How you deal with setbacks is what ....

[Oknow]

Defines you as a man

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

woah...

 

[doubleindemnity]

Abstract nonsense in my opinion. What does it mean to be "defined as a man"? Truisms like this are why I stopped reading self development stuff and started reading philosophy stuff. Philosophy is actually practical and precise.

 

[Oknow]

Abstract nonsense in my opinion. What does it mean to be "defined as a man"? Truisms like this are why I stopped reading self development stuff and started reading philosophy stuff. Philosophy is actually practical and precise.

to give an example went on an unsuccessful date last night , after 2 good dates with other women where I got action

I could:

a) be butthurt and reminisce over my failures like @Feelsbadman does

b) take it on the chin and move onto the next girl

I chose b)

 

[doubleindemnity]

to give an example went on an unsuccessful date last night , after 2 good dates with other women where I got action

I could:

a) be butthurt and reminisce over my failures like @Feelsbadman does

b) take it on the chin and move onto the next girl

I chose b)

This again reeks of privilege and lack of perspective because, to some people, going on a date that goes badly is not a setback, but a huge victory. It would be to @Feelsbadman . There is, in general, no 'next girl' for bald guys.

I'm just saying that the definition of 'setback' and 'hard work' is very relative. Do you really work much harder than @Feelsbadman , who grooms himself well and keeps himself in shape, or myself who pushes hard on my career, tries to learn/study new things in free time and is in comparable shape to you? Even if you do, do you work that much harder that your much better results in life are justified by it? I mean like your results are 10x ours, and do you work 10x harder?

The biggest setback of all is losing your hair and that is a setback that you didn't deal with. So you does that make you less of a man because you weren't able to deal with the hugest setback and demonstrate your defined manhood? You see, it's not so black and white. Everybody wants to believe that they deserve or have earned every good thing in their life but the truth is that many things come from luck. My face shape that suits a shaved look comes from luck, for example, and any good results I had as a bald guy were surely thanks to that.

 

[Feelsbadman]

This again reeks of privilege and lack of perspective because, to some people, going on a date that goes badly is not a setback, but a huge victory. It would be to @Feelsbadman . There is, in general, no 'next girl' for bald guys.

I'm just saying that the definition of 'setback' and 'hard work' is very relative. Do you really work much harder than @Feelsbadman , who grooms himself well and keeps himself in shape, or myself who pushes hard on my career, tries to learn/study new things in free time and is in comparable shape to you? Even if you do, do you work that much harder that your much better results in life are justified by it? I mean like your results are 10x ours, and do you work 10x harder?

The biggest setback of all is losing your hair and that is a setback that you didn't deal with. So you does that make you less of a man because you weren't able to deal with the hugest setback and demonstrate your defined manhood? You see, it's not so black and white. Everybody wants to believe that they deserve or have earned every good thing in their life but the truth is that many things come from luck. My face shape that suits a shaved look comes from luck, for example, and any good results I had as a bald guy were surely thanks to that.

Very well said
Op is delusional and seems to lack understanding

 

[Oknow]

Very well said
Op is delusional and seems to lack understanding

I create these opportunities, what have you done in the past few weeks to create opportunities with women?

 

[Oknow]

This again reeks of privilege and lack of perspective because, to some people, going on a date that goes badly is not a setback, but a huge victory. It would be to @Feelsbadman . There is, in general, no 'next girl' for bald guys.

I'm just saying that the definition of 'setback' and 'hard work' is very relative. Do you really work much harder than @Feelsbadman , who grooms himself well and keeps himself in shape, or myself who pushes hard on my career, tries to learn/study new things in free time and is in comparable shape to you? Even if you do, do you work that much harder that your much better results in life are justified by it? I mean like your results are 10x ours, and do you work 10x harder?

The biggest setback of all is losing your hair and that is a setback that you didn't deal with. So you does that make you less of a man because you weren't able to deal with the hugest setback and demonstrate your defined manhood? You see, it's not so black and white. Everybody wants to believe that they deserve or have earned every good thing in their life but the truth is that many things come from luck. My face shape that suits a shaved look comes from luck, for example, and any good results I had as a bald guy were surely thanks to that.

To be honest, I’m just as competitive as him and you. I have a decent career to the point this lady labelled my job ‘prestigious’ given the company I work for. Met other women who are attracted to it, especially those who work in tech.

That did not happen overnight, worked hard at it where I’m doing a Senior role.

I have status.

