Happier than ever

[Ulti]

Fred you suck. You've had your hair transplant the games over for you. There's no point for your negative *** to be on here anymore. STFU and go try to enjoy life you miserable prick.

Put your time and energy to making money. I think you have too much tunnel vision on women.

 

[F2005]

I really wonder what Norwood the original poster of this thread is? If you're like an NW2, no one is really going to notice your hair loss and its not going to really affect your dating prospects or outer looks. That is why it seems like all of the posters who complain about all the negativity on the forum, call Fred a "Debbie Downer" (what a stupid term), or say that hair loss does not really matter, have very little hair loss themselves. They do not see the utter devastation that hair loss can cause, because the degree of their hair loss is not to a point where it drastically affects their lives. I want an NW6 to come on here and preach of the same stuff that the minimal Norwoods are preaching, but it just will not happen.

 

[Ulti]

No not women..fu*k women.
I mean Make money to buy financial freedom. So you don't have to get up and go to work every weekday. It just seems like a more healthy hobby to pursue instead of be negative on here.
I have not made it, I have two failed businesses and I'm poor with a gf too. But it's still fun to try to shoot for the stars. 9 to 5 job is just as worse as hairloss.

 

[hellouser]

Hellouser, you don't fit our democratic world very well do you? Perhaps you too have a subscription for his suicidal group.

No, I just don't live a life with blinders on. There's no denying that bald men are socially gimped.

 

[F2005]

We had one recently. But then he said he was 6'3, had a great body, dark skin, handsome and had a great head shape.

Obviously there are exceptions to every rule. Most guys don't have all these advantages to compensate for this disease.

Unfortunately this guy is probably the exception to the rule. Virtually every guy on here who posts the "it's only hair, breh" and "hair loss only affects you if you let it" is almost always a very low Norwood. A NW2 still has a ton of hair on their head and most women won't view them as bald. An NW6, now that is a COMPLETELY different story.

 

[F2005]

Oh dear, are you on anti-depressants? Nothing stops you from achieving anything in life, whether ur bald or not, the opportunities are there and its up to you whether you take them or not, sometimes life gets a bit like a lottery, if you dont play you don't win, the barriers you put in your life are your blinders and if you feel like you have social barriers, then you live a life with blinders on, not me.

Lemme guess. An NW2 with very little vertex thinning?

 

[shookwun]

Hi,

I used to peruse these forums often.. everyday I'd scrutinise my head of hair in the mirror and my heart would sink. It was killing me. You all know the feeling. It was an obsession and I was depressed. I spent probably over two thousand dollars on minoxidil, finasteride, spironolactone, etc etc.. over years.. they worked to some extent definitely, but they weren't stopping my problem, only delaying it. Making me grasp onto every pathetic hair that I had left. In the end I quite all hairloss meds, because even though they were helping me keep some of my hair, they were also making me care about my hair more than was healthy. Plus I think the finasteride was affecting my mental health badly.

I started dating a lot about two years ago (thanks Tinder). I went through many ups and downs but ultimately found an amazing girlfriend. My hair was pretty bad by the time we first met, as I had been off meds for about 2 months.. but she also happened to be the hottest girl I've ever dated... I didnt even think I was going to get a second date (a reflection of my own image problems). But, with the confidence I'd gained over the last years of dating, I was able to push through all that. She saw me for who I was, and I suprised to hear her tell me how attracted she was to me. Now she is my girlfriend who loves me very much and I know she doesn't care what happens to my hair. I wear it buzzed short now and it actually looks better than I expected. Of course I'd love a full head of hair, and I'm sure she would prefer that too, but life is full of compromises and in the scheme of things the hair on your head is so insigificant. Not caring is like a weight lifted off my shoulders..and its a free solution. I'm more confident and productive in my life and focus on things I want to, like work and being a good boyfriend. I look back on my days obsessing over hair as a dark time in my past and ashamed of who I was. It's hard to embrace it, but your mind, soul and wallet will be better off for it.

Anyway, that's my success story and I hope it can be inspirational to others in their hairloss journey.

Peace

Don't mean to reign on your parade, but this halo effect of having a girlfriend, feeling carefree is only temporary. Despite the liberating feel, once you break up which will inevitably happen. All that time lost because when you fealt invincible while with your significant other will start to come back.

It's not until you loose something do you start embarking, and wishing you wern't content but smart enough to fight through with a plan of attack.



Take my advice for what it's worth but, it's going to hurt when you break up, and becoming progressively balder, and balder. Which again will happen, as male pattern baldness is progressive, and the inevitable will concur unless medication is used.

 

[Norwood One]

Fred, they believe it because media keeps drilling it in our heads from the time we were born. You have to be awakened to the reality to figure out what's fact and what's fiction. It causes a lot of pain to admit that one's worldview and everything they were ever told was a lie.

