro]

I'm over 1 year into finasteride and never had any of the sexual sides that you see perpetuated online, if anything my libido increased. 2 months into CPA/Spironolactone and whilst my libido has reduced significantly I can still get erections, just when I want to, no longer held hostage to my hormones telling me to masturbate every minute of the bleeding day. However it's not all good, recently I have been experiencing emotion/mood swings that more often than not lead me to fantasising suicide which is pretty scary on reflection...

Be careful!

 

[Jesse Navarro]

Any results? Gyno?

 

[BetaBoy]

Any results? Gyno?

Whilst I see promising fuzzies down to NW0, I'm going through a shed at the moment so results are hard to gauge. No Gyno atm.

 

[bridgeburn]

However it's not all good, recently I have been experiencing emotion/mood swings that more often than not lead me to fantasising suicide which is pretty scary on reflection...

it could be the cypro since suicidal ideations is a reported side effect. are you taking a vit b12 supplement with it?

 

[BetaBoy]

it could be the cypro since suicidal ideations is a reported side effect. are you taking a vit b12 supplement with it?

Interesting, maybe I should supplement, no doubt my B12 is on the low end as I'm a vegetarian.

 

[bridgeburn]

Interesting, maybe I should supplement, no doubt my B12 is on the low end as I'm a vegetarian.

cypro causes vitb12 defiency and since depression is a side effect of b12 defiency It is thought that that could be the reason for cypros depressive side effects. or if there are other reasons then at least a big part of it.

 

[bridgeburn]

Is ur body and beard hair still thinning?

I think my beard might be stabilized by minoxidil at the moment but i seem to still be losing some body hair.

 

[rupture]

@AnxiousAndy Ethynl Estradiol officially has blood clots listed as a rare but serious side effect.
it is not as easily metabolised by the liver as natural E and stays in the body longer.

back in the day, higher doses were in birth control pills until they discovered that the stuff is stronger than they thought.
It is also no longer reccomended for transitioning.

"EE carries a greater risk of blood clot formation and VTE than does natural estradiol, which is thought to be due to different degrees of hepatic metabolism between the two drugs (see below).

The original formulations of COCs contained as much as 150 μg EE.[24] However, it was soon found that EE is associated with incidence of VTE and that the risk is dose-dependent.[24] Subsequently, the dosage of EE was greatly reduced, and is now generally between 25 and 35 μg,[24] in some cases less than 20 μg,[24] and not more than 50 μg.[25][26][23] These lower dosages have a significantly reduced risk of VTE with no loss of contraceptive effectiveness.[24] "

it has a bad reputation however, millions of women do take it in birth control pills and are fine and the risk of blood clots is much higher if you are obese or smoke.

maybe some are more sensitive to it and taking it with too much cypro could be an issue since they both take a toll on the liver. There are other complications it can cause too like that guy experienced who Dhtpolice said was popping 3 pills of yasmin a day for awhile. lol..

also, @Pasbrillantebrunette said she had terrible sides while on diane.

oh and sorry to butt in before rupture could reply.

no no bro you did fine. lol

 

[rupture]

it could be the cypro since suicidal ideations is a reported side effect. are you taking a vit b12 supplement with it?

I did not know that myself I was having some serious suicidal thoughts in Oct. and Nov. when I was using higher doses. I thought it was just the hormonal shift

 

[Jesse Navarro]

Hi, I dont remember if this has already been discussed. Does it matter that spironolactone has a short half-life? Or is it ok to take only in the morning and at night? You dont have to split the dosage more times in the day, right?

