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Wow, I feel very sorry for you. Your hairline is soo much receded for your age :( prob won't be better xD

EDIT: Would you like to show how you look with a system?
I am confused. That frontal recession looks a bit pulled back but the overall effect is far from bald, unless that is the system in the pic. Franz is a young person. Why can't HRT restore for them?
 

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I am confused. That frontal recession looks a bit pulled back but the overall effect is far from bald, unless that is the system in the pic. Franz is a young person. Why can't HRT restore for them?
His forehead is bald lol. It looks like half of the head is bald, it's really bad.
 

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fat redistribution and hip widening
Yes, I will have to abandon the idea of HRT and hope for a miracle from Bicalutamide ... Or try low dosages E
In general, increase E, but not decrease T below male values
How long did it take for your hips to get wider?
 

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His forehead is bald lol. It looks like half of the head is bald, it's really bad.
Sorry I shold have explained, you ned to shave the scalp to fit the system, if you look closely you can see the hairline at probably a NW3. The other 2 pics are of the hair system, it's almost undetectable in most lighting.
Yes, I will have to abandon the idea of HRT and hope for a miracle from Bicalutamide ... Or try low dosages E
In general, increase E, but not decrease T below male values
How long did it take for your hips to get wider?
I noticed the wider hips at around 6 months, and I started off at a very high dose of injections. I have noticable boobs, cand need a binder to wear a t shirt
Do you mean like Toppik?
Yeah, I've ordered some stuff called Gofybr to hide the roots if I have a centre parting. There's a noticable difference in density between the system and my natural hair.
 

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Sorry I shold have explained, you ned to shave the scalp to fit the system, if you look closely you can see the hairline at probably a NW3. The other 2 pics are of the hair system, it's almost undetectable in most lighting.

I noticed the wider hips at around 6 months, and I started off at a very high dose of injections. I have noticable boobs, cand need a binder to wear a t shirt

Yeah, I've ordered some stuff called Gofybr to hide the roots if I have a centre parting. There's a noticable difference in density between the system and my natural hair.
Why won't extreme HRT work for you like it did for Bridge and for me, at least so far:)
 

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I try to promote Beethoven's status as the greatest composer and pianist of all time. He was definitely the greatest composer and it isn't close particularly to me.




Worst mistake in the history of Classical music? It was when Beethoven sucked the life out of the ending of the 9th symphony by appending a not-particularly tuneful or interesting tone poem to the end. Always finish on a high note, as they say. In the movies when they use the 9th as background music like in Die Hard, they always stop the tape when the classical part ends. I wish they would edit it out, lol. Ludwig, my hero, what were you thinking?
I love the Beethoven movie and I think it was there were the edited out the tone poem. Otherwise, ten minutes spoken German:


 

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Why won't extreme HRT work for you like it did for Bridge and for me, at least so far:)
I wish I knew, my hair has improved somewhat just not to the extent that I'd be happy with. At one point things were going well, around 8 months ago. My skin looked great, and people said I looked 16, my sex dive was non existent (which was very relieving) but I kept changing my regimen, like my E2 dosage, bica dosage, I tried cyproterone acetate (hated it), Zoladex, spironolactone, enzalutamide, dutasteride, finasteride, progesterone, medroxyprogesterone, oral minoxidil, various supplements.
If I have any takeaway from this, if you find a regimen that works just stick to it.
I love the Beethoven movie and I think it was there were the edited out the tone poem. Otherwise, ten minutes spoken German:


From what I understand, he was a bit of a character. He would slam the keyboard on his students hands when they made a mistake, people said he would mutter to himself when waking in the street. The death of his beloved mother deeply affected him, and then there's the syphillis. I guess it all built his character and made his later compositions unique.
 

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I don’t know what to do if Bicalutamide doesn’t help. I'm not ready to live with hip extension, fat redistribution on HRT, etc. Oh sh*t...
 

