Is It Possible To Counteract The Skin/collagen Side Effects From Minoxidil?

[yetti]

Since I started it I don't lose much hair in the shower. I know it's hard to tell and it was probably a gimmick to say it was more effective but the side effects definitely come from using the foam.

sounds to me like you should stick with the liquid if you get all those side effects from the foam. maybe increase the amt of the liquid a little or come up with a more effective way to apply what you are using.

 

[Tonixity]

sounds to me like you should stick with the liquid if you get all those side effects from the foam. maybe increase the amt of the liquid a little or come up with a more effective way to apply what you are using.

Should I wait a few weeks to check if the foam stabilizes? Maybe I need to get used to the foam? Maybe those side effects are all in my head too.... this area around my eyes is weird like I feel my eyes are smaller and it's turnint black under my eyes. My face is getting so oily too maybe it's because it's winter now.

 

[yetti]

Should I wait a few weeks to check if the foam stabilizes? Maybe I need to get used to the foam? Maybe those side effects are all in my head too.... this area around my eyes is weird like I feel my eyes are smaller and it's turnint black under my eyes. My face is getting so oily too maybe it's because it's winter now.

well i mean if you think the side effects may not even exist then its impossible to give advice you know? sounds like you want to give it some more time though

 

[Tonixity]

well i mean if you think the side effects may not even exist then its impossible to give advice you know? sounds like you want to give it some more time though

Should i go all liquid again? Is it ok to switch like they between foam and liquid in such short periods of time?

 

[IdealForehead]

vit E too

Problem with vit E is same as azelaic acid - great for skin. sh*t solubility in water/ethanol.

And I have to do a water/ethanol serum as any other base ingredients seem to inflame my skin and give me acne. Pretty much every over the counter cream gives me acne. Very annoying.

Water based serums though are beautiful.

I'm gonna try to mix a test batch tonight with all the random sh*t I have and see what it's like. Trial and error.

 

[IdealForehead]

First formulation attempt, with links to where you can buy this sh*t (stores I've used before). I'm bored, this entertains me, and I need to keep track of my progress, so I will post incremental updates as I re-formulate in pursuit of an ideal skin care serum.

Did the batch with 9 mL water & 1 mL ethanol (so 5% = 0.5 g, 4% = 0.4 g, 1% = 0.1 g).

5% Sodium ascorbyl phosphate - this is the standard anti-acne dose.
5% Niacinamide - strong anti-acne and anti-wrinkle dose
4% N-acetyl glucosamine - cheap and should be nice on skin with studies testing it at 4%
1% Hydrolyzed collagen - arbitrary low percentage
1% Pearl powder - arbitrary low percentage
1% ULMW hyaluronic acid - arbitrary low percentage

Not useful:
Azelaic azid - minimal solubility.
DL panthenol - makes things too sticky - putting it in my hair treatment though for shits and giggles
Alpha lipoic acid - only 50 mg/mL ethanol solubility, and probably poor water solubility (fat soluble).
CoQ10 - fat soluble only.

Holding off:
Palmitoyl Tripeptide 5 - super expensive, I ordered 1 gram 2 years ago from Chao Li (chaoli@plantbio.com.cn) for USD119.00. I'm not even sure if what I have is legit... Holding off on this for now til I have a reasonable working baseline treatment first.

Ethanol:
Note that any serum with glucosamine, collagen, or hyaluronic acid powders will typically turn rancid unless there is a preservative. I find preservatives cause breakouts. Ethanol works as a preservative and also a penetration enhancer. So that's the rationale for that.

Assessment
Batch was made and tested. Findings were as follows:

- Probably much too much ethanol. Feels drying on the skin. Will try 5% ethanol next batch instead (down from 10%).
- Hydrolyzed collagen powder smells like urine. Forgot about that. Ugh. Problem is the only way to replace this ingredient's mechanism of action is with synthetic peptides (like tripeptide-5 or matrixyl, etc.) which are expensive as f***.
- These are all relatively cheap ingredients which is good. There is no reason this should be expensive, except if it comes to synthetic peptides. May not have a choice though if I don't want to smell like pee all day.

Will try a new batch by tomorrow.

 

[IdealForehead]

Oh sh*t my buddies at Xi'An Lyphar carry all the best peptides!

Pal GHK & Pal GQPR 1:1 Mix (Matrixyl)
Pal KVK (Tripeptide 5)
Pal GQPR (Tetrapeptide 3)
Pal GHK (Oligopeptide)

Buying some Matrixyl and Tripeptide 5 and combining them 2:1 would give you an equal blend of the three best peptides (Pal-GHK, Pal-GQPR, Pal-KVK).

Very expensive but better than smelling like pee with hydrolyzed collagen powder. I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a few grams of each.

 

[bridgeburn]

Hydrolyzed collagen powder smells like urine.

