Is Anyone Using spironolactone + Duta For Awhile Without Sides?

[arnoldd]

No. Definitively no.
I have alopecia androgenetic, no doubt about it ... I tried to up my dose of dutasteride to 6 pills a day ... no more itchy scalp. But I can't keep that high dose for so long and it will never end.
With Cypro 50mg and "only" 0.5mg or 1mg a day I had pretty high libido, really high libido (with high dose dutasteride almost no libido) ... Under castration levels of testosterone but still had libido, weird... Thanks or because of DHT, which was still produced from the small part of Testosterone, and because of high sensitivity of the receptors.
My problem is my androgen receptors are too sensitive to DHT now, that's all. I have DUPA, itchy scalp, all because of that DHT and I'm sure about that. You won't convince me just because you're saying the opposite. You can try, but with something concrete. I would love to have something that is not androgenic alopecia with androgen receptors upregulation.
I'm trying to PGD2 blocker now, I hope it will help.

Well, if you have that super androgen receptors upregulation there is nothing to do bro..all that drugs will only hurt your health. If i were you i would take only 1 duta pills + minoxidil and save money for a hair transplant..

 

[itchymadscalp]

Well, if you have that super androgen receptors upregulation there is nothing to do bro..all that drugs will only hurt your health. If i were you i would take only 1 duta pills + minoxidil and save money for a hair transplant..

Yep. Nothing can work ... If I only follow the hormonal road. I can't stop Dutasteride after so many years of use. I keep it, at a "normal" dose and in the meantime I try to find a way to stop that hair loss without using hormones. PGD2 Road seems to be a better way ... I don't really believe it will work.
I can't get hair transplant, it's too risky. I'm prone to keloid scars, it could be a disaster. If nothing works I will stay head shaved, maybe add a tattoo ... and try a hair piece or say goodbye forever to my vanity and embrace baldness and ugliness .....................

 

[pjhair]

Yep. Nothing can work ... If I only follow the hormonal road. I can't stop Dutasteride after so many years of use. I keep it, at a "normal" dose and in the meantime I try to find a way to stop that hair loss without using hormones. PGD2 Road seems to be a better way ... I don't really believe it will work.
I can't get hair transplant, it's too risky. I'm prone to keloid scars, it could be a disaster. If nothing works I will stay head shaved, maybe add a tattoo ... and try a hair piece or say goodbye forever to my vanity and embrace baldness and ugliness .....................

Is the rate of your hair loss same as when you were on finasteride or has it slowed down since you quit?

 

[pjhair]

@itchymadscalp I am wondering if there is a way to completely shut down DHT production. Then it wouldn't matter how sensitive the receptors are(assuming DHT is the only culprit). I have read about people who lack genes to generate DHT. May be some kind of gene therapy can do it?

 

[Calchas]

Nope, normal puberty. I believe the early menopause was from the damage done by anorexia and issues involving pelvic/tubal trauma caused by sexual assault. NEVER used steroids or ever would

I saw your buzzed pics the other day and there was no sign of patterned hair-loss.
I think you're fighting the wrong battle...and you'll probably get wounded for no reason.

 

[Georgie]

I saw your buzzed pics the other day and there was no sign of patterned hair-loss.
I think you're fighting the wrong battle...and you'll probably get wounded for no reason.

It’s Androgenetic Alopecia. Had scalp biopsies. In the beginning my whole hairline recession and sides were the worst. minoxidil helped balance that out although I get synchronised growth and recession now.
My thinnest areas apart from my hairline which has already receded like 4cm again, is the top of my head and the arean just behind the hairline. It’s Androgenetic Alopecia but some fucked up awful Dupa/retrgorade form of it.

 

[itchymadscalp]

@itchymadscalp I am wondering if there is a way to completely shut down DHT production. Then it wouldn't matter how sensitive the receptors are(assuming DHT is the only culprit). I have read about people who lack genes to generate DHT. May be some kind of gene therapy can do it?

I would love to ... But there is only Dutasteride ... at high dose like 2.5mg or higher it can almost annihilate DHT ... but it's too expensive and destroys libido

 

[Calchas]

I would love to ... But there is only Dutasteride ... at high dose like 2.5mg or higher it can almost annihilate DHT ... but it's too expensive and destroys libido

Dude,you seem desperate and ready to sacrifice everything for your hair...I mean...2.5mg duta???
Do you have BDD?
Got any pics to evaluate if you worry is justified?

 

[itchymadscalp]

Dude,you seem desperate and ready to sacrifice everything for your hair...I mean...2.5mg duta???
Do you have BDD?
Got any pics to evaluate if you worry is justified?

