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Re: f***ed by Finasteride - read it for an informed decision
Yeah, well, I've already softened the tone and explained myself in my later posts, so I don't know why you've gone back to the first one.
There's no need to become offended by what I've said. I'm not an expert on this subject or the human body and I don't claim to be. I don't link to scientific reports and then purport to interpret them like I've seen anti-propecia people do on here. And as I clarified in one of my later posts that I wrote after the one you quoted, I haven't concluded that permanent side effects are not real, and I'm not going to solely based on people's hysterical claims on the internet about it (I'm not talking about you), just like I don't assume that the stuff about rogaine causing wrinkles is true or in any way likely to happy to me based on people's internet claims. And I'm not saying that everyone who says these things are happening are lying or imagining their symptoms, I'm just saying I'm not going to believe that there's a causal link with propecia (and no other cause) until a lot more actual research is done.
It's too easy to call a source biased just because they have an opinion and it doesn't match your own. If they're pro-propecia, that's probably because the real evidence leads them to that conclusion. There's a lot of crap on the net about hair loss, and it's clear that the bald truth talk and the american hair loss association are two of the most reputable sources of information. One person told a guy who was thinking of taking finasteride to look at propeciahelp.com as "research". Like wtf, that's not proper research. And you've referred to it too. That's not an unbiased or reputable source by a long shot.
But anyway, the survey wasn't linked to prove that side effects aren't real (because a survey can't do that), just to show that permanent side effects, assuming they're real and they're caused by propecia, are incredibly rare. And I think that's important , because you've got people going around saying ridiculous things about the level of risk involved and acting like there's a 50/50 chance of propecia f*****g up the rest of your life (and again, I don't mean you).
I think my point can be summarised by referring the forum rule at the top of the page, which I didn't see until just now: "Please remember that this forum is not an accurate representation of how common side effects are. The minority who do experience them tend to seek out online sources for help. Clinical study data is the only reliable source for this information."
So when some guy posts some random quote from a person allegedly having permanent side effects, take it with a grain of salt and put it in perspective. Especially when the person posting it has 95% of its posts being anti-propecia sentiments. He's clearly got an agenda.
So I'm just some dummy to be ignored, but the people coming along with their incredible, outlandish stories are to be believed without questioning? Yeah, alright. What are you talking about when you say "such thing". Have you actually read this thread or just skimmed it? There's no conclusive proof that propecia causes permanent side effects. Do you even understand the concept of proof? It's a high standard, much freaking higher than a bunch of sh*t from laypeople on the internet. Show me the studies that 'prove' it.
Well, I think that's it from me on this. I'm surprised how much people have bought into this and think that it's a proven fact. I guess if you spend enough time on here and hear enough scary stories about it, it just seems true and like a real risk. Whatever. We'll know exactly what's happening as more research is done.
Yeah, well, I've already softened the tone and explained myself in my later posts, so I don't know why you've gone back to the first one.
There's no need to become offended by what I've said. I'm not an expert on this subject or the human body and I don't claim to be. I don't link to scientific reports and then purport to interpret them like I've seen anti-propecia people do on here. And as I clarified in one of my later posts that I wrote after the one you quoted, I haven't concluded that permanent side effects are not real, and I'm not going to solely based on people's hysterical claims on the internet about it (I'm not talking about you), just like I don't assume that the stuff about rogaine causing wrinkles is true or in any way likely to happy to me based on people's internet claims. And I'm not saying that everyone who says these things are happening are lying or imagining their symptoms, I'm just saying I'm not going to believe that there's a causal link with propecia (and no other cause) until a lot more actual research is done.
It's too easy to call a source biased just because they have an opinion and it doesn't match your own. If they're pro-propecia, that's probably because the real evidence leads them to that conclusion. There's a lot of crap on the net about hair loss, and it's clear that the bald truth talk and the american hair loss association are two of the most reputable sources of information. One person told a guy who was thinking of taking finasteride to look at propeciahelp.com as "research". Like wtf, that's not proper research. And you've referred to it too. That's not an unbiased or reputable source by a long shot.
But anyway, the survey wasn't linked to prove that side effects aren't real (because a survey can't do that), just to show that permanent side effects, assuming they're real and they're caused by propecia, are incredibly rare. And I think that's important , because you've got people going around saying ridiculous things about the level of risk involved and acting like there's a 50/50 chance of propecia f*****g up the rest of your life (and again, I don't mean you).
I think my point can be summarised by referring the forum rule at the top of the page, which I didn't see until just now: "Please remember that this forum is not an accurate representation of how common side effects are. The minority who do experience them tend to seek out online sources for help. Clinical study data is the only reliable source for this information."
So when some guy posts some random quote from a person allegedly having permanent side effects, take it with a grain of salt and put it in perspective. Especially when the person posting it has 95% of its posts being anti-propecia sentiments. He's clearly got an agenda.
barcafan said:
So I'm just some dummy to be ignored, but the people coming along with their incredible, outlandish stories are to be believed without questioning? Yeah, alright. What are you talking about when you say "such thing". Have you actually read this thread or just skimmed it? There's no conclusive proof that propecia causes permanent side effects. Do you even understand the concept of proof? It's a high standard, much freaking higher than a bunch of sh*t from laypeople on the internet. Show me the studies that 'prove' it.
Well, I think that's it from me on this. I'm surprised how much people have bought into this and think that it's a proven fact. I guess if you spend enough time on here and hear enough scary stories about it, it just seems true and like a real risk. Whatever. We'll know exactly what's happening as more research is done.
