Hair Multiplication Update:Histogen!

[malo]

Take Ari, I dont think they will be sold to a big company. They got a big player with bosley behind them, Histogen might be sold but i dont think Ari will

ARI is not backed by Bosley. Both ARI and Bosley are owned by Aderans Holding Co Ltd. They are a huge Japanese company whose main business is making wigs and they are one of the biggest companies in the world doing so right now.
So ask yourself this. Why would a wig manufacture choose to pursue hair multiplication. Gee I can only think of one reason. The Future!
I have no inside knowledge about them but common sense will tell you that they see possibilities in a therapy that would advance their existing interests. I would also think that purchasing Bosley gives them a foot in the door when it comes to a way to sell and administer the procedure if and when it becomes available.

As for large drug companies wanting to buy something like Histogen all you have to do is look up Dr. Marty Sawaya's opinions (a very respected researcher of hair loss) and as she says most drug companies are focused on disease-oriented conditions.
Drugs that are life saving. Let's face it no insurance company is going to cover a procedure like Histogen. I think that if they show continued success there will be a line of outside investors willing to invest.

There is no telling if any of these companies are truly on track. The one thing we do know is that at no other time in the last 20 years have companies been researching hair loss the way they are now.

Fingers Crossed.

 

[Matt Skiba]

To be honest I'm kinda bummed that there's like no new information out there on the progress of the procedure. Ever since I was following intercytex when they were still around it's like I've been addicted to news updates from these companies. I was really super excited when there was a whole batch of updates from aderans and histogen, then shortly afterwards trichoscience's website came back up. It makes sense though, these sort of things definitely don't happen overnight, and I don't really think it's really healthy to be obsessed about the news updates. I'm really starting to think that the best thing to do now is to just try to live my life as best as I can, and cut down on looking for updates on these sites every morning that I get up, it might be more rewarding if I do it once a month when new updates are more likely to happen.

Notice how trichoscience has pretty much taken away the news updates section of their website? I honestly really do have the most hope in this company, and they're not exactly something as new as many of you would think, take this patent document of theirs from 2003:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=IB6bAAAAEBAJ&dq=kevin+mcelwee

They do clearly show you that their procedure is more advanced and effective than histogen or aderans since they use a different type of cell altogether. The fact that they've been working on this for probably almost 10 years now and continue to do so is also reassurance. I think the fact that they didn't put up a website for most of this time, and the fact that they only have a very scant website up now is proof that they really don't want to open their mouths without being absolutely sure that they have something viable.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

I really think that one day not far from this time a cure will be available...today I was standing in front of my pc...and I was looking at my hand...and I've seen a black thick strand of hair ...I was something like what the f***? It looks like normal hair and had appeared here on my hand between other little normal body hair...I am blond and you can barely see the hair on my hand....but this is black and thick! ) So there have to be something out there that can make this thing to turn a little hair into a thick hair strong hair...or just simpli to create new ones...I think the technology is not so far away!

 

[Vox]

If such things happen to you then YOU are the technology. :mrgreen: Histogen should recruit you as a guinea pig. You would offer a HUGE service to all of us throwing fertilizers on our bare heads to no avail. unk:

 

[andrei_eremenko]

if I would have a good camera I will would have show you...

 

[Vox]

if I would have a good camera I will would have show you...

No need to show anything, I was just joking. I am aware that humans pack some tremendous potential which is mostly hidden and we have to learn how to use it.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

that's right

 

[andrei_eremenko]

Hy guys ! I just read some articles released by aderans and it seems that you don;t have to wait for them and to make to more hope...they are not planning to make a norwood 7 to become a norwood 1...they have said that this is not their purpose...their goal is to add some density at the hair transplantation that are made in bosley clinics...so don't count on them...

but if histogen will work they will slap their face because histogen is going toe revitalize the follicles and create new ones...even they had problems they seem to respect their time line!

 

[malo]

Hy guys ! I just read some articles released by aderans and it seems that you don;t have to wait for them and to make to more hope...they are not planning to make a norwood 7 to become a norwood 1...they have said that this is not their purpose...their goal is to add some density at the hair transplantation that are made in bosley clinics...so don't count on them...

but if histogen will work they will slap their face because histogen is going toe revitalize the follicles and create new ones...even they had problems they seem to respect their time line!

Can you provide a link to the article?