I work out a lot, 3-4 times a week

I am on treatments to maintain my hair and have a hairloss appropriate style

I use apps regularly and create opportunities, by regularly, every day swiping, it’s time consuming

you reap what you sow, there is more to it than hair

 

[Feelsbadman]

I create these opportunities, what have you done in the past few weeks to create opportunities with women?

Swipe every single day on multiple dating apps

 

[Feelsbadman]

@Oknow why do you come on thus forum and brag so much its really weird man

 

[Feelsbadman]

The problem with @Oknow is that he claims that working hard has gotten to where he is today and he is successful and then thinks that the same concepts that applied to him therefore apply to everyone and will work with everyone

 

[Oknow]

@Oknow why do you come on thus forum and brag so much its really weird man

to inject some positivity into this cesspit, with the view of people like you turning around your situation for the better

Nudge: it’s not bragging, it’s my reality after years of hard work that you can do too

 

[Oknow]

The problem with @Oknow is that he claims that working hard has gotten to where he is today and he is successful and then thinks that the same concepts that applied to him therefore apply to everyone and will work with everyone

I know what it’s like on the other side of the fence, by that, when you have no status, money and below average looks - I wrote a thread on it

 

[vondoom]

some people are delusional...
you dont get successful in your job because you have hair... helps as a store clerk or car salesman maybe, but thats it...

if you all honestly believe it so much, then why didnt you still get a system? should give you success in life overnight...

 

[Feelsbadman]

I know what it’s like on the other side of the fence, by that, when you have no status, money and below average looks - I wrote a thread on it

yes but let me give you an example

suppose you have a man that's very smart but lazy, is tall and has a nice face but is fat, earns no money because he is lazy
he starts working hard, uses his smarts to get a better a job, loses weight and looks good
women all of a sudden like him and he attributes this to his "hard work" and "attitude"
vs
suppose you have a man who is exactly the same but short, ugly and balding he also works hard in the gym and at his work yet women don't even look at him

is there something wrong with his attitude? does he need to work harder?

please respond

 

[vondoom]

yes but let me give you an example

suppose you have a man that's very smart but lazy, is tall and has a nice face but is fat, earns no money because he is lazy
he starts working hard, uses his smarts to get a better a job, loses weight and looks good
women all of a sudden like him and he attributes this to his "hard work" and "attitude"
vs
suppose you have a man who is exactly the same but short, ugly and balding he also works hard in the gym and at his work yet women don't even look at him

is there something wrong with his attitude? does he need to work harder?

please respond

the attitude is the same... i bet everyone would also appreciate ugly dudes effort (if he hits the gym hard he probably even looks way better later)...

so if everything else is the same, just that dude 1 looks better than dude 2, goes without saying that dude 1 gets more chances with women... that is base on looks alone (like if you just had a picture, or stand them side by side)...

i rather notice that bald men stand and sit and talk and act insecure usually... be it sitting shy somewhere, acting nervous, or being overly loud/aggressive... that doesnt help anyone...

 

[Oknow]

yes but let me give you an example

suppose you have a man that's very smart but lazy, is tall and has a nice face but is fat, earns no money because he is lazy
he starts working hard, uses his smarts to get a better a job, loses weight and looks good
women all of a sudden like him and he attributes this to his "hard work" and "attitude"
vs
suppose you have a man who is exactly the same but short, ugly and balding he also works hard in the gym and at his work yet women don't even look at him

is there something wrong with his attitude? does he need to work harder?

please respond

There might be women who like the second guy over the first, where to use me as an example, even though I am not guy 2, in my case, not every woman I go on a date with fancies me, but some do. By your logic, because I have hair, tall and successful EVERY woman should go for me, but they don't.

Get the logic?

 

[Oknow]

some people are delusional...
you dont get successful in your job because you have hair... helps as a store clerk or car salesman maybe, but thats it...

if you all honestly believe it so much, then why didnt you still get a system? should give you success in life overnight...

This is true, I am successful because I have a strong track record + academically qualified

 

[Feelsbadman]

There might be women who like the second guy over the first, where to use me as an example, even though I am not guy 2, in my case, not every woman I go on a date with fancies me, but some do. By your logic, because I have hair, tall and successful EVERY woman should go for me, but they don't.

Get the logic?

You didn't even answer the question
how said how much harder does he need to work?
see
a person like him (me) should not even bother as working extremely hard derives marginal benefits.

 

[vondoom]

You didn't even answer the question
how said how much harder does he need to work?
see
a person like him (me) should not even bother as working extremely hard derives marginal benefits.

you talk about getting women? then he can work as hard as he wants to and wont get to dude 1 level unless plastic surgery... obviously...
for everything else: he has to do as much as any other dude in the position he wants to have...