I Missed The Brotzu Presentation, Was It A Bust? ( I Have Seen Two Pictures)

[Cue Bald]

i can still gloat i posted even before april 14 that it would be a waste of time and did the people who disliked my posts go back and un-dislike them? nooope.

this exact same scenario has come and gone at least 5 times since i've been on hair loss boards.
if you want to be very depressed - just go and click page 154 of this forum and have a read, and see how much deja vu occurs:

a) some phony treatment will be posted, with a few badly taken pictures showing regrowth
b) someone else posts their girlfriends mothers friends son has access to this treatment and regrew a NW1
c) the poster will claim it definitely works because of <some nonsense sciencey reason>
d) most of the board goes nuts trying to get the lotion, a group buy starts
e) a few skeptics post that they don't believe it
f) those skeptics get flamed because of the sciency reason means the treatment must work
g) the group buy people recieve their product and try it out

then the thread goes dark as people realise 1 by 1 the thing doesn't work and they have wasted their time...
but the sad thing is oftentimes these very same people will jump on the very next bandwagon that comes along, not learning their lesson at all.

we had it with Dr Gho, then HM, (people planning their futures around getting HM) then balayam (bald i am)

honestly you guys would all be doing Balayam if it was posted here this year -it was some nonsense Indian Aryuvedic thing, you had to rub your fingernails on your scalp for 1-3 hours every day for 6 months, one guy posted it regrew his hair so literally half the board on HLH was rubbing their scalps for hours a day... after 6 months nobody had regrown anything at all, but ofc all those posters who vigorously defended it would never comment on it again as if it never happened.

one of the reasons people said Balayam was true, was that the person who started it off wasn't gaining anything by doing it, so if it was a scam why would he do it? he wasn't getting paid therefor it must be true. - of course the person who started it probably thought it was working (nevermind he was on finasteride and min too) - after all, the green tea quacks honestly think their lotion regrows hair too (even as it dissapears more in every video they upload)

if anyone has the true cure - they will be posting lots of good quality photos showing clear regrowth. if not, it's a scam. end of.
no blurry pictures, no pictures showing what might be regrowth but what might be lighting and longer hair, no just 1 single picture.

 

[Kev123]

at least we know it stops hair loss on someone who is so old that his hairloss has stopped naturally , better than nothing !

This keeps being repeated.

Is this what people have fabricated or is it fact?

How do people know that this older man didn't just start balding recently? Do Brotzu lotion believers think this man had been balding for a long time and his hair loss stopped itself, and then the all powerful lotion thickened some hair? Is this the new narrative?

I think people should just leave it at, "a man, possibly elderly, seemed to have thickened his hair with the lotion". But all this other special effects, made-up details that people are coming up with, all these assumptions, that's what made some of you so disappointed at this presentation. You hyped so many things, falsely clinging on to fabricated things that nobody but regular posters made up.

 

[Kev123]

Most who hyped it on a bullshit basis embodied one or more of the following lines of thinking:

-Brotzu is famous/smart/a professor so his word is true.
-A friend of a friend said the lotion worked.
-The doctor said it worked well and he wouldn't risk his reputation.
-A guy named Beps logged on and gave a confirmation.
-There is some positive correlation between having faith in the lotion and the lotion's efficacy.
-The lotion is patented.
-The patent was bought by a mid-size pharmaceutical company primarily producing hyaluronic acid (dermal fillers).
-The lotion was purported to be effective for alopecia areata.
-Equol will certainly address the hormonal basis of androgenetic alopecia; i.e. the claimed regrowth and halting of hair loss over short time scales lends credibility to the claim that the lotion can stop androgenetic alopecia.
-The doctor discovered the lotion a long time ago and presumably has worked on it a lot.
-One or two women peripherally or directly involved with treatment for alopecia areata under the guidance of Brotzu claim that the lotion is effective.
-Fidia was running a trial of the lotion.
-Brotzu gave a conference presentation (or two).