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I wish I knew, my hair has improved somewhat just not to the extent that I'd be happy with. At one point things were going well, around 8 months ago. My skin looked great, and people said I looked 16, my sex dive was non existent (which was very relieving) but I kept changing my regimen, like my E2 dosage, bica dosage, I tried cyproterone acetate (hated it), Zoladex, spironolactone, enzalutamide, dutasteride, finasteride, progesterone, medroxyprogesterone, oral minoxidil, various supplements.
If I have any takeaway from this, if you find a regimen that works just stick to it.

From what I understand, he was a bit of a character. He would slam the keyboard on his students hands when they made a mistake, people said he would mutter to himself when waking in the street. The death of his beloved mother deeply affected him, and then there's the syphillis. I guess it all built his character and made his later compositions unique.
He apparently led to improvements in piano string construction as he was constantly breaking them with fits with how I view him in my head. We also have/had a cartoon character who always played Beethoven on a toy piano but it sounded like it was a real piano. I remember my father was impressed when I was seven years old or so, when the 5th of Beethoven came on and I identified it by hearing. I was like, they play it on Peanuts all of the time. Learning can take place anytime but Asterix has never been popular here. Americans don't get it at all and our Latin is rusty from catechism.
 

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I don’t know what to do if Bicalutamide doesn’t help. I'm not ready to live with hip extension, fat redistribution on HRT, etc. Oh sh*t...
Again. Half of MtF's don't get much of any of that. I am sort of known in the community for my big D cups and everyone wants to know my opinion on using HRT to maximize breast size.
 

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I wish I knew, my hair has improved somewhat just not to the extent that I'd be happy with. At one point things were going well, around 8 months ago. My skin looked great, and people said I looked 16, my sex dive was non existent (which was very relieving) but I kept changing my regimen, like my E2 dosage, bica dosage, I tried cyproterone acetate (hated it), Zoladex, spironolactone, enzalutamide, dutasteride, finasteride, progesterone, medroxyprogesterone, oral minoxidil, various supplements.
If I have any takeaway from this, if you find a regimen that works just stick to it.

From what I understand, he was a bit of a character. He would slam the keyboard on his students hands when they made a mistake, people said he would mutter to himself when waking in the street. The death of his beloved mother deeply affected him, and then there's the syphillis. I guess it all built his character and made his later compositions unique.
What about E2 only via a steady state or continuous ingestion method, in particular, patches and injections? I am not sure and it might be a coincidence because I raised levels greatly in general but when I went to the patch was when my hair results really improved. Try two and that will get you probably north of 300 pg/ml which could be an important threshold estrogen level. My theory is that you are trying to undo years of T bombardment and this puts you behind cis-females who can get by on 100 to 200 pg/ml but you are trying to reverse an inertial process so you need much more. XY's with hair seem to have seemless transitions hair-wise with the hair becoming longer in anagen and length with a much nicer texture. I am forgetting the gal's name as I haven't seen her in a while but she comes on and has gorgeous long black hair. Now she had pretty darn good guy hair and it was pretty long but you could really see the quality differences hair-wise in her transition.
 

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I don’t know what to do if Bicalutamide doesn’t help. I'm not ready to live with hip extension, fat redistribution on HRT, etc. Oh sh*t...
There is the hair system route, it's not ideal but if nothing else works...
What about E2 only via a steady state or continuous ingestion method, in particular, patches and injections? I am not sure and it might be a coincidence because I raised levels greatly in general but when I went to the patch was when my hair results really improved. Try two and that will get you probably north of 300 pg/ml which could be an important threshold estrogen level. My theory is that you are trying to undo years of T bombardment and this puts you behind cis-females who can get by on 100 to 200 pg/ml but you are trying to reverse an inertial process so you need much more. XY's with hair seem to have seemless transitions hair-wise with the hair becoming longer in anagen and length with a much nicer texture. I am forgetting the gal's name as I haven't seen her in a while but she comes on and has gorgeous long black hair. Now she had pretty darn good guy hair and it was pretty long but you could really see the quality differences hair-wise in her transition.
Being on higher levels for a long period may downregulate the E2 receptors, which is why estrogen implants aren't geat. They produce a steady level of estrogen, which is unnatural. The same may be said for being on consistently high levels, from injections and waiting for the end of the half life from estradiol valerate before injecting may be better.
Edit: I think I know the girl you mean, she was flawless even from starting HRT at 30+
 

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There is the hair system route, it's not ideal but if nothing else works...