I tried 2.5mg and ever more ... But I don't want to do it anymore. After 8 years with no libido, I'm tired of it.
No I don't have BDD. My hair loss is real. Don't want to share pics, it's useless and depressing. I have nothing to justify, I know I have a problem with my hair, I try to find a better solution than Dutasteride, end of the story.

 

[Calchas]

I tried 2.5mg and ever more ... But I don't want to do it anymore. After 8 years with no libido, I'm tired of it.
No I don't have BDD. My hair loss is real. Don't want to share pics, it's useless and depressing. I have nothing to justify, I know I have a problem with my hair, I try to find a better solution than Dutasteride, end of the story.

Don't get me wrong.
There are many people here with imaginary baldness.
People who are NW1 and are contemplating suicide...That's definitely a BDD.
That's why i'm asking...
Sometimes,1 pic =1000 words(or posts in this case)...but some other times,1 word=1000pics.

 

[Calchas]

But I really don't want to take pictures, because when I do that I just want to put acid on my head and jump through a window

Most of the times,we are the most unreliable source to evaluate our own image.

I have my head buzzed right now and i'm still getting compliments in real life.
For most people having their head buzzed, would be misregarded as the last nail on the coffin.

Too much association with something,creates a blinding conformity.

 

[arnoldd]

But I really don't want to take pictures, because when I do that I just want to put acid on my head and jump through a window.

Lol. Here the same. Cant take more pictures. And even im afraid to look myself in the mirror.
Its very frustrating and depressing..this is the worst disease in the world, it brutally ruins your image and there isnt any solution. If you are fat you can diet, you have big nose you can get surgery..ecc but when your hair is gone is gone.

 

[itchymadscalp]

Lol. Here the same. Cant take more pictures. And even im afraid to look myself in the mirror.
Its very frustrating and depressing..this is the worst disease in the world, it brutally ruins your image and there isnt any solution. If you are fat you can diet, you have big nose you can get surgery..ecc but when your hair is gone is gone.

Seriously I think too it's the worst disease, and one among the worst. and I had cancer. And hair loss is still the worst from my point of view. It sounds crazy but I don't mind.
Even the word "mirror" disgusts me ah ah.

 

[Georgie]

Dude,you seem desperate and ready to sacrifice everything for your hair...I mean...2.5mg duta???
Do you have BDD?
Got any pics to evaluate if you worry is justified?

I think we need to take care not to minimise anyone’s issues on this forum. The amount of times I have been told “it’s in your head”, “it’s not that bad”, “just accept it, you can get away with it for now”. Fact is, androgenetic hairloss is progressive, and no matter what your “pattern” is, if you can’t find a treatment that works, you are going to end up looking socially “unacceptable”. Who the f*** wants that? Who wants to look at a balding head in the mirror everyday? No one. Whether you are a NW1, a NW7, a DUPA, retrograde or ALL, you have INCURABLE hairloss, and you are In for a lifetime battle that you may end up 100% losing even with transplants, meds, topicals - whatever. I have a mixture of rapidly progressive retrograde, female pattern thinning on the top, diffuse thinning and BODY hair loss. I can’t even tell you how hard that is to deal with, and I only get sporadic regrowth in minoxidil because the hair cycle of hairs around my hairline are so messed up. I could say “at least you have donor areas”, “at least you have normal eyebrows and eyelashes”, “at least you don’t have fucked hormones that prevent you from ever being normal regardless of your hair”, but I don’t, because we are all suffering. The man with his NW2 still has all of my sympathy, so does the man who’s hair looks perfectly normal, but has a new diagnosis. Shall we not shoot eachother down and say “your perceptions are just skewed”? Years from now when the hairloss is so bad that we have to shave or wear wigs, it’s not going to be “fine”. End rant.

 

[itchymadscalp]

I think we need to take care not to minimise anyone’s issues on this forum. The amount of times I have been told “it’s in your head”, “it’s not that bad”, “just accept it, you can get away with it for now”. Fact is, androgenetic hairloss is progressive, and no matter what your “pattern” is, if you can’t find a treatment that works, you are going to end up looking socially “unacceptable”. Who the f*** wants that? Who wants to look at a balding head in the mirror everyday? No one. Whether you are a NW1, a NW7, a DUPA, retrograde or ALL, you have INCURABLE hairloss, and you are In for a lifetime battle that you may end up 100% losing even with transplants, meds, topicals - whatever. I have a mixture of rapidly progressive retrograde, female pattern thinning on the top, diffuse thinning and BODY hair loss. I can’t even tell you how hard that is to deal with, and I only get sporadic regrowth in minoxidil because the hair cycle of hairs around my hairline are so messed up. I could say “at least you have donor areas”, “at least you have normal eyebrows and eyelashes”, “at least you don’t have fucked hormones that prevent you from ever being normal regardless of your hair”, but I don’t, because we are all suffering. The man with his NW2 still has all of my sympathy, so does the man who’s hair looks perfectly normal, but has a new diagnosis. Shall we not shoot eachother down and say “your perceptions are just skewed”? Years from now when the hairloss is so bad that we have to shave or wear wigs, it’s not going to be “fine”. End rant.