Such people get to learn the hard way to make evidence-based conclusions, rather than relying on flimsy logic as detailed above. The focus should always have been on sound trichological data.

If Brotzu shows up tomorrow with spectacular evidence for his spectacular claims, I'd happily rejoice.

But to see this lotion's thread explode with attention as it has for the past few years is somewhat ghastly. Yet again, bald men (and some women) flock, mouths agape and eyes glazed, at even the slightest utterance of salvation from their predicament - nevermind the evidence.

Meanwhile, however, technologies (such as RCH-01) with legitimate clinical trials, in-depth science (that is, mechanistic explations of the principle of the product along with clear corroborating evidence), and sound financial backing receive just a fraction of the attention, all because they take time to develop and their claims are rather sobering, like suggesting little expectation of regrowth but instead a cessation of miniaturization (a remarkable milestone if achieved, considering it would be a one-time treatment).

Those easily seduced by snake oil will surely find a salesman to satisfy them. Afterall, the latter doesn't get to exist without the former.

 

[Jnix]

5 more years ya'll.

 

[itsjustsimon]

Brotzu was hyped by 20year olds with NW0-minus-3-hair who were afraid of finasteride because they’ve read a couple of threads on propeciahelp how finasteride is chopping the dicks. Where are these kids now? They all died because they’ve been forced to take finasteride.

Joking aside, if the treatment does not show any before after hair count number, it shouldn’t be taken seriously. Photos are bullshit.

 

[Toby0823]

I will NOT be the object of your frustration. I have seen your posts throughout this forum and they are quite irritating. Not only do you incessantly continue to post the same sentiments, but you borderline harrass other users and display aggression. There is a difference between engaging in passionate discourse and debate, and being a condescending a**h** who talks a LOT but listens little. You seem unable to distinguish the two. Let me assure you that you fall in the latter category - your behavior is neither civil nor constructive.

You don't know very much about the hair loss field, scientific research, or product commercialization - this much has been apparent to me through the posts you loudly project in every other thread. You're mad. Anyone who says there will be progress makes you mad. Great.

As you are now, I don't care for your opinion nor do I want to have a discussion with you. Come back with something more than energetic douchebaggery and I will be happy to have a conversation with you.

I will reciprocate respect with respect. If you want to be disrespectful to me and everyone else on this forum - nevermind what your opinions are toward hair loss - then you can be sure that I will repay you in kind and tell you to f*** off. Especially after you insinuate that I am some kind of ignorant "burger-flipping" fool. For your information I am a scientist and engineer by profession, so yeah, I think I am going to keep evaluating the field sans your opinion.

Here's a black pill for you, since you are so bent on black pilling everyone - most of what you say is wrong and you don't seem to know how progress is made in science.

Unless you want to gain some humility and have a civil conversation with me, don't expect a reply. You're thus far only robbing me of my time, posting nothing of substance.

Haha you wrote a story book length reply then finish it off with “you’re thus only robbing me of my time”. You must be one of those baldies that use laser helmets.

First off I didn’t read your reply outside of the last sentence bcs it’s long as sh*t and I don’t care what you or anyone thinks. Secondly, everyone is mad at me bcs I question every unproven crap on the market. You’re all mad at me with your balding heads in 2018 lmao.

 

[TK421]

Haha you wrote a story book length reply then finish it off with “you’re thus only robbing me of my time”. You must be one of those baldies that use laser helmets.

First off I didn’t read your reply outside of the last sentence bcs it’s long as sh*t and I don’t care what you or anyone thinks. Secondly, everyone is mad at me bcs I question every unproven crap on the market. You’re all mad at me with your balding heads in 2018 lmao.

I'm gonna assume people are mad at you not because you are skeptical about up and coming treatments, but because you're always referring to everyone as a balding loser just for not agreeing with you.

 

[leMiserable]

Haha you wrote a story book length reply then finish it off with “you’re thus only robbing me of my time”. You must be one of those baldies that use laser helmets.

