How Many Shitty Genetics Do You Have To Be Labeled As A "genetic Trash" ?

[Rudiger]

we should specify a bit more though:
scenario A: if you are 35 and have been losing hair since you were 25 then you have been suffering for 10 years
scenario B: if you are 20 and have been losing hair since you were 18 then you have been suffering for 2 years
scenario C: if you are 35 and have been losing hair since you were 33 then you have been suffering for 2 years

now the early suffering is the worst since humans do have a capacity to adapt to pain and trauma, but the cumulative effect of the pain experienced does add up over time. The only scenario where someone in their thirties losing hair is significantly better than someone in their 20s is if the duration of hairloss is the same or shorter; this is taking into account the benefit of increased prevalence of hairloss in the older age bracket.

You won't stop caring about hairloss in your thirties, trust me. It is more likely that someone who is in their 30s or 40s to have been suffering for much longer than someone in their 20s, therefore that cumulative pain is something that should be accounted for and respected.

Having said that, because humans have an ability to adapt to trauma and pain, the early years are often the worst psychologically. Here is the following in chart format:
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I like the effort here (or maybe I'm just a sucker for graphs) but to me this is way too 1 dimensional in explaining a lot of different factors.

Bald in your mid 30's sucks, nobody is disputing this, but the suffering is incomparable to balding at 20. Why? Because it's more common to have hair issues past 30, and people don't look at you like a freakshow. At best you get pity, at worst some people will actually despise you just for being a rare form of ugly (not ALL people, but some people are just c****).

I know a guy who went completely grey in his mid-20's, and it really doesn't suit him, he looked fresh faced before and now he looks ancient (he's kind of a dick so I don't mind being rude about him either, behind his back of course).

I know he really hated going grey and even though before that he was the type who had no filter for making fun of people, and of himself, he would not cope well with the grey "banter" (and even though I don't like him, I wouldn't get involved in such petty crap).

He looked odd and unusual because he was so young, and I believe this seriously impact him socially and with dating. He hasn't had many relationships and they've been brief, I think it's brought out major insecurities in him.

But according to your hypothesis (if I'm understanding it correctly) he suffered the same from 25-30 with going grey, as if it happened when 45-50?

Lol neh breh. Just neh.

 

[JeanLucBB]

we should specify a bit more though:
scenario A: if you are 35 and have been losing hair since you were 25 then you have been suffering for 10 years
scenario B: if you are 20 and have been losing hair since you were 18 then you have been suffering for 2 years
scenario C: if you are 35 and have been losing hair since you were 33 then you have been suffering for 2 years

now the early suffering is the worst since humans do have a capacity to tolerate pain, but the cumulative effect of the totality of pain experienced ddoes add up over time. The only scenario where someone in their thirties losing hair is significantly better than someone in their 20s is if the duration of hairloss is the same or shorter; this is taking into account the benefit of increased prevalence of hairloss in the older age bracket.

You won't stop caring about hairloss in your thirties, trust me. It is more likely that someone who is in their 30s or 40s to have been suffering for much longer than someone in their 20s, therefore that cumulative pain is something that should be accounted for and respected.

Having said that, because humans have an ability to adapt to trauma and pain, the early years are often the worst psychologically. Here is the following in chart format:
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I don't think this is an accurate way at looking at it, it's also important to account for the fact that balding at 18 may have negative effects that become compounded over time.

An aspect mentioned in a marketing course I took was one of the lecturers outright mentioned that a firm particularly with face to face and networking roles may hire employees that emphasise youth, health, well being and success, "making them less inclined to hire a balding man for example". Joining the workforce in a poor job with low pay that you don't enjoy because the best firms aren't interested in cis white men unless they are the absolute cream of the crop in both skill and looks will have strongly negative cumulative returns over the years.

Also the cumulative stress over the years from being in a lower job position than someone with the same skills but substantially better looking and "confident" (of course because they are more attractive). More importantly, someone earning only a slightly higher salary and investing an extra 20% a year than a balding guy in a shittier job, will earn more than double the bald guy on their investments over a decade. Small career benefits of good looking fullheads add a substantial amount to their wealth and wellbeing over time. By 25 most have already entered the workforce, think about a 22 year old going into it as a norwood 3 or 4. It is devastating to their career potential.