 

[bridgeburn]

Hi, I dont remember if this has already been discussed. Does it matter that spironolactone has a short half-life? Or is it ok to take only in the morning and at night? You dont have to split the dosage more times in the day, right?

spironolactone itself has a short half life but it has active metabolites with longer half lives. so yes, 2x a day should be fine

 

[Jesse Navarro]

spironolactone itself has a short half life but it has active metabolites with longer half lives. so yes, 2x a day should be fine

Thanks Bridgeburn, always helpful and attentive.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

@AnxiousAndy Ethynl Estradiol officially has blood clots listed as a rare but serious side effect.
it is not as easily metabolised by the liver as natural E and stays in the body longer.

back in the day, higher doses were in birth control pills until they discovered that the stuff is stronger than they thought.
It is also no longer reccomended for transitioning.

"EE carries a greater risk of blood clot formation and VTE than does natural estradiol, which is thought to be due to different degrees of hepatic metabolism between the two drugs (see below).

The original formulations of COCs contained as much as 150 μg EE.[24] However, it was soon found that EE is associated with incidence of VTE and that the risk is dose-dependent.[24] Subsequently, the dosage of EE was greatly reduced, and is now generally between 25 and 35 μg,[24] in some cases less than 20 μg,[24] and not more than 50 μg.[25][26][23] These lower dosages have a significantly reduced risk of VTE with no loss of contraceptive effectiveness.[24] "

it has a bad reputation however, millions of women do take it in birth control pills and are fine and the risk of blood clots is much higher if you are obese or smoke.

maybe some are more sensitive to it and taking it with too much cypro could be an issue since they both take a toll on the liver. There are other complications it can cause too like that guy experienced who Dhtpolice said was popping 3 pills of yasmin a day for awhile. lol..

also, @Pasbrillantebrunette said she had terrible sides while on diane.

oh and sorry to butt in before rupture could reply.

Thanks for the info buddy, I've been away from home with my gf and haven't been on in a couple of days so this reply is late. What exactly is ethnyl estrogen?
The estrogel I've purchased is 17b estradiol from ThailandPharmacy and I'm fairly sure its the same you got. (you got that sh*t and estrofem a best seller btw lol)
Internally sides don't bother me, gyno is my biggest fear but one I'm willing to look past for hair results. How is your hair right now? Seen more growth?

 

[bridgeburn]

Thanks for the info buddy, I've been away from home with my gf and haven't been on in a couple of days so this reply is late. What exactly is ethnyl estrogen?
The estrogel I've purchased is 17b estradiol from ThailandPharmacy and I'm fairly sure its the same you got. (you got that sh*t and estrofem a best seller btw lol)
Internally sides don't bother me, gyno is my biggest fear but one I'm willing to look past for hair results. How is your hair right now? Seen more growth?

17b E is the same thing that young females produce. "bio-identical" or "natural" Estrogen.
Ethynl E is a type of synthetic estrogen and it's very powerful. its what is used in birth control pills.
you should be happy when you feel the gyno lumps forming, that's a good sign your about to see regrowth no pain no gain!
my hair is looking good, seems to be getting a tiny bit better everyday.

 

[DHTpolice]

17b E is the same thing that young females produce. "bio-identical" or "natural" Estrogen.
Ethynl E is a type of synthetic estrogen and it's very powerful. its what is used in birth control pills.
you should be happy when you feel the gyno lumps forming, that's a good sign your about to see regrowth no pain no gain!
my hair is looking good, seems to be getting a tiny bit better everyday.

Yes, bridgey is right, lol.
When gyno and sexual sides became worse (estrogen increased), hairline and temples started filling within a week. Finasteride was too weak for that purpose, and I stopped it.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

17b E is the same thing that young females produce. "bio-identical" or "natural" Estrogen.
Ethynl E is a type of synthetic estrogen and it's very powerful. its what is used in birth control pills.
you should be happy when you feel the gyno lumps forming, that's a good sign your about to see regrowth no pain no gain!
my hair is looking good, seems to be getting a tiny bit better everyday.

The breast tenderness will make that saying quite literal haha. Glad to hear things are improving! I'm still shedding right now which sucks but im sure I will get it under control in the not too distant future!
@DHTpolice you don't take finasteride or dutasteride? Are you still on cypro and spironolactone?