So people regress, deny, and fight tooth and nail, even if they know deep down something seems wrong or off about what they were taught their entire lives.

 

[F2005]

What that means is for you to stop making up excuses. You're talking about hair, you are a man, not a woman, and let's be realistic here, we are talking about social skills towards women, you can still win girls over with personality, I mentioned from day 1 girls get attracted to personality for long term relationships, ask your gf she will tell you the same, if you want the looks, hit the gym but there's loads of girls who hate muscles, so you will never please everyone anyway! Stop making up excuses.

Yeh chances are unless you have a nice V shape chin and hit the gym regularly you won't fit for the escort sort of service, but is that what u want? Is it bad to get real women instead of slutty women? Geez!

Guy above just told the other guy that inevitably he will end up breaking up with his girlfriend, LOL...what are you guys going to do next? take your lives in a group suicide? You sure you taking finasteride or is it some depressives?

Puto, your views really sound a lot like some one who has really never experienced the devastating effects of hair loss for themselves. You sound a lot like some of my friends who have completely full heads of hair yet think that I am nuts for being so upset with my own hair loss. These are the guys who preach how baldness has no effect on scoring a woman, yet they would NEVER actually shave their head themselves. That is why I bet that you were a NW2 or something like that. No one can really fathom the devastating effects of hair loss unless they have experienced it for themselves. And I'm not talking about slight temple recession either because then you still have loads of hair on your head and no one will consider you bald.


Fred is right, women ARE mainly attracted to outer looks. Sure, as a relationship progresses, women will also care about other things like personality and kindness, but in order to get a woman to go out with you in the first place, it is essential that you have good outer looks. Nothing can really compensate for that. And especially now that social networking sites like Tinder and eHarmony have become so popular; places where women judge you solely by a photo of yourself. Also, most self-respecting men take great pride in their looks. I know that I sure do. And I sure do not want to compensate for eroding outer looks with personality. I don't think such a strategy is feasible for anyone who takes pride in their outer appearance.


Fred is also right that in order for a relationship to be a healthy one and to last, a woman needs to be physically attracted to you. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Otherwise, it just will not work out and it may as well just be a friendship. I've never been in a relationship where a woman was not physically attracted to me and I've never had a woman comment on what a great personality (or what great inner qualities I had) when I was having sex with her.


I don't know Puto, your views sound a lot like the views of men I know who have never really experienced true baldness for themselves. And one common truth with regards to hair loss is that you will never understand how devastating it can be if you have not truly experienced it for yourself.

 

[Ross.hamilton1987@hotmail]

I'd venture that if a woman is shallow enough to leave you because of your changing appearance (hair loss etc.) then she was perhaps not worthy of your time and effort in the first place.

 

[MercMan]

My hair loss used to really, really, really bother me...but now that I'm almost 30 it doesn't bug me the way it used to. I see Fred's point--I do wish I would have started finasteride in my early 20s. I'm a diffuse NW5 now, and thanks to my height I don't look super bald with a good buzz, but I'm clearly quite bald looking from the top or after a week without a buzz.

I understand women a lot better as I get older. I was lying in bed with a dime recently and asked her "does it not bother you that I'm losing my hair." Her response was that she was more interested in my overall face and body combo. Fred is always the negative one here, and clearly has serious insecurities, which we all do. I hope he grows through them, but bro don't try to bring everybody else down with you.

As you get older, and women get older with you, you will find that there are way more important things to them than looks--women are not the same as men. Women like me because I'm confident, make girls laugh like crazy,I tease them, I have a brain that works really well, and I'm a ton of fun. And so are my friends. I have a good job and a house. I come from a good family. I believe in myself and I have a good outlook on life. I play sports and I'm good at them.

My point here is that I have so many things going for me that women don't give a **** about my hair. And if they do, then **** them, I want nothing to do with them. If you are so insecure about your hair (which I was) then it's not your lack of hair that's turning them off--it's your lack of confidence.

 

[MercMan]

I wasn't talking about you specifically Fred (girls being turned off), I was speaking in generalities. Clearly you're insecure enough to think I was singling you out.

I have confidence in those things that I listed. If you're not any of the things that I listed, then find something that will give you confidence. There are many ways to be impressive.

 

[ren01]

Fred and others are right... when you gold bald op, you will lose your identity and look like a freak, stop being in denial, you will look in the mirror and loathe yourself.

Oh yeah and your ex gf will look at you in utter disgust.

 

[Hajo1992]

Wish I could think of it like that ...

