Follica and Dr. Cotsarelis Interview

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I am a man of abstraction, and I can't stand to see all these fragmentation everywhere, this is why I am going to create a new thread for each presentation/interview for members to discuss. This is the first one we have and will be adding some for Dr. Lauster's team.

Short Interview between Desmond and Dr. Cotsarelis:

1) Follica's phase 2 trial completed recently with promising results. But they have insufficient funds to continue with further trials. So at this point everything has been put on hold.


2) When I asked him if the rumours were true that the company that conducted the trials on behalf of Follica was found to falsify data and is being sued. He laughed and denied any such matters. So the data they collected is definitely valid I suppose.


3) I brought up the crowdfunding idea particularly with regards to Follica and he said the amount necessary is quite large. So I insisted on an actual amount and here's what he said: "US $2 million would bring out a product that would be more effective than Minoxidil and Propecia but would not give a bald person a full head of hair. US $20 million will provide the kind of funding necessary to give someone who is already bald a full head of hair but it will take more years to accomplish".


4) Also he did say that a full blown cure using Follica's method for an already bald person is still many years away.


5) Regarding the PGD2 approach and the current blockers that are in trials, i mentioned how they are failing to show much benefit in Asthma and trials are being stopped one at a time he seemed very optimistic and believed that is a great thing for hair because companies in general try to keep the number of trials to the minimum. The more trials you do the greater the chances for an adverse effect to be found. He believes that is the best thing that could have happened and may finally give these companies enough willpower to start a trial in hair regeneration.


6) And finally I brought up fgf9 and its potentials. He believes fgf9 is still a very new discovery with many years of preclinical research ahead of it, when I asked for an estimated date he said at least 10 years. He then went on to mention that just to go from Rogaine liquid to Rogaine foam it took the company over 8 years of studies and data collection before they were allowed to sell it and Minoxidil has been on the market for many years. Now imagine if we are trying to bring out a completely new agent. The timeframes are quite long indeed.

Here is the video that Desmond has presented:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN5H01HGaVI
Wounding Theory with and Practice(updated):
[video=youtube;m84cOOc8-T0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m84cOOc8-T0[/video]

Note: It seems that we can only embed 1 video per post, hmm annoying.
 

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Are you living in Hollywood? Right? The land of goods scripts....
BTW it is interesting your thoughts
 

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Are you living in Hollywood? Right? The land of goods scripts....
BTW it is interesting your thoughts
Live 10 mins from Hollywood, but don't think that city is full of roses. It has it low parts too, not all movie scripts here. Very very superficial city, also in LA fashion district.
 

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Are you living in Hollywood? Right? The land of goods scripts....
BTW it is interesting your thoughts

This isn't from hollywood and those aren't thoughts. Thats Desmond's interview with Dr. Cotsarelis.
 

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Can't say I'm surprised, some of the forum wannabe scientists even gave me negs for stating that nothing would come from Follica using the recent findings, much less a full blown cure, biology and chemistry is much harder than just inhibiting something to gain other even when in vivo studies show promising results. If Cosmo fails to bring CB to the market now that I would worry since then we're decades away from a reasonable treatment beyond finasteride+minoxidil.

Follica's results based on the wording are probably on par with Histogen results, I would still bet more on Histogen (with an AA).
 

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Can't say I'm surprised, some of the forum wannabe scientists even gave me negs for stating that nothing would come from Follica using the recent findings, much less a full blown cure, biology and chemistry is much harder than just inhibiting something to gain other even when in vivo studies show promising results. If Cosmo fails to bring CB to the market now that I would worry since then we're decades away from a reasonable treatment beyond finasteride+minoxidil.

Follica's results based on the wording are probably on par with Histogen results, I would still bet more on Histogen (with an AA).

Follica created NEW follicles though. Histogen revives miniaturized ones. Wouldn't you rather have both treatments..... AND CB?
 

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Kudos to Hellouser and Python for making this happen! This information is very valuable and although this is not particularly good news, it provides some sort of references to the actual time frame for these so called cures. If anything, this information bolsters the importance of the treatments we currently have and encourages those who are avoiding them for the "cure" to save themselves the grief and begin the big 3 ASAP. It seems like Cosmo's CB is the only product that has a steady pace and is showing some promise.

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and kudos to Desmond as well, for making the trip on behalf of the hairloss community
 

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Follica created NEW follicles though. Histogen revives miniaturized ones. Wouldn't you rather have both treatments..... AND CB?

Depends what type of follicles created, they were probably colorless and thin, there must be a reason they never shown any photos. For me I just need CB and an hair transplant to patch my bald spot in the midscalp and I can forget about hair loss for a few decades until we get the full cure. Still we don't know how well CB works in the vehicle they're trialing with.
 

