I Missed The Brotzu Presentation, Was It A Bust? ( I Have Seen Two Pictures)

[Dogma]

I missed the April 14 presentation, however I have seen a lot of discontent, stating nothing useful was provided. Also are these the only two photos they provided during the presentation?

- both of the patients look very old, the mail in particular clearly has been balding for a long time.

- At best all I see is increased thickiness, in already existing hairs...MAYBE slight regrowth on the crown.

 

[Javell]

Yes, Brotzu presentation was a disaster. It's not even worth to talk about it anymore. All of those who had hyped it disappeared.

 

[Btg]

at least we know it stops hair loss on someone who is so old that his hairloss has stopped naturally , better than nothing !

 

[Dogma]

at least we know it stops hair loss on someone who is so old that his hairloss has stopped naturally , better than nothing !

I agree it is quite discouraging especially with how people were hyping it up. But you are lying if you do not notice that there is increased thickiness. Is incontrovertible. However that is not what we were hoping for, but to thicken hair that have definitely miniaturized in a old man is something. Don’t get me wrong I understand that these photos are a major let down, but the level of your pessimism is overzealous. Without question does have some effect. I would say comparable to finasteride and minoxidil only difference is a man over 50 with that severe of balding would almost certainly have no benefit from those, it’s either gone by that time or gets patchy and remains stagnant.

 

[Razor of Damocles]

at least we know it stops hair loss on someone who is so old that his hairloss has stopped naturally , better than nothing !

I've read that the lotion also ages you. In the after picture, the guy has visably aged half a year.

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Most who hyped it on a bullshit basis embodied one or more of the following lines of thinking:

-Brotzu is famous/smart/a professor so his word is true.
-A friend of a friend said the lotion worked.
-The doctor said it worked well and he wouldn't risk his reputation.
-A guy named Beps logged on and gave a confirmation.
-There is some positive correlation between having faith in the lotion and the lotion's efficacy.
-The lotion is patented.
-The patent was bought by a mid-size pharmaceutical company primarily producing hyaluronic acid (dermal fillers).
-The lotion was purported to be effective for alopecia areata.
-Equol will certainly address the hormonal basis of androgenetic alopecia; i.e. the claimed regrowth and halting of hair loss over short time scales lends credibility to the claim that the lotion can stop androgenetic alopecia.
-The doctor discovered the lotion a long time ago and presumably has worked on it a lot.
-One or two women peripherally or directly involved with treatment for alopecia areata under the guidance of Brotzu claim that the lotion is effective.
-Fidia was running a trial of the lotion.
-Brotzu gave a conference presentation (or two).

Such people get to learn the hard way to make evidence-based conclusions, rather than relying on flimsy logic as detailed above. The focus should always have been on sound trichological data.

If Brotzu shows up tomorrow with spectacular evidence for his spectacular claims, I'd happily rejoice.

But to see this lotion's thread explode with attention as it has for the past few years is somewhat ghastly. Yet again, bald men (and some women) flock, mouths agape and eyes glazed, at even the slightest utterance of salvation from their predicament - nevermind the evidence.

Meanwhile, however, technologies (such as RCH-01) with legitimate clinical trials, in-depth science (that is, mechanistic explations of the principle of the product along with clear corroborating evidence), and sound financial backing receive just a fraction of the attention, all because they take time to develop and their claims are rather sobering, like suggesting little expectation of regrowth but instead a cessation of miniaturization (a remarkable milestone if achieved, considering it would be a one-time treatment).

Those easily seduced by snake oil will surely find a salesman to satisfy them. Afterall, the latter doesn't get to exist without the former.

 

[SheddieMurphy]

the brotzu saga is such an epic fail that i dont even enjoy gloating over it anymore

 

[JimmyB]

Don't you think everyone would be going crazy with anticipation if it was a success?

 

[Ollie]

I missed the April 14 presentation, however I have seen a lot of discontent, stating nothing useful was provided. Also are these the only two photos they provided during the presentation?

- both of the patients look very old, the mail in particular clearly has been balding for a long time.

- At best all I see is increased thickiness, in already existing hairs...MAYBE slight regrowth on the crown.

Yes those were the photos and somewhat disappointing. However the hype is still there till we try it ourselves because of all the pictures from the homemade lotions which delivered as what Brotzu originally said.

 

[Javell]

Yes those were the photos and somewhat disappointing. However the hype is still there till we try it ourselves because of all the pictures from the homemade lotions which delivered as what Brotzu originally said.

I don't know man I bought Toppik and Dermmatch again, my results looked similar to that crown photo, almost identical.

And I finally shaved my pubic hair since DHT overgrowth makes it hard to breathe and I doubt any girl would want to suck my dick surrounded by forest thicker than my head hair. And they now look like beps63 vellus regrowth close up photos from 2016.

As for temple regrowth photos, hommemade lotion user could have cut his temple using hair cutting machine.

