Hairloss On Estrogen Blocker With Finasteride!

[DHTcel]

Actually white men are among the most hairy (bodywise) humans out there. I'm sorry man but this statement of your is really not based in reality. The number of "ethnic" women dating white men is not that much greater (if at all) than white women dating "ethnic" men. The vast majority of women that I've been dating preferred the more masculine features like strong(er) face lines/features, muscular bodies (not the gym pumped type but rather the naturally developed muscles).

thats not true my sisters both say they only date white men and my mom always makes jokes about black people and she always says white people are angels. Middle Eastern people especially have way more body hair bro I don't know which white guys you are talking about.

 

[Manochoice]

thats not true my sisters both say they only date white men and my mom always makes jokes about black people and she always says white people are angels. Middle Eastern people especially have way more body hair bro I don't know which white guys you are talking about.

Middle eastern guys, yes. Hairy. White men angels? Asian men have less body hair than white men; most african men have less body hair than white men. White men (maybe together with middle eastern men) have the least esthetic body hair.

 

[tysono]

What anti estrogen are we talking about using here?

 

[Chris Evan]

gyno is caused by an imbalance of androgens to estrogens

So what do you suggest me to do to fix this?

 

[Chris Evan]

look at how many ethnic women date white men. white men are less masculine(less body hair, less beards, etc) that is why ethnic women like them better.

Also white men doesn't mean they are feminine that's completely wrong, women like what you call them feminine boys like Justin bieber, He's not feminine boy he's pretty boy like clear skin beautiful hair all of this stuff they don't actually like feminine boys they like pretty boys and that's different

 

[DHTcel]

So what do you suggest me to do to fix this?

u should save up for full gland removal surgery of male breast tissue. thats what I'm doing. in the long term you will save money as the gyno will never come back and u won't have to use more antiestrogens that can cause hair loss.

 

[DHTcel]

I've had side effects on finastride related to estrogen like kind of feminine skin on my face, signs of gyno, and a bit of lower libdo then I've stopped

Now I'm looking for estrogen inhibitor but one of it's side effects is hairloss because it raises test then it raise dht.

My question Is finasteride going to work while on estrogen inhibitor? Does finasteride block 70% no matter how much I have of it?
Is there's anyone have succeed with estrogen blocker and finasteride together to fight hairloss?

you have to also remember testosterone can cause hair loss since it is also an androgen

 

[DHTcel]

You lost me at the "women like what you call them feminine boys like Justin bieber, He's not feminine boy he's pretty boy....." ?!

Also, are you talking about "women" or 14 year olds ?

pretty boy=feminine Imo, also wtf is a pretty boy

 

[Manochoice]

Wtf are we talking about pretty boys? )

 

[Chris Evan]

You lost me at the "women like what you call them feminine boys like Justin bieber, He's not feminine boy he's pretty boy....." ?!

Also, are you talking about "women" or 14 year olds ?

he who he said women first actually not me,I was just making a point about what he calls them feminine boys only
whatever this post or this forum is not related to looks so move on guys from talking about looks please?!

 

[Chris Evan]

u should save up for full gland removal surgery of male breast tissue. thats what I'm doing. in the long term you will save money as the gyno will never come back and u won't have to use more antiestrogens that can cause hair loss.

If you did the surgery the gyno will come back if you you started using finasteride again

 

[Alex Contee]

Indeed this is what seems to be the reality. I wonder if there's any way to find out how sensitive you are to the influence or various hormones.

I’m not aware of any studies that show this or any hair loss researchers who believe this. I maintained on finasteride for years and have never had my estrogen raised significantly by finasteride or dutasteride.

As far as what women are attracted to, sure some younger women like the feminized look. However, if your estrogen is high, the second your metabolism decreases you are going to gain a ton or weight. You will also probably get gyno as your test lowers with age. Women DO NOT like obese guys or gyno.

 

[Alex Contee]

Yesterday i saw a study which says that men who are on antiandrogen treatments have a 75% more chance in developing gyno... This "you could get it without any pills" is not the same thing with taking a drug that alters your hormone panel daily, a pill that tries to maintain it in a way, but nobody knows exactly how each individual could react...

"Gynecomastia occurs in up to 75 percent of men who take drugs called antiandrogens to treat prostate cancer. While these men may not be able to stop or substitute their prostate cancer treatment, they may be able to take steps to prevent gynecomastia."

Source : https://www.uptodate.com/contents/gynecomastia-breast-enlargement-in-men-beyond-the-basics

I saw people crash after 7 years of Propecia, without a notice, and they did not have nothing until then... You could blame it on the normal process of aging or even say that they were unlucky and maybe would have crashed even without Finasteride, but that does not mean it's true also....