10 years ago I heard that all the time .... it was really fu*k*ng annoying and frustrating. And now they know I was right but it was really a pain when no one want to believe you for something that is so obvious for you :/

 

[Georgie]

10 years ago I heard that all the time .... it was really fu*k*ng annoying and frustrating. And now they know I was right but it was really a pain when no one want to believe you for something that is so obvious for you :/

Yeah just like how for a year and a half I was telling all these doctors that something was really wrong with me and they told me I was just depressed, and it turned out that my f*****g hypothalamus and ovaries stopped working. WE know our own bodies.

 

[Dirty_Harry]

It’s Androgenetic Alopecia. Had scalp biopsies. In the beginning my whole hairline recession and sides were the worst. minoxidil helped balance that out although I get synchronised growth and recession now.
My thinnest areas apart from my hairline which has already receded like 4cm again, is the top of my head and the arean just behind the hairline. It’s Androgenetic Alopecia but some fucked up awful Dupa/retrgorade form of it.

Did you noticed that retrograde type of alopecia after you introduced anti-androgens to your treatment?

 

[Georgie]

Did you noticed that retrograde type of alopecia after you introduced anti-androgens to your treatment?

No. That’s just my type of hairloss. I noticed I was losing hair density in 2014 at first, with emphasis at my nape. A few months later I realised my hairline all around my head was receding in a band-like fashion. I realised my eyebrows and eyelashes were growing back thinner and shorter. By 2015 my hair all around receded to a point were I was on the Norwood scale, and I could no longer wear my hair down. By July 2015, I had been on spironolactone for 2 months and, and the pill
For a while also. I ended up shaving one side of my head and getting a fringe to hide my hairline. In got my diagnoses of Androgenetic Alopecia in August and I had already begun using oral and topical minoxidil by July. My hairline did regrow on minoxidil, but my hair density has only gotten worse over time. spironolactone/the pill/minoxidil never actually stopped the hairloss. minoxidil only regrows my hair for a few months at a time then stops, so I have constant regrowth and recession. These days, my hair all over is very thin, the top of my head (female pattern strip) is the worst, and my hairline regrow was recedes every year. I’ve been on avodart for 3 months and have noticed no positive changes at all, but I have gone through shedding. My hairline was already receding again so I know the avodart hasn’t caused that. Basically I think I’m kind of fucked.

 

[Dirty_Harry]

No. That’s just my type of hairloss. I noticed I was losing hair density in 2014 at first, with emphasis at my nape. A few months later I realised my hairline all around my head was receding in a band-like fashion. I realised my eyebrows and eyelashes were growing back thinner and shorter. By 2015 my hair all around receded to a point were I was on the Norwood scale, and I could no longer wear my hair down. By July 2015, I had been on spironolactone for 2 months and, and the pill
For a while also. I ended up shaving one side of my head and getting a fringe to hide my hairline. In got my diagnoses of Androgenetic Alopecia in August and I had already begun using oral and topical minoxidil by July. My hairline did regrow on minoxidil, but my hair density has only gotten worse over time. spironolactone/the pill/minoxidil never actually stopped the hairloss. minoxidil only regrows my hair for a few months at a time then stops, so I have constant regrowth and recession. These days, my hair all over is very thin, the top of my head (female pattern strip) is the worst, and my hairline regrow was recedes every year. I’ve been on avodart for 3 months and have noticed no positive changes at all, but I have gone through shedding. My hairline was already receding again so I know the avodart hasn’t caused that. Basically I think I’m kind of fucked.

When you tried antiandrogens and experienced regrowth, did you had regrowth or stabilization also in the nape region?

 

[Georgie]

What lash serum do you use ? (you use bimatoprost right? But you need prescription for that I guess it's very expensive).

Hey love

I’ve been using something called “feg eyelash serum” for a while. That is AMAZING. I love love love it and it’s cheap from eBay too. I’ll attach a photo. My mum uses it too and loves it. I got bimatoprost from alldaychemist to see if I works better. I don’t know if it does because I use it with the get as well, but I also use it on my eyebrows and they are doing ok. In the past maybe 3 weeks I’ve been using a few drops on my hairline and the top of my head just to see if anything happens. It’s warly but nothing yet, and those areas continue to recede and get thinner. I’ve also dabbed the FEG on my hairline and middle part for a while to see if it makes a difference, but nothing. If you want something cheap for your lashes though definitely FEG is great. For whatever reason they don’t list all the ingredients, but it works.