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Kudos to Hellouser and Python for making this happen! This information is very valuable and although this is not particularly good news, it provides some sort of references to the actual time frame for these so called cures. If anything, this information bolsters the importance of the treatments we currently have and encourages those who are avoiding them for the "cure" to save themselves the grief and begin the big 3 ASAP. It seems like Cosmo's CB is the only product that has a steady pace and is showing some promise.

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and kudos to Desmond as well, for making the trip on behalf of the hairloss community

I agree, people at least now know that nothing new is coming for at least 5 more years. So we are just going to have to live our lifes as best we can, easier said than done. Unless some hidden gem has been developing under our noses, which is very unlikely due to member's active state of looking for new products and the fact that they would need trials. I guess the one thing that can happen is if we somehow discover that an existing pill or chemical can do significant things to regrow hair.
 

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I agree, people at least now know that nothing new is coming for at least 5 more years.

Not exactly;

Histogen and Follica both have only 1 phase trial remaining. CB is due in about 2017/2018 (perhaps earlier if they spill the beans about the vehicle). Replicel won't be finished Phase II for another 3 years. It's likely we'll have treatments in within 5 years, but not likely a cure... unless of course, a doctor in a jurisdiction that isnt hobbled by the FDA figures out the protocol for follicle creation and opens up a legit clinic in India or elsewhere where stem cell law treatments are legal.
 

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I think the funding thing may be a major hurdle for Follica. Adderans was showing a lot of promise and was in phase II from what I recall, but the funding issue they had pretty much shut them down indefinitely. I thought this quote from Cotsarellis was sort of strange: "US $2 million would bring out a product that would be more effective than Minoxidil and Propecia but would not give a bald person a full head of hair. US $20 million will provide the kind of funding necessary to give someone who is already bald a full head of hair but it will take more years to accomplish". I am wondering how he came up with these figures, and how he knows that 20 million is absolutely necessary to approach a cure. It just seems like he is fishing for more money and follica doesn't have a clear direction. I really wish they would provide more information about their results, the technology of the company(assuming it is patented), etc..

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There is so much ambiguity, what incentive do investors have to provide the company money when their dealings are so secretive?
 
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First, Thank you 'hellouser' and others for your information and aggregating it here. Thank you, Python.

I am kinda disappointed that due to lack of funding, research is stalled for Follica.
 

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Damn, I really thought Follica was closer and that their current method would blow minoxidil out of the water (as in give a full head of hair after repeated sessions). Looks like Histogen is back in front in this race, since I read they will be resuming phase 2b this year (and at least we know their method will give solid results).

While it's cool a lot of companies are making progress on cell based therapies to deliver an actual true blue cure, we're talking ten years minimum here. I don't need a full cure, I just need a solid growth stimulant now. I just have some slight recession and some thinning at the front hairline. I'm pretty sure Histogen as it is now could reverse the damage, I just wish I could get it.

Bimatoprost is another short term possibility, but it seems like it will just be a more powerful minoxidil. Something you have to rub on your head daily and the moment you stop, bam, hair falls out again.

There is also this new method of injecting adipose cells into scalp that is apparently already on the market in S. Korea. The paper I saw showed really, really good results. Wonder if that treatment will ever make it here.
 

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I wouldn't get carried away by Dr. Cots number, that was probably just some amount he made up on the spot, americans bs each other like it's nothing, it's just part of their culture.
 

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I wouldn't get carried away by Dr. Cots number, that was probably just some amount he made up on the spot, americans bs each other like it's nothing, it's just part of their culture.

Lol unfortunately that does seem to be the way it goes here. We have a saying, "it ain't illegal if you don't get caught". To me it makes absolutely no sense that a biotech can't get $2 million dollars, it is just crazy on the face of it. The only explanation there would be for a lack of funds would be if the results sucked big time.

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One thing we can consider is that once Lausters work is completely ready and a substance is ready to test to block androgens, we can use both technologies to tests for efficacy. After that even if we do need clinical trials on human, I personally would not care, just tell Kane to mass produce it and bam, we got ourselves and effective treatment against hairloss. This will not bring back hair for the sufferers but at least prevent future generations from having to go through this hell.
 

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After that even if we do need clinical trials on human, I personally would not care, just tell Kane to mass produce it and bam, we got ourselves and effective treatment against hairloss. This will not bring back hair for the sufferers but at least prevent future generations from having to go through this hell.

I wouldn't bet on that. We got CB and so far hasn't done crap for anyone.
 

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So is that it? Nothing new on the deadly horizon?

He traveled all the way to the Emerald City to find answers from the Oracle and did not like what the little man behind the green curtain had to say. What a pitty.
 

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So is that it? Nothing new on the deadly horizon?

He traveled all the way to the Emerald City to find answers from the Oracle and did not like what the little man behind the green curtain had to say. What a pitty.

Congress ends tomorrow, and we still have yet to hear about todays presentations. He's also going to report on Dr. Jahoda's findings. You should read the discussions happening over at Bald Truth Talk forum;

http://dft.ba/-desmond-hair-congress-2014
 
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