I wonder if rubbing piss on your face would also be good for skin?

 

[IdealForehead]

I wonder if rubbing piss on your face would also be good for skin?

People do it all the time.

I'm not keen on it though.

 

[bridgeburn]

People do it all the time.

I'm not keen on it though.

 

[yetti]

Should i go all liquid again? Is it ok to switch like they between foam and liquid in such short periods of time?

Impossible for anyone to answer these questions. But if I were you, yeah I'd go all liquid again

 

[Rocknroutlaw]

Ive been taking collagen powder by Planet Paleo over the last two months. Whether it helps the hair growth, I guess it'll be hard to quantify...but I would think I can also benefit from it in other ways. It is believed by some that collagen powder will not be directly absorbed; it more or less acts like eating protein. I'll persist for a year or so and see how I feel.

 

[IdealForehead]

Some grapefruit essential oils drops might help giving a better smell and also acts as a natural preservative

Oils are incredible and I wish I could use them. I know people that use coconut oil on their face and get amazing results. I've tried many of the so called best oils like argan oil and they all give me acne. So I'm working completely oil free for this.

Just bought 1 gram of each peptide from Lyphar.

 

[IdealForehead]

I actually use a mix of oils for the area around my eyes. It's from the label CHO and it works very well. I use coconut oil for everything : cooking, skin, to whitten the teeth.
Although essential oils are different. What cause you acne must be the greasy texture, it's not the case with EO.
I suggest you try with a lil bit of grapefruit EO for conservation and vit C + rose EO (just 3 drops top).
Although I understand that de need to counteract minoxidil side effects, i think that the lookism, surgery, rating things are Bad for all of us... It's doing more harm than good to people here. We do not have to be perfect, it's not healthy to think this way. I am even hesitating at leaving this place (even though I like talking to some people here) because i think it's going too far and building misconceptions in the youngest brains.

I tried rosehip oil and it gives me acne too. I can use cococnut oil on my body but not on my face. I think you're right and most people would probably benefit from those things but I've spend way too much money on fancy oils already with always the same outcome.

The world will continue to be incredibly superficial whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Especially for us men, our opportunities for dating and sex now rely more than ever on our appearance. Girls won't match to us on Tinder or talk to us online or in bars and clubs if we are physically subpar. For me this is all practical. I've had major jaw surgery so I know what it's like to see your appearance jump a point or two. Lookism is very real in our society. Being better looking is a worthwhile goal to strive for if you're below average.

 

[Seuxin]

sh*t, i always was thinking Cooper pepitdes ( GHK-CU) was the best in order to reverse skin aging...

 

[IdealForehead]

sh*t, i always was thinking Cooper pepitdes ( GHK-CU) was the best in order to reverse skin aging...

So did i. I spent a lot of money on the trial. I have 100 grams still in my fridge.

Like I said I think you just have to be cautious of the copper component which may be destructive to collagen in high doses.

If you get palmitoyl peptides like the ones linked above at xi'an lyphar you should get the same benefit without that risk. Eg. Pal-GHK instead of GHK-Cu.

Peptides overall are probably the strongest agents we have to work with. And without the drying effects of retinoids.

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

I tried rosehip oil and it gives me acne too. I can use cococnut oil on my body but not on my face. I think you're right and most people would probably benefit from those things but I've spend way too much money on fancy oils already with always the same outcome.

The world will continue to be incredibly superficial whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Especially for us men, our opportunities for dating and sex now rely more than ever on our appearance. Girls won't match to us on Tinder or talk to us online or in bars and clubs if we are physically subpar. For me this is all practical. I've had major jaw surgery so I know what it's like to see your appearance jump a point or two. Lookism is very real in our society. Being better looking is a worthwhile goal to strive for if you're below average.

As i agree with looks being important, turning this place into LookismTalk can do more harm than good, not just for the youngest brains but for every people with insecurities to start with, and as a i enjoy this place and most of posters here, the feels rollercoaster between fun, LDAR, lookism, hairloss, humblebrags, surgery, cope, redpill, suicide talks can be tough sometimes.Especially to the point where good looking people like davey talks about lips surgery, i mean come on, this is obviously way too far here.We're all daily struggling over our appearance and we all know Lookism is definetly real.
So yeah, looksmaxx can be a worthwile goal, but can also litteraly obliterate people in their own disorders, there's a fine line between the will of improving yourself and a full major looks crisis.
And don't bring genders on the table, women hypergamy is a thing and we pretty much all experienced it, but as we discussed earlier, you're also chasing the top +30% like women, relatable yes as we all want the same, but they are in the same sh*t as us regarding opportunities, never saw a Chad chasing a subpar woman so far, people tend to looksmatch.
Never ending debate here that caused many members to leave this place this Christmas

 

[IdealForehead]