 

[Ollie]

I don't know man I bought Toppik and Dermmatch again, my results looked similar to that crown photo, almost identical.

And I finally shaved my pubic hair since DHT overgrowth makes it hard to breathe and I doubt any girl would want to suck my dick surrounded by forest thicker than my head hair. And they now look like beps63 vellus regrowth close up photos from 2016.

As for temple regrowth photos, hommemade lotion user could have cut his temple using hair cutting machine.

Yeah who knows about the crown picture but with the temple picture they're completely redundant. The temple photos if anything add credibility to the crown shots .

There is no way some dude over a year ago, who was confirmed to be making weekly batches of the lotion was shaving the corners of his head just to gain some attention on a public hair forum...

He regrew his temples some how. We're inclined to believe him through the method that he has said or he would have just written a post on the actual way he did it.

 

[shookwun]

I agree it is quite discouraging especially with how people were hyping it up. But you are lying if you do not notice that there is increased thickiness. Is incontrovertible. However that is not what we were hoping for, but to thicken hair that have definitely miniaturized in a old man is something. Don’t get me wrong I understand that these photos are a major let down, but the level of your pessimism is overzealous. Without question does have some effect. I would say comparable to finasteride and minoxidil only difference is a man over 50 with that severe of balding would almost certainly have no benefit from those, it’s either gone by that time or gets patchy and remains stagnant.

could easily be achieved with minoxidil.

Right, brotzu, a glorified minoxidil.

 

[Toby0823]

Most who hyped it on a bullshit basis embodied one or more of the following lines of thinking

Such people get to learn the hard way to make evidence-based conclusions, rather than relying on flimsy logic as detailed above. The focus should always have been on sound trichological data.

Those easily seduced by snake oil will surely find a salesman to satisfy them. Afterall, the latter doesn't get to exist without the former.

I see a lot of balding clowns in this forum post something like “the science in this makes sense, it’s going to work”.

1. A lot of the people in this forum are balding burger flippers that work in fast food restaurants with nothing but high school education. The hell you know what makes sense or not.

2. Being desperate enough to make yourself believe in BS. Brotzu literally spit in all your faces, didn’t even try to hide that it’s a scam....balding morons still trying to get more info and/or make their homemade Italian lotions lmao. f*****g balding weirdos man.

3. Everything is a scam or just an idea unless you see definitive and credible proof , along the lines of a person going from balding/bald (nw4/6) to thick enough hair (nw2/3). The desperate balding losers see it the other way, it’s a sure fire cure until we don’t hear from the researcher after 4yrs of silence.

Go back to when this forum first started, bunch of naive idiots saying the cure is 5yrs away. It’s 2018 and it’s the same sh*t, with younger balding idiots. Oh “but the science is better now than it was then”? Well you see, they said that back then as well....

 

[Dogma]

could easily be achieved with minoxidil.

Right, brotzu, a glorified minoxidil.

Yes if you are young and your hair loss is minor, as I said minoxidil Is almost certain to do nothing for a man with advance balding like that picture and is over 50.

 

[Dogma]

3. Everything is a scam or just an idea unless you see definitive and credible proof , along the lines of a person going from balding/bald (nw4/6) to thick enough hair (nw2/3). The desperate balding losers see it the other way, it’s a sure fire cure until we don’t hear from the researcher after 4yrs of silence.

Go back to when this forum first started, bunch of naive idiots saying the cure is 5yrs away. It’s 2018 and it’s the same sh*t, with younger balding idiots. Oh “but the science is better now than it was then”? Well you see, they said that back then as well....

Incorrect the results do not have to be that drastic for it to be a successful treatment or as you said not a scam. If there is a treatment of any method that causes maintenance with no sides… That is a successful treatment. If there is a product that can turn some vellus hairs into terminal hairs that is a fantastic treatment, if it can do it to 60% plus of miniaturized pairs well then that is a legitimate cure for the young with minor hair loss.

Hair loss is complicated, as are it’s treatments. It is literally idiotic to say anything is a scam unless it can turn a Norwood 6 to a 3. This lotion is redundant to what I am talking to you about, I’m not defending it… I’m just stating how ridiculous your perspective is.

“Balding idiots...” you went from making a ridiculous statement to becoming a very sad person. You are on a hair loss fourm you come here to just point out people are balding? It’s pathetic. And finally, I am a quadriplegic after suffering a spinal cord injury I follow the clinical trials and research in that field. They literally make the same bullshit statement in those forums when trying to mock those that are optimistic about new research:
The age old “but the science is better now, yes that’s what they were saying 20 years ago, etc.”. The thing is (and I am willing to bet you don’t know a thing about something as complicated as SCI research) it is literally in incontrovertible fact that the technology being researched right now is far more advanced than even 8 years ago. At that time embryonic stem cells was all the hubbub, well now they are not only dangerous they are obsolete to various forms of adult stem cells. Not to mention certain peptides, enzymes, epidural stimulators, etc. The research progresses, albeit slowly but that is a fact of any field of research.

