It seems like there's people everywhere doing hair cloning now.

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I found this gentleman today by the name of Alexander Demidovich, from Russia. He's doing hair cloning. He has a technology for obtaining hair germs from SKPs (Bulge zone) cells. He is looking for a business partner to create a company to cure hair loss. Check out his video and proposal: Cloning hair. (hair germ). - YouTube Looking for someone to start a business.Production of bioengineered hair for tra - Research Idea, Design and Collaboration - BioForum (protocol-online.org).

It's great how many people have now gotten into the hair cloning business but really it doesn't mean squat if all we can do with it is grow it in mice and petri dishes. If doing hair transplants has been figured out at this point I really cannot see why hair implantation by cloning isn't also workable. The major problem is making sure the cloned cells stay as hair cells. dNovo has proven quality human hairs and thickness is possible to replicate, at least in mice. There is biodegradable scaffolding to be sure the hairs grow in the correct direction. The question is will the hair grow in humans? It seems when it comes to humans the clinical trials are failures up to this point.
 

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"@jan miedza In my 2019 research, I got embrions (early anagen).And I think that was the first step.The next step, I plan to inject the embryos into the cultured skin system. Next, mature grafts should be obtained that can be used using traditional transplant technology. In this case, the marriage can be weeded out, by thickness and color.About quantity: from one petri dish with a diameter of 50 mm, several hundred embryos can be obtained. This method will allow you to become a real Yeti. "
 

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"@jan miedza In my 2019 research, I got embrions (early anagen).And I think that was the first step.The next step, I plan to inject the embryos into the cultured skin system. Next, mature grafts should be obtained that can be used using traditional transplant technology. In this case, the marriage can be weeded out, by thickness and color.About quantity: from one petri dish with a diameter of 50 mm, several hundred embryos can be obtained. This method will allow you to become a real Yeti. "
Desperete people will jump into everything what is offered on the market.

Russia has very good educational system. They are one of the best students in mathematics, physics, chemistry, engineering, medicine, even Alexey from Stemson is Russian, but the system is corrupted, and there you can sell anything.

Btw, who is that guy Alexander Demidovich? Is he a scientist and professor on some credible university? What is his education and bio? And contribution to science? You remember Hairoid company? They shared videos and photos, as well, and by the end they were fraud. This guy wants to collect money through YouTube? Come one. Which serious scientist or company is going through the same way?

DNovo is new company, came from nowhere, but we can see that guy behind this company is truly legit scientist, educated on top universities, has published tons of papers in journals. It is different story. We doesn’t know nothing about this guy Alexander.

That’s why FDA is good.

 

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Ok, let give this guy a chance. Maybe he is not fake and catfish. We can see from the video that he is balding too. Why he is not testing the technology on himself?

 

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Desperete people will jump into everything what is offered on the market.

Russia has very good educational system. They are one of the best students in mathematics, physics, chemistry, engineering, medicine, even Alexey from Stemson is Russian, but the system is corrupted, and there you can sell anything.

Btw, who is that guy Alexander Demidovich? Is he a scientist and professor on some credible university? What is his education and bio? And contribution to science? You remember Hairoid company? They shared videos and photos, as well, and by the end they were fraud. This guy wants to collect money through YouTube? Come one. Which serious scientist or company is going through the same way?

DNovo is new company, came from nowhere, but we can see that guy behind this company is truly legit scientist, educated on top universities, has published tons of papers in journals. It is different story. We doesn’t know nothing about this guy Alexander.

That’s why FDA is good.

Joxy yes, I dream of beauty, strength and youth, so far I only see the meaning in cryonics, everything else is far away and simply I will not live long enough to see these beautiful times
 

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Every beginning is very hard. Science research is very expensive, especially clinical trials, but if you have credible bio and technology behind your back, then it is much easier to find company who will invest.

We see dozens of bald doctors claiming that they have the cure for baldness. If they doesn’t want to test their technology on themself, then why should I?
 

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Desperete people will jump into everything what is offered on the market.

Russia has very good educational system. They are one of the best students in mathematics, physics, chemistry, engineering, medicine, even Alexey from Stemson is Russian, but the system is corrupted, and there you can sell anything.

Btw, who is that guy Alexander Demidovich? Is he a scientist and professor on some credible university? What is his education and bio? And contribution to science? You remember Hairoid company? They shared videos and photos, as well, and by the end they were fraud. This guy wants to collect money through YouTube? Come one. Which serious scientist or company is going through the same way?

DNovo is new company, came from nowhere, but we can see that guy behind this company is truly legit scientist, educated on top universities, has published tons of papers in journals. It is different story. We doesn’t know nothing about this guy Alexander.

That’s why FDA is good.

You make some excellent points here. He doesn't state his background at all. He just comes out of nowhere and shows he's doing hair cloning and wants a business partner. He does invite correspondence, that is a good start. We could ask his educational background and affiliations.

No, I am not familiar with Hairoid. But you know frauds are everywhere in this industry. People come and go. There was all the excitement about Dr. Tsuji. Definitely not a nobody and with Riken. He was ready to start human trials, needs funding and now it seems we hear nothing from him. I'm not saying he's a fraud but to just disappear like that is discouraging. Maybe he will reemerge when we least expect it.

Well if a person wants to start a serious company then where does one go to promote themselves that's considered legitimate?

As for dNovo, Ernesto Lujan seems to want to keep a low profile. He gives fake phone numbers, fake web sites on different web sites, claiming he owns a massage parlor in Texas. I know this because I tried looking him up. I had questions I wanted to ask him. With wanting to avoid or mislead people how can we be sure he will turn out to be a serious outfit in the long run?

The other thing is unless these people have the funds to carry out their research and clinical trials things will continue to stall, companies go bankrupt, projects get abandoned and go nowhere. There needs to be enough private investment to help these groups. In terms of government, sadly they have their own agenda. With all the money they waste, this is something that instead could benefit rather than destroy humanity. The hair cloning industry needs a lobby to have access to those with ties to government resources.

Then at Stemson I've inquired to them about what's going on with their pre-clinical testing on mini pigs and other larger mammals. I found the phone numbers to Geoff and Alexey. I haven't heard back from any of them yet. Then there's a lot of secrecy surrounding what goes on. If results aren't going according to plan they don't want it known as perhaps they fear investment potential could diminish once word spreads. I would trust a company that is transparent much more. If they aren't having success but at least are trying and working hard, it tells me they have values and care enough not to keep people guessing. At least Stemson is hiring, that's a good sign they're not where they want to be at but want to develop.

From what I gather unless you're a somebody in this field you're going to be basically ignored despite your desire to see where things are at in the present moment.
 

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You make some excellent points here. He doesn't state his background at all. He just comes out of nowhere and shows he's doing hair cloning and wants a business partner. He does invite correspondence, that is a good start. We could ask his educational background and affiliations.

No, I am not familiar with Hairoid. But you know frauds are everywhere in this industry. People come and go. There was all the excitement about Dr. Tsuji. Definitely not a nobody and with Riken. He was ready to start human trials, needs funding and now it seems we hear nothing from him. I'm not saying he's a fraud but to just disappear like that is discouraging. Maybe he will reemerge when we least expect it.

Well if a person wants to start a serious company then where does one go to promote themselves that's considered legitimate?

As for dNovo, Ernesto Lujan seems to want to keep a low profile. He gives fake phone numbers, fake web sites on different web sites, claiming he owns a massage parlor in Texas. I know this because I tried looking him up. I had questions I wanted to ask him. With wanting to avoid or mislead people how can we be sure he will turn out to be a serious outfit in the long run?

The other thing is unless these people have the funds to carry out their research and clinical trials things will continue to stall, companies go bankrupt, projects get abandoned and go nowhere. There needs to be enough private investment to help these groups. In terms of government, sadly they have their own agenda. With all the money they waste, this is something that instead could benefit rather than destroy humanity. The hair cloning industry needs a lobby to have access to those with ties to government resources.

Then at Stemson I've inquired to them about what's going on with their pre-clinical testing on mini pigs and other larger mammals. I found the phone numbers to Geoff and Alexey. I haven't heard back from any of them yet. Then there's a lot of secrecy surrounding what goes on. If results aren't going according to plan they don't want it known as perhaps they fear investment potential could diminish once word spreads. I would trust a company that is transparent much more. If they aren't having success but at least are trying and working hard, it tells me they have values and care enough not to keep people guessing. At least Stemson is hiring, that's a good sign they're not where they want to be at but want to develop.

From what I gather unless you're a somebody in this field you're going to be basically ignored despite your desire to see where things are at in the present moment.
Dr. Tsuji is very credible scientist working for one of the best japanese university. Btw, Japanese are very honest and credible people, and Tsuji is not selling nothing to no one. Maybe his technology is working, maybe not, maybe it is too complicated to translate in daily using for clinics, but at least he is not collecting money from desperate people. Time will tell.

There are frauds everywhere, and that’s why we need FDA and clinical trials. In terms of medicine and clinical trials I only believe in Western countries. They are the most credible societies.
 

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Every beginning is very hard. Science research is very expensive, especially clinical trials, but if you have credible bio and technology behind your back, then it is much easier to find company who will invest.

We see dozens of bald doctors claiming that they have the cure for baldness. If they doesn’t want to test their technology on themself, then why should I?
A good point but then it's much easier to be worked on by somebody rather than yourself. You have to trust the other people who are working on you that they know what they're doing. Maybe that explains it.
 

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Dr. Tsuji is very credible scientist working for one of the best japanese university. Btw, Japanese are very honest and credible people, and Tsuji is not selling nothing to no one. Maybe his technology is working, maybe not, maybe it is too complicated to translate in daily using for clinics, but at least he is not collecting money from desperate people. Time will tell.

There are frauds everywhere, and that’s why we need FDA and clinical trials. In terms of medicine and clinical trials I only believe in Western countries. They are the most credible societies.
The FDA is too corrupted. It needs to be completely overhauled. Problem is if it did actually happen, it would only revert back to what it is now. No laws or legislation will change that. In some ways the FDA is holding back progress given its requirements. It would be interesting to compare the pluses and minuses of having the FDA.
 

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I don't have much confidence in hair cloning using the normal methods. They've tried injecting functional cells into the scalp before and it never seems to work.

Is the idea that the injected stem cells should replace the absent population of stem cells from the dying hair follicles? I don't know if it's been verified that this replacement is permanent; maybe the cells work to restore the hair for a time but eventually die.
 

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I don't have much confidence in hair cloning using the normal methods. They've tried injecting functional cells into the scalp before and it never seems to work.

Is the idea that the injected stem cells should replace the absent population of stem cells from the dying hair follicles? I don't know if it's been verified that this replacement is permanent; maybe the cells work to restore the hair for a time but eventually die.
They've failed but in what ways? Was it the hairs didn't grow at all, or did they grow but not correctly? List some examples of failures. Be aware the technology and tools available now eliminate a lot of the problems they've had in the past. Again, I suspect but cannot prove the reason I don't hear back from Stemson Therapeutics is likely the pig models they're working on aren't panning out. If you say hair cloning has failed in humans, and pigs are similar to us this might likely be the case. If the results were good, wouldn't you think they'd love