 

[somone uk]

Hy guys ! I just read some articles released by aderans and it seems that you don;t have to wait for them and to make to more hope...they are not planning to make a norwood 7 to become a norwood 1...they have said that this is not their purpose...their goal is to add some density at the hair transplantation that are made in bosley clinics...so don't count on them...

hmmm sounds like the kind of press release that is done by a companey that doesn't believe in their own product
eg if the hm doesn't work the hair transplant will cover up it's failure
i couldnt' realistically imagine a nw7 to nw1 in 1 session but i could imagine people going every 2 years or so to grow back what they lost
i can see the technology being like a propecia for the front

but if they are only going to supply ARI with bosley hair transplants (which are known for being terrible) then we will have to call an organised boycott on bosley hair transplant's and to advise people against it (ok we do that anyway ) and call for a boycott adreans wigs though would be ineffective if the message doesn't make it to japan, force them to sell the rights of the technology to competent people like the nhi

 

[andrei_eremenko]

yea...maybe you take a look here!

http://www.c-hotline.net/?module=Viewer ... ee08a233d3

 

[malo]

Hy guys ! I just read some articles released by aderans and it seems that you don;t have to wait for them and to make to more hope...they are not planning to make a norwood 7 to become a norwood 1...they have said that this is not their purpose...their goal is to add some density at the hair transplantation that are made in bosley clinics...so don't count on them...

but if histogen will work they will slap their face because histogen is going toe revitalize the follicles and create new ones...even they had problems they seem to respect their time line!

Andrei_eremenko,
I listened to the entire presentation from the link you posted.

They did not say the goal is to add density to hair transplants from Bosley clinics.
Ken Washenik did say it could add additional hair to his crown area.

He said they are working on three different versions of the formula. To find the best one.

Once that is completed they will offer it at Bosley
(there was nothing said about having to get a transplant from Bosley.) They further stated that after a time it would be offered by doctors not associated with Bosley or Aderans.

They also said that in their trials the results have to be as good as or better then current treatments (minoxidil and finesteride)

I agree that probably no product will grow the hair we had when we were sixteen.
I do think that if it comes to market it could be a therapy that is a good improvement over minoxidil and finesteride.

Hope this helps.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Boondock]

I agree with Dudemon.

I think people neglect the Bosley connection too easily. If Saddam Hussein were developing a cancer cure would you send your loved ones over for treatment?

 

[Vox]

I think people neglect the Bosley connection too easily.

Forgive my ignorance but what's wrong with Bosley?

 

[malo]

We all know that Bosley has a very poor reputation. I have read posts on other forums from people who were actually (?) satisfied with their Bosley procedures. Still it would never be my choice to use them for a surgery ever.
If you look at the part of the video with Dr. Ken Washenick he says that it would be like the way Allergen distributed Botox to practitioners. So I think within a short time you would see reputable doctors offering it.
But think about it if (and that's still a big IF) they got it right and it were to be reasonably successful, say if it added density to thinning areas it could be a great addition to existing therapies.
I think that the hair restoration community would embrace it if it worked, and not care who developed it or where it was offered.
Whenever I read other doctors talking about Aderans (Rassman, Bernstein, etc) they never mention Bosley they speak as if Aderans is a separate entity. So I think the best thing is to look at the procedure not just the Bosley.

Like I say fingers Crossed.

 

[malo]

I agree the horror stories about Bosley are endless but if the procedure worked it would probably be less invasive than a transplant. (No cutting). if it received FDA approval for safety I think a lot people would try it.
Worst case being it does nothing.
I also think Aderans Japan is dictating the policy for Bosley and I hope that they would require the process to be effective before releasing it. But that could just be wishful thinking on my part.
Who Knows?

 

[Boondock]

I think people neglect the Bosley connection too easily.

Forgive my ignorance but what's wrong with Bosley?

They have a reputation as being one of the greatest butchers in the industry.

 

[bigentries]

Talking about ARI. Has anyone read that they are now using Rogaine on their Phase II trials?.
There goes another HM company

 

[somone uk]

Talking about ARI. Has anyone read that they are now using Rogaine on their Phase II trials?.
There goes another HM company

[citation needed]

 

[bigentries]

Talking about ARI. Has anyone read that they are now using Rogaine on their Phase II trials?.
There goes another HM company

[citation needed]

I don't know if I can link to other sites, let's just say it's a hot topic in a "hair site" right now.
Apparently it's real, since many have tried to get into the trials and they are informed they need to use rogaine before and during the trial.