 

[F2005]

Fred,

You lack to understand that your hair does not necessarily have a positive or negative impact on your looks, stop telling me I have no real life examples, what do u know? Do you not see bald guys with hot girls? What world do you live in? Maybe travel around a lil bit? Get to know different type of girls and as Ross rightly said, you will understand you've been dating the wrong girls...a real woman does not care about your looks, and personality is key for attraction, but you clearly don't even know what sexual attraction is in a woman's brain, its not what it is for us mate, I won't be speaking for the female community, but I suggest you go figure yourself, girls fancy Van Diesel just coz of his voice, and these girls hate muscles and claim he is not even pretty but they believe he is in real life what he is in the movies, it's an art.
There was somethin on the tv the other day, these 2 baldies playing the pick up game, actually getting women they just met to bed, within a day! It's on youtube, you probs seen it, if not shout and I will see if I find it, you're on the wrong purely because u resigned to thinking that looks mean hair and hair means sexual attraction.


F2005
Yea ur right, I am not bald, I am barely nw2 and ur spot on right in a lot of things, but as you pointed out women will go for personality for long-term however, personality at short-term and confidence can make a woman forget about your looks, and no I am not even bringing baldness, I seen guys who are VERY BAD LOOKING and I seen them winning a woman over and settle down with them.

Women themselves they too lose confidence EXPONENTIALLY as they age hence why they opt for a man who makes feel secure, confident, happy, and you cannot do that with your hair! I am saying this in the same words as it came out from women's mouths in the discussion I had today with my partner and her mates, and I settled with a real hottie.

You have smart women, and then you have the not so smart kind who go on shows like "Take me Out" - those you want to avoid - they don't care about personality. They don't care about much due to constraints on brain size and end up on low salaries or benefits.

Tinder and dating apps work with looks, people who are there are there because they couldn't find anyone in real life, and don't tell me they don't have good looking people around them! These people are shy and not so confident, which is normal, but they are there for a reason! I am sure you all know before Tinder existed, people used chat rooms to socialize, how many people were absolutely in love, engaged even! without even having EVER seen their other half in real life? How many movies and tv shows of these stories? people who fell in love just exchanging texts or calls?

Today's society is changing quick but there is still and there will always be real women with good values out there who put values over looks, and there always was and there will always be women who put looks over values, which is good if you're after one night stands.

Puto, you may be well-intentioned, but a lot what you're saying sounds like some one who has never actually experienced true hair loss, and is simply not true. You really need to experience true hair loss for yourself to understand what guys like Fred and I are talking about.

The statement that "a real woman does not care about your looks" is simply ridiculous. Outer looks are the most important aspect in terms of attracting a woman. First and foremost, a woman needs to be physically and sexually attracted to you aesthetically, otherwise a healthy relationship will not progress. And for that initial attraction, outer looks are absolutely essential. And that is why so many of us are on this message board, because baldness erodes our outer looks and thereby our potential to attract suitable women.

Sure, women can also be attracted things like personality and kindness, but these are mainly traits that complement a person's outer looks. In most cases, and especially in today's excessively image-conscious society, a woman is attracted to a man based on his outer aesthetic looks and then once the relationship progresses, then she also becomes attracted to some of their inner qualities. That's how it's been in every relationship I've ever been in.

Sure, you will occasionally see very ugly men settle down with beautiful women but this is an extremely rare exception and far from the norm. And most often, she is a gold digger. I actually have a friend of a friend who has a trophy wife like that yet she constantly cheats on him. Who would want that?

And even if this was the case (ugly-looking guys getting beautiful women), which it is not, most guys would never want to be in that situation anyway. Most self-respecting men take great pride in their appearance and want to look the best that they possibly can. I sure as hell do, and I would not want to be in a relationship, knowing that my girlfriend is not attracted to me physically and sexually. That is an extremely unhealthy situation not only for the relationship, but also for a guy's self-esteem and self-worth.

Unfortunately, your assessment of Tinder is wrong too. Most of the people I know that are on Tinder are some of the most outgoing and attractive people that I know. They are not shy at all. Tinder just affords them another outlet to showcase their good looks and makes them available to a much wider dating pool. It is easier too. Instead of going to bar after bar after bar, with a few clicks of a mouse, a woman can be seen and attract a much wider range of men. And the shy and reticent women that I do know would NEVER go on a website like Tinder at all. Most of them barely even use their accounts on a much more innocuous site like facebook.

Like I said, a lot of what you say sounds like some one who is not even close to being bald. I have full-headed friends who still think that they get loads of attention from women because of their outgoing personality. It is really what I like to call the luxury of being naive. But if these guys were ever NW6 bald, I guarantee that these guys would get shocked back into reality.