Your experiences, are not everybody's and vice-versa...

My only thought is that you didn’t read the thread and thus had no context when you read my post.

I completely agree with everything you wrote. Another member said that the primary reason finasteride works for male pattern baldness is because it raises estrogen. The scientific community agrees that finasteride can mediate male pattern baldness because it greatly inhibits 5ar2.

Edit - perhaps one of the stories you read about people crashing after 7 years on finasteride....was my post describing how I crashed after 7 years of finasteride. My estrogen didn’t skyrocket although it definitely happens regularly to people. That still doesn’t mean finasterides method of action for male pattern baldness is raising estrogen.

 

[Alex Contee]

I was referring mostly about the difference between "normal" induced gyno and the one that could come from drug usage, mostly antiandrogens...
It was not you, i saw it on reddit and it's not only one.. I have read a comment from you on another post in which you say that a doctor told you that you almost have pre diabetes or something like that, all of a sudden. but from dutasteride as i recall...
Fucked up, this drugs are just fucked up, in every way you take it or see it, who knows maybe the years on finasteride before dutasteride contributed to that, not only dutasteride, i don't really think you can know for sure...

I have no doubt finasteride caused the issues as well. However, my dr was convinced that it was mostly the dutasteride and the 5ar1 science backs him up pretty well.

I hate finasteride and dutasteride. I think they are an incredibly stupid way of fighting male pattern baldness. However, I will always recommend them before non-FDA approved treatments or medications people take to transition.

 

[Manochoice]

My only thought is that you didn’t read the thread and thus had no context when you read my post.

I completely agree with everything you wrote. Another member said that the primary reason finasteride works for male pattern baldness is because it raises estrogen. The scientific community agrees that finasteride can mediate male pattern baldness because it greatly inhibits 5ar2.

Edit - perhaps one of the stories you read about people crashing after 7 years on finasteride....was my post describing how I crashed after 7 years of finasteride. My estrogen didn’t skyrocket although it definitely happens regularly to people. That still doesn’t mean finasterides method of action for male pattern baldness is raising estrogen.

No, it's not its mechanism. My understanding is that this is a side of less DHT -> more Test -> more estradiol (simplified).

 

[Manochoice]

I have no doubt finasteride caused the issues as well. However, my dr was convinced that it was mostly the dutasteride and the 5ar1 science backs him up pretty well.

I hate finasteride and dutasteride. I think they are an incredibly stupid way of fighting male pattern baldness. However, I will always recommend them before non-FDA approved treatments or medications people take to transition.

You hate it but you take it?

 

[Alex Contee]

You hate it but you take it?

I, and thousand of others take plenty of medications that we hate. I took an anti depressant for years that made me feel like a zombie. I hated it. But I made the calculation that I was better off taking it.

 

[Ikarus]

I’m not aware of any studies that show this or any hair loss researchers who believe this. I maintained on finasteride for years and have never had my estrogen raised significantly by finasteride or dutasteride.

As far as what women are attracted to, sure some younger women like the feminized look. However, if your estrogen is high, the second your metabolism decreases you are going to gain a ton or weight. You will also probably get gyno as your test lowers with age. Women DO NOT like obese guys or gyno.

Women might like gynecomastia if they're a lesbian... Or bisexual... In my opinion, naturally higher estrogen whilst on finasteride/dutasteride will lead to further success when it comes to results. It depends on how sensitive you are to the effects of estrogen, because even some transgender people aren't sensitive to the effects of estrogen and find it hard to get breast growth or feminisation.

 

[Manochoice]

I think this is why there's so much trolling, bashing and discord among us here: while all of us here have one common issue - hair loss - each of us has different expectations and willingness to risk. There's no doubt that we would all like to get our hair back or prevent its loss. But some of us are willing to go at great lengths to achieve this and are willing to get a little gyno, a little less libido, maybe softer erections etc. while others don't. I would very much like to have my hair back - it's been a main feature of my appearance for my entire life - but I absolutely have zero desire to risk developing gyno, ED, loss of libido or wreck my already high lipids level and who knows what else. I really am glad for people who are on Fina, have good result and no sides (or sides that they are fine with) and absolutely feel for those who suffer from sides. I'm annoyed by all the bashing and trashing (on both sides) that people resort to.

 

[Moosey]

"Now I'm looking for estrogen inhibitor but one of it's side effects is hairloss because it raises test then it raise dht."
No, thats not the reason it causes hairloss. It causes hairloss because estrogen is extremely important for hair. A estrogen blocker is going to kill your hair faster than steroids would