Being on higher levels for a long period may downregulate the E2 receptors, which is why estrogen implants aren't geat. They produce a steady level of estrogen, which is unnatural. The same may be said for being on consistently high levels, from injections and waiting for the end of the half life from estradiol valerate before injecting may be better.
Do AA's down-regulate the E2 receptors? If not then that might be a reason for AA therapy. I mean, I think "down-regulation" is usually an excuse as to why people don't want to use finasteride or I guess HRT. It doesn't seem to be a factor in Bridge's hair miracle and he was pushing very high E2 levels. Plus, again, like I frequently say about Premarin and ethinyl estradiol, we don't have to use them for life or maintain extremely high E2 levels for life, only until hair is restore and then titrating down to the axis-maintaining levels should maintain hair. I think an extended period of elevated E2 periods and as we saw with Bridge and my time period is similar, two years is probably what it takes at least. This July will be when I had my spironolactone shed which ended in September maybe so I am at 18 months or so in terms of recovery and six more months ought to do it. The hair also has to change in texture as it loses any "mullet" elements and I am really seeing this currently. Also, HRT was already working but adding oral minoxidil seemed to really accelerate things, if not kick-start them. You might add oral min to help get things off the ground so that HRT can finish healing the follicles and restoring your hair.

If this is doable, then why would it only work for some? Hair genes? Maybe. My parents both have great hair in their 80's so maybe my hair loss was due to just some marginal factors that HRT had to correct.
 

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If Bicalutamide does not stop baldness, then 100 pg / mg will only reduce T to the average male value, it is far from a fact that this will help
100 pg/ml can in some cases take T to castration level as a monotherapy! It's not an analog thing where a high T needs higher E to suppress as it works via a feedback mechanism, the important thing is how your specific body reacts to an increased estrogen level.

Use whatever you want but make sure you test levels regularly.
 

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100 pg/ml can in some cases take T to castration level as a monotherapy! It's not an analog thing where a high T needs higher E to suppress as it works via a feedback mechanism, the important thing is how your specific body reacts to an increased estrogen level.

Use whatever you want but make sure you test levels regularly.
I am not sure though how much T levels mean in the absence of a healthy amount of E2, not to mention, many of us feel much better at 300 pg/ml than at the lower levels. Often sexual interest goes up with E2 levels. I still think that people with slick bald areas probably need high estrogen levels to undo the inertial DHT hair loss but of course, we have no studies except one that indicates that "levels must be hit" and she might have been around 150pg/ml so who knows. The study's authors felt that hitting targets for both T and E mattered unlike say for breast growth where T levels can still be substantial without hindering breast development says the gal with the big ones who never hit targets for years until last June when she began to adopt the methods of Mr. Bridgeburn including both oral min and very high E2 levels. Anyway, like FL said, it's working great for me so I am not stopping until full restoration and then I will titrate down some to around 300 pg/ml. I spoke to my PA about wanting to go up to 300 pg/ml from 100 pg/ml. I should get my test results today or tomorrow. I had to drastically lower them or she was going to cut me off from my Climara's and as we said, if an ingestion method is working, stay with it.
 

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I thought that I was more likely to survive the redistribution of fat than baldness. I just sat down and thought, "Ok, you're up to your ears in sh*t. Choose between two evils. Baldness, or feminization and hip enlargement?" I thought and realized that body dysmorphophobia is not as strong as face dysmorphophobia. If the fat is not deposited much, maybe it will not be noticeable? Will my jeans fit me?
 

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I don’t know what to do if Bicalutamide doesn’t help. I'm not ready to live with hip extension, fat redistribution on HRT, etc. Oh sh*t...
You are like me when I started off with topical estradiol in 2013. I was so sure it was going to work and it was only in 2020 that the tide turned. I mean you could do a whole year like Noah and then cycle off. Marky has excellent "male" hair and he is cycling.
 
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