Not to mention that balding at 18 you miss out on opportunities to practice and experience being in a relationship and become a good communicator with women leaving you substantially behind your peers. Guys who are incels going into their mid twenties (including those on this forum) are typically not in a strong mental position, and tend to get stuck in their ways and become unwilling to change. It's a lot easier if you don't have your relationship opportunity taken away as a norwood 2 at 18. Women mostly aren't willing to deal with 22 year old incels, let alone norwood 4s. This is a lot less of an issue for a 25 year old just starting to bald if they've already had this experience before they began to bald.

Early 20s are setting the stage for the rest of your life, it isn't just a matter of specific stress or impacts in these two years, your future potential is being decimated by balding this early. You can't look at it on a linear basis of suffering in those individual years.

 

[Rudiger]

Oh and one other major factor I've thought about before but never posted to when it comes to this balding age issue we often discuss.

When you bald later in life it's a much less aggressive, gradual process, if you're balding at 18 then unless treated it's likely you'll be NW4+ in only a few years. I've talked about how there's a long-term torture to gradually losing your hair as well, but as much as I whine about that, it still doesn't compare to what would feel like instantly waking up and looking completely different, in a matter of only a few years of even a matter of months.

I've seen baldness coming for way over a decade now, and it's obviously been gradual as I'm somehow still maintaining passable hair. I may be "balding" and it's noticeable, but I'm still not officially a "bald guy".

However, although I find the process to be torture, and it's a tease always wondering how I'm perceived, at least I've had a lot of time to digest what might be my fate as a bald guy. I've imagined it, I am as close to being "accepting" of it as a person can really hope to be when it comes to accepting something horrible.

Had this happened aggressively at a young age, and it went to NW4 in only 3 years or so, I would not be remotely close to accepting something that came so swiftly as a shock to my system.

 

[Rudiger]

You are misunderstanding the writeup and charts. As long as the period of suffering is the same or less, the older person going through the same condition has it much better. However, an older person who has had the issue for longer period of time has cumulative trauma/pain that needs to be accounted for.

I'm not questioning younger people have it harder - but it seems some people on this forum forget that old people were once young and many of them have been dealing with balding for much longer.

I thought I was misunderstanding it, to be fair I don't think the point made was crystal clear.

So you're saying, as well as suffering more at the time, a younger person also has a longer period of suffering to go through? That's a good point.

 

[Rudiger]

Not to mention that balding at 18 you miss out on opportunities to practice and experience being in a relationship and become a good communicator with women leaving you substantially behind your peers. Guys who are incels going into their mid twenties tend (including those on this forum) are almost never in a strong mental position, and tend to get stuck in their ways and become unwilling to change. It's a lot easier if you don't have your opportunity taken away as a norwood 2 at 18. Women mostly aren't willing to deal with 22 year old incels, let alone norwood 4s. This is a lot less of an issue for a 25 year old just starting to bald if they've already had this experience before they began to bald.

Good points and this in particular. At 30 I only feel like I've really become settled into the person I am, and express myself socially, in the past 2 or 3 years. I wasn't a social retard before that, but only now do I feel comfortable speaking up or making jokes in a group of people.

And this is with a lot of things to help me out, supportive friends and family who basically embraced the fact that I could be very quiet at times, and accepted that's how I am (or was) and knew to gradually welcome me into certain social situations as I felt comfortable. Also being an attractive guy means that people can tend to assume you're already likeable and social, I've noticed this and remember how different it was when I was an ugly fat teenager.

With these things taken into account it still took a significant time for me to find myself socially, and being a social creature is not something a lot of people naturally take to. For a guy with baldness AND social anxieties? Very hard to come into his own, he doesn't get the social chances, and doesn't even want them.

As @zircon touched on, you can sort out a lot of these issues with a full head by the time you're 30. If you have to blossom at an important time in your life socially, while balding, it's very difficult to flourish and get over your anxiety.

ok there is a fallacy in my charts, and that is the fact i started all scenarios from YR1 where the level of trauma/pain should also be predicated on the age of the user. On that we all agree, and that is my mistake.