First off I didn’t read your reply outside of the last sentence bcs it’s long as sh*t and I don’t care what you or anyone thinks. Secondly, everyone is mad at me bcs I question every unproven crap on the market. You’re all mad at me with your balding heads in 2018 lmao.

And who the hell are you bruv? You some kind of internet thug? Behave yourself you balding-peasant-in-denial, get a grip on reality mate you're losing it more rapidly than your hairs.

 

[RoyMunsonned]

Just the name "Brotzu lotion" reeks of snake-oil bullshit to me. I've never even bothered to find out what's supposed to be in it, just waited for the inevitable.

 

[Toby0823]

And who the hell are you bruv? You some kind of internet thug? Behave yourself you balding-peasant-in-denial, get a grip on reality mate you're losing it more rapidly than your hairs.

I’m some guy in a balding forum, you sensitive bald fool.

 

[nohairnolife]

Literally everyone one of your posts indirectly insults everyone on this forum, whilst more often than not insinuating that you yourself are not bald nor are you balding . So what Norwood are you ?

He genuinely believes the only people who can understand any scientific theory are members of some Super-Secret Sanctioned Scientists Society

 

[Recon_s]

Wasn't it that member called "thatguy" that was going around pontificating about the lotion how it worked when it was being released and all that good stuff before it was even tested?? And if anyone said different or questioned him he would sh*t all over them??? where is he or his buddies now?

 

[Javell]

Wasn't it that member called "thatguy" that was going around pontificating about the lotion how it worked when it was being released and all that good stuff before it was even tested?? And if anyone said different or questioned him he would sh*t all over them??? where is he or his buddies now?

He never said that. He expected this to be an alternative to finasteride. After 2016 launch fiasco he turned to non-believer.

 

[Recon_s]

He never said that. He expected this to be an alternative to finasteride. After 2016 launch fiasco he turned to non-believer.

Maybe I have the wrong person they for sure had the same avatar as "thatguy"... I checked my old posts I cant find him or any trace of him account must be deleted...either way there should be a rule on this site if you make a claim prove it until then shut the f*** up and sit down. Go look at the Daro thread same sh*t happening in their one guy claiming results and everyone else is failing yet not one shred of evidence has been put forward to validate their claim...and as usually a load of sheep are following and dare you question anything or they all jump on you as if your the crazy one

 

[Javell]

Maybe I have the wrong person they for sure had the same avatar as "thatguy"... I checked my old posts I cant find him or any trace of him account must be deleted...either way there should be a rule on this site if you make a claim prove it until then shut the f*** up and sit down. Go look at the Daro thread same sh*t happening in their one guy claiming results and everyone else is failing yet not one shred of evidence has been put forward to validate their claim...and as usually a load of sheep are following and dare you question anything or they all jump on you as if your the crazy one

Were you talking about @The 7TH Sense since he also had Tsuji avatar in 2016-2018.
He is still a dreamer/believer and was from the very first day. He can't see Toppik in homemade crown photos since he never used it and thinks that it is legit, also Areata moms told him so.

 

[Recon_s]

Maybe it could of been him

 

[Jonnyyy]

This thread is filled with people who really did believe in brotzu and now want to act like they all along knew it was a scam, I don't want to say too much about the new forum, let's just say it's going extremely successful and some crazy things are happening, if any of you posters wanna join let me know.

 

[Sam1]

Well don’t think a major Pharma would purchase the rights to a snake oil or go as far to get it patented.
Trying be to optimistic and hoping it still gets released this year. Come on Fidia!

 

[jiggo]

What is with the one guy who posted before/after pictures in the italian forum which showed recover on temples and crown? He claimed that he used the brotzu lotion for 2 months. Was that fake?

 

[Kagaho]

Well don’t think a major Pharma would purchase the rights to a snake oil or go as far to get it patented.
Trying be to optimistic and hoping it still gets released this year. Come on Fidia!

Fidia is far from being "Major Pharma".