As i agree with looks being important, turning this place into LookismTalk can do more harm than good, not just for the youngest brains but for every people with insecurities to start with, and as a i enjoy this place and most of posters here, the feels rollercoaster between fun, LDAR, lookism, hairloss, humblebrags, surgery, cope, redpill, suicide talks can be tough sometimes.Especially to the point where good looking people like davey talks about lips surgery, i mean come on, this is obviously way too far here.We're all daily struggling over our appearance and we all know Lookism is definetly real.
So yeah, looksmaxx can be a worthwile goal, but can also litteraly obliterate people in their own disorders, there's a fine line between the will of improving yourself and a full major looks crisis.
And don't bring genders on the table, women hypergamy is a thing and we pretty much all experienced it, but as we discussed earlier, you're also chasing the top +30% like women, relatable yes as we all want the same, but they are in the same sh*t as us regarding opportunities, never saw a Chad chasing a subpar woman so far, people tend to looksmatch.
Never ending debate here that caused many members to leave this place this Christmas

I agree 100% with every word you said. eg. Dave wanting to get lip and forehead surgery when he has hundreds of girls matching to him on Tinder is body dysmorphia of the highest order. Yeah that's a problem.

But I would also like to say that I think "incel culture" is spreading and growing and no matter what anyone does, it will not stop or be contained.

I think the real catalyst for all this has been online dating. Up til now, everyone would tell you if you did bad with women, you just need to try harder, or work on your personality, or be more funny/interesting, etc. And I think people mostly believed it.

But now, a guy who is suffering can simply change his pictures online to a better looking guy and get instantly 500%+ the results without anything else changing about them. All of a sudden, girls want to talk to them. They don't have a "bad personality" anymore. Girls laugh at their stupid jokes on the apps, girls offer their phone numbers.

The thing is - the cat can't go back into the bag on that one. Technology let it out, and the fallout is spreading for young men's self-perceptions and ideals of what are important for them.

Someone mentioned a new incel site on this site, at incels.me. I checked it out, and it's only been around 4-5 weeks, yet has 70,000 posts! This is insane! They had 50,000 posts in 3 weeks! Can you imagine? Obviously that's mostly because these guys are sitting around complaining all day. But the point is the number of guys who feel dejected and rejected by society is massive and likely growing.

I think all this stuff is becoming more and more mainstream, and I think it will spread throughout the Internet and real life as well. Another example is bodybuilding.com's misc section, which once was just a place for Chads to shoot the sh*t, but in recent years has also become "inceltalk dot com" as EvilLocks called it.

I don't think there's any escape. It's a type of progress. Toward what I can't say. Maybe Japan's social situation?

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

I agree 100% with every word you said. eg. Dave wanting to get lip and forehead surgery when he has hundreds of girls matching to him on Tinder is body dysmorphia of the highest order. Yeah that's a problem.

But I would also like to say that I think "incel culture" is spreading and growing and no matter what anyone does, it will not stop or be contained.

I think the real catalyst for all this has been online dating. Up til now, everyone would tell you if you did bad with women, you just need to try harder, or work on your personality, or be more funny/interesting, etc. And I think people mostly believed it.

But now, a guy who is suffering can simply change his pictures online to a better looking guy and get instantly 500%+ the results without anything else changing about them. All of a sudden, girls want to talk to them. They don't have a "bad personality" anymore. Girls laugh at their stupid jokes on the apps, girls offer their phone numbers.

The thing is - the cat can't go back into the bag on that one. Technology let it out, and the fallout is spreading for young men's self-perceptions and ideals of what are important for them.

Someone mentioned a new incel site on this site, at incels.me. I checked it out, and it's only been around 4-5 weeks, yet has 70,000 posts! This is insane! They had 50,000 posts in 3 weeks! Can you imagine? Obviously that's mostly because these guys are sitting around complaining all day. But the point is the number of guys who feel dejected and rejected by society is massive and likely growing.

I think all this stuff is becoming more and more mainstream, and I think it will spread throughout the Internet and real life as well. Another example is bodybuilding.com's misc section, which once was just a place for Chads to shoot the sh*t, but in recent years has also become "inceltalk dot com" as EvilLocks called it.

I don't think there's any escape. It's a type of progress. Toward what I can't say. Maybe Japan's social situation?

I guess you're right, gonna finish this sweet whisky bottle and add a few sleeping pills, full Heath Ledger mode

 

[IdealForehead]

I guess you're right, gonna finish this sweet whisky bottle and add a few sleeping pills, full Heath Ledger mode

Easy buddy Jesus! That just went from 0 to 100 fast. Hope you're joking! f***.

I've been short and ugly my whole life and I'm not planning to kill myself. Just because people want to talk about and commiserate over being at the bottom of the social totem poll doesn't mean anyone needs to start killing themselves.