The proper charts should show ages instead of YR1-YR10 with respective weight applied to baldness in each age. I don't know if i have time to undertake that but you get the point. There would still be a cumulative effect of pain of someone who has been suffering longer, which may match the level of pain of a younger person, but presumably that would require a pretty long period of pain/trauma.

Fair enough on the correction. I don't mind charts at all but if it's taking any sort of effort to do, they really aren't that necessary.

Fun though.

 

[CopeForLife]

An attractive girl who's eye-f*****g handsome man is one of the most incredible things to observe IRL.

There is a cashier in a grocery shop I go frequently. Tall, bright long thick NW0, angular face, good frame.

The girl was in queue line before me and she changed a line to that cashier notwithstanding her initial queue was shorter...

She eye-fucked him for 2 minutes a row and then was typing PIN code of her credit card tremendously slow while tilting her head closer and closed to cashier's body.

f*****g lol @ raw attraction deniers. Muh money blablabla. Looks prevail.

A guy is a f*****g cashier with $250 salary and a girl was clear 8/10 with a slutty glow. If you have NEVER been in a guy's place you should drop any attempts to get a "relationships".

 

[Stanx22]

An attractive girl who's eye-f*****g handsome man is one of the most incredible things to observe IRL.

There is a cashier in a grocery shop I go frequently. Tall, bright long thick NW0, angular face, good frame.

The girl was in queue line before me and she changed a line to that cashier notwithstanding her initial queue was shorter...

She eye-fucked him for 2 minutes a row and then was typing PIN code of her credit card tremendously slow tilting her head closer and closed to cashier's body.

f*****g lol @ raw attraction deniers. Muh money blablabla. Looks prevail.

A guy is a f*****g cashier with $250 salary and a girl was clear 8/10 with a slutty glow. If you have NEVER been in a guy's place you should drop any attempts to get a "relationships".

If i ever commit suicide , i'll write in my suicide note that your posts was the reason.

 

[CopeForLife]

If i ever commit suicide , i'll write in my suicide note that your posts was the reason.

I will very appreciate it.

 

[Stanx22]

I will very appreciate it.

You'll appreciate me committing suicide ? Are you jealous of my new, edgy avatar so much, that you want me to die ?

 

[CopeForLife]

You'll appreciate me committing suicide ? Are you jealous of my new, edgy avatar so much, that you want me to die ?
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I appreciate your intention to put my name on a suicide note Decision on a suicide is on your own

 

[Stanx22]

I appreciate your intention to put my name on a suicide note Decision on a suicide is on your own

I can see hidden "kill yourself" in this comment.

 

[CopeForLife]

I can see hidden "kill yourself" in this comment.

Just don't forget to reference on my post... You don't want to commit a suicide in vain, do you?

 

[Stanx22]

Just don't forget to reference on my post... You don't want to commit a suicide in vain, do you?

I should have committed suicide long ago, but i'm a pussy.

 

[Rudiger]

An attractive girl who's eye-f*****g handsome man is one of the most incredible things to observe IRL.

There is a cashier in a grocery shop I go frequently. Tall, bright long thick NW0, angular face, good frame.

The girl was in queue line before me and she changed a line to that cashier notwithstanding her initial queue was shorter...

She eye-fucked him for 2 minutes a row and then was typing PIN code of her credit card tremendously slow while tilting her head closer and closed to cashier's body.

f*****g lol @ raw attraction deniers. Muh money blablabla. Looks prevail.

A guy is a f*****g cashier with $250 salary and a girl was clear 8/10 with a slutty glow. If you have NEVER been in a guy's place you should drop any attempts to get a "relationships".

With that sort of attraction she'll worship the dude nomatter what, he pretty much can't go wrong. As long as he's not a total social retard then he's golden with that chick.

Then again, you think she won't eventually see another Chad somewhere down the line? She can't keep f*****g them all (well, she can, but despite what most red-pillers think, the vast majority of girls don't do this).