 

[shookwun]

Fred,

You lack to understand that your hair does not necessarily have a positive or negative impact on your looks, stop telling me I have no real life examples, what do u know? Do you not see bald guys with hot girls? What world do you live in? Maybe travel around a lil bit? Get to know different type of girls and as Ross rightly said, you will understand you've been dating the wrong girls...a real woman does not care about your looks, and personality is key for attraction, but you clearly don't even know what sexual attraction is in a woman's brain, its not what it is for us mate, I won't be speaking for the female community, but I suggest you go figure yourself, girls fancy Van Diesel just coz of his voice, and these girls hate muscles and claim he is not even pretty but they believe he is in real life what he is in the movies, it's an art.
There was somethin on the tv the other day, these 2 baldies playing the pick up game, actually getting women they just met to bed, within a day! It's on youtube, you probs seen it, if not shout and I will see if I find it, you're on the wrong purely because u resigned to thinking that looks mean hair and hair means sexual attraction.


F2005
I am not bald, I am barely nw2 and ur spot on right in a lot of things, but as you pointed out women will go for personality for long-term however, personality at short-term and confidence can make a woman forget about your looks, and no I am not even bringing baldness, I seen guys who are VERY BAD LOOKING and I seen them winning a woman over and settle down with them.

Women themselves they too lose confidence EXPONENTIALLY as they age hence why they opt for a man who makes feel secure, confident, happy, and you cannot do that with your hair! I am saying this in the same words as it came out from women's mouths in the discussion I had today with my partner and her mates, and I settled with a real hottie.

You have smart women, and then you have the not so smart kind who go on shows like "Take me Out" - those you want to avoid - they don't care about personality. They don't care about much due to constraints on brain size and end up on low salaries or benefits.

Tinder and dating apps work with looks, people who are there are there because they couldn't find anyone in real life, and don't tell me they don't have good looking people around them! These people are shy and not so confident, which is normal, but they are there for a reason! I am sure you all know before Tinder existed, people used chat rooms to socialize, how many people were absolutely in love, engaged even! without even having EVER seen their other half in real life? How many movies and tv shows of these stories? people who fell in love just exchanging texts or calls?

Today's society is changing quick but there is still and there will always be real women with good values out there who put values over looks, and there always was and there will always be women who put looks over values, which is good if you're after one night stands.

I suppose as men we go for their personalities too, but of course women are far more, different and selective then us men.

Women, and men are no different then one another when it comes to finding, and choosing attractive mates.


'women go for personalities' :shakehead: Women are actually much more picky, and selective then men due to the shear volume, and selection they have to choose from.

 

[ren01]

looks have no direct link to your hair

 

[tommyt123]

hair does directly effect your looks, but the extent to which hair loss effects you as a person is up to you all that matters in life is that your happy with yourself, women come second lol.

 

[Johannes]

I don't know about you, but if I don't get sex regularly, I'm not happy. It's a basic need, like food and sleep.



I have had more than 50 first dates, have made out with 40 women, have had sex with 20, and 10 relationships.

My current girlfriend has been with me for almost a year and a half, and she seems quite happy.

My ex-girlfriend camped in front of my building, hoping I would go back with her.

I've never used PUA quackery at all. How do you explain my relative success then?

Of course, these were all "false" women, as opposed to the "real" women you're talking about.

How do you explain that there are plenty of men out there that have more success than PUA, yet they've never heard it?

You look like the typical brainwashed PUA worshiper who fell hard for the PUA industry lies.

If these guys had the secret about how to pick up women, then their best followers would be able to seduce at least 80% of the women they're approaching.

Yet, what are the stats of the guys that do only that, go out 300 days a year and spend thousands of hours harassing women on the street? Less than 0.1%.

Tyler of RSD admitted bedding 50 women, out of 10000 he approached. and PUA worshipers of course are still impressed by that success ratio.

Krauser admitted having a 1% success rate... in Eastern Europe! I thought these guys were supposed to be the best? Why don't they bed every other girl they try to "seduce" then?

Those miserable stats shows it's just a numbers game. And the would have gotten those women without any PUA nonsense.

And look at the quality of the women they're getting, none of them are banging supermodels. Rather girls at their level.

What a waste of time and potential. And you want bald guys to fall for that crap? So that, not only they will be bald, but also social weirdos?

Sexual attraction is genetic, you cannot convince a girl to become attracted to you.

Mating is also associative, which mean the vast majority of men (look around you) will end up with a woman on the same level of attractiveness as them.

There is no secret, no special skills, no magic formula to attract women. Either she likes you instantly, or that's it. There's nothing you can do to convince her otherwise.

Can't you see that PUA is just marketing? Exploiting young men and their insecurities. If seduction existed, don't you think there would be at least one study proving its existence?

Seduction is a myth, humans mate like chimpanzees, they meet and they f-ck. No long talk or wits are required.

Which is why one night stands happen. Women don't have sex with your confidence or your personality.

I can't believe young men still fall for that PUA quackery when simple common sense shows that they're chasing a wild goose.

No offence, but seriously are you just trolling around for fun?
Otherwise alarming case.

 

[M.G]

Fred does make alot of sense.

He just delivers his points so cold though lmao, which is hard for some people to take.

But I think his intentions are good, even if I may not perhaps agree on every point, but most.