 

[Ollie]

I see a lot of balding clowns in this forum post something like “the science in this makes sense, it’s going to work”.

1. A lot of the people in this forum are balding burger flippers that work in fast food restaurants with nothing but high school education. The hell you know what makes sense or not.

2. Being desperate enough to make yourself believe in BS. Brotzu literally spit in all your faces, didn’t even try to hide that it’s a scam....balding morons still trying to get more info and/or make their homemade Italian lotions lmao. f*****g balding weirdos man.

3. Everything is a scam or just an idea unless you see definitive and credible proof , along the lines of a person going from balding/bald (nw4/6) to thick enough hair (nw2/3). The desperate balding losers see it the other way, it’s a sure fire cure until we don’t hear from the researcher after 4yrs of silence.

Go back to when this forum first started, bunch of naive idiots saying the cure is 5yrs away. It’s 2018 and it’s the same sh*t, with younger balding idiots. Oh “but the science is better now than it was then”? Well you see, they said that back then as well....

Literally everyone one of your posts indirectly insults everyone on this forum, whilst more often than not insinuating that you yourself are not bald nor are you balding . So what Norwood are you ?

 

[Dogma]

Literally everyone one of your posts indirectly insults everyone on this forum, whilst more often than not insinuating that you yourself are not bald nor are you balding . So what Norwood are you ?

It really is disgusting behavior, but there is no reason to be perturbed. Clearly just a sad, bitter individual for whatever reason.

 

[Janks16]

Personally, I was underwhelmed, but we won't have a real understanding of this lotion's efficacy until it's out in the world and users are providing feedback over time.

 

[TK421]

I see a lot of balding clowns in this forum post something like “the science in this makes sense, it’s going to work”.

1. A lot of the people in this forum are balding burger flippers that work in fast food restaurants with nothing but high school education. The hell you know what makes sense or not.

2. Being desperate enough to make yourself believe in BS. Brotzu literally spit in all your faces, didn’t even try to hide that it’s a scam....balding morons still trying to get more info and/or make their homemade Italian lotions lmao. f*****g balding weirdos man.

3. Everything is a scam or just an idea unless you see definitive and credible proof , along the lines of a person going from balding/bald (nw4/6) to thick enough hair (nw2/3). The desperate balding losers see it the other way, it’s a sure fire cure until we don’t hear from the researcher after 4yrs of silence.

Go back to when this forum first started, bunch of naive idiots saying the cure is 5yrs away. It’s 2018 and it’s the same sh*t, with younger balding idiots. Oh “but the science is better now than it was then”? Well you see, they said that back then as well....

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

I see a lot of balding clowns in this forum post something like “the science in this makes sense, it’s going to work”.

1. A lot of the people in this forum are balding burger flippers that work in fast food restaurants with nothing but high school education. The hell you know what makes sense or not.

2. Being desperate enough to make yourself believe in BS. Brotzu literally spit in all your faces, didn’t even try to hide that it’s a scam....balding morons still trying to get more info and/or make their homemade Italian lotions lmao. f*****g balding weirdos man.

3. Everything is a scam or just an idea unless you see definitive and credible proof , along the lines of a person going from balding/bald (nw4/6) to thick enough hair (nw2/3). The desperate balding losers see it the other way, it’s a sure fire cure until we don’t hear from the researcher after 4yrs of silence.

Go back to when this forum first started, bunch of naive idiots saying the cure is 5yrs away. It’s 2018 and it’s the same sh*t, with younger balding idiots. Oh “but the science is better now than it was then”? Well you see, they said that back then as well....

I will NOT be the object of your frustration. I have seen your posts throughout this forum and they are quite irritating. Not only do you incessantly continue to post the same sentiments, but you borderline harrass other users and display aggression. There is a difference between engaging in passionate discourse and debate, and being a condescending a**h** who talks a LOT but listens little. You seem unable to distinguish the two. Let me assure you that you fall in the latter category - your behavior is neither civil nor constructive.

You don't know very much about the hair loss field, scientific research, or product commercialization - this much has been apparent to me through the posts you loudly project in every other thread. You're mad. Anyone who says there will be progress makes you mad. Great.

As you are now, I don't care for your opinion nor do I want to have a discussion with you. Come back with something more than energetic douchebaggery and I will be happy to have a conversation with you.

I will reciprocate respect with respect. If you want to be disrespectful to me and everyone else on this forum - nevermind what your opinions are toward hair loss - then you can be sure that I will repay you in kind and tell you to f*** off. Especially after you insinuate that I am some kind of ignorant "burger-flipping" fool. For your information I am a scientist and engineer by profession, so yeah, I think I am going to keep evaluating the field sans your opinion.

Here's a black pill for you, since you are so bent on black pilling everyone - most of what you say is wrong and you don't seem to know how progress is made in science.

Unless you want to gain some humility and have a civil conversation with me, don't expect a reply. You're thus far only robbing me of my time, posting nothing of substance.