I've been in this situation where a girl is instantly attracted, knows nothing about me, and has even gone to great lengths to get in touch. This is obviously great, especially if she's attractive, but for a longer term relationship you actually feel oddly worthless after a while. Every joke you make, even when not intended to be a joke, is met with fake giggles, your "insights" can be incredibly dull, even if you aren't trying to be interesting, but she'll still insist it's fascinating.

And on top of that? Girls this fickle are not that interesting themselves. Everyone has an element of raw physical attraction we play to, but if this dominates your being to the point where you aren't smart enough to see through people's looks, you are likely to be a dull person, and you can only put up with such a person for so long.

But hey, if you're talking just about getting laid, then yeah Chad tier looks will inevitably get any retard some pussy.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

With that sort of attraction she'll worship the dude nomatter what, he pretty much can't go wrong. As long as he's not a total social retard then he's golden with that chick.

Then again, you think she won't eventually see another Chad somewhere down the line? She can't keep f*****g them all (well, she can, but despite what most red-pillers think, the vast majority of girls don't do this).

I've been in this situation where a girl is instantly attracted, knows nothing about me, and has even gone to great lengths to get in touch. This is obviously great, especially if she's attractive, but for a longer term relationship you actually feel oddly worthless after a while. Every joke you make, even when not intended to be a joke, is met with fake giggles, your "insights" can be incredibly dull, even if you aren't trying to be interesting, but she'll still insist it's fascinating.

And on top of that? Girls this fickle are not that interesting themselves. Everyone has an element of raw physical attraction we play to, but if this dominates your being to the point where you aren't smart enough to see through people's looks, you are likely to be a dull person, and you can only put up with such a person for so long.

But hey, if you're talking just about getting laid, then yeah Chad tier looks will inevitably get any retard some pussy.

Damn, it must suck being Chad.

 

[Rudiger]

Damn, it must suck being Chad.

I guess it just sucks being anything if you have an over-active mind and imagination. It definitely would not suck having the type of relationship I described, but if you're with someone who worships you, and your "love" for them is really a lie, you can only live in the knowledge of such bullshit for so long.

Some people do it for life, and end up bitterly unhappy. Actually, a lot of people do this.

 

[CopeForLife]

With that sort of attraction she'll worship the dude nomatter what, he pretty much can't go wrong. As long as he's not a total social retard then he's golden with that chick.

Then again, you think she won't eventually see another Chad somewhere down the line? She can't keep f*****g them all (well, she can, but despite what most red-pillers think, the vast majority of girls don't do this).

I've been in this situation where a girl is instantly attracted, knows nothing about me, and has even gone to great lengths to get in touch. This is obviously great, especially if she's attractive, but for a longer term relationship you actually feel oddly worthless after a while. Every joke you make, even when not intended to be a joke, is met with fake giggles, your "insights" can be incredibly dull, even if you aren't trying to be interesting, but she'll still insist it's fascinating.

And on top of that? Girls this fickle are not that interesting themselves. Everyone has an element of raw physical attraction we play to, but if this dominates your being to the point where you aren't smart enough to see through people's looks, you are likely to be a dull person, and you can only put up with such a person for so long.

But hey, if you're talking just about getting laid, then yeah Chad tier looks will inevitably get any retard some pussy.

Maybe she went to another Chad after a shopping but who cares?

Anyway, they had that eye ping-pong. You know what I mean.

"Just about getting laid", lol. Everything is about getting laid. 99% of interaction is about getting laid.

 

[CaptainForehead]

If i ever commit suicide , i'll write in my suicide note that your posts was the reason.

Me too.

 

[Rudiger]

"Just about getting laid", lol. Everything is about getting laid. 99% of interaction is about getting laid.

I guess this is where @zircon's rule of posting relationship status, knowledge, experience, would come in handy. But I didn't really agree with that rule anyway so I guess I'll stick with my principle.

I'll just say I don't agree.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I've been in this situation where a girl is instantly attracted, knows nothing about me, and has even gone to great lengths to get in touch. This is obviously great, especially if she's attractive, but for a longer term relationship you actually feel oddly worthless after a while. Every joke you make, even when not intended to be a joke, is met with fake giggles, your "insights" can be incredibly dull, even if you aren't trying to be interesting, but she'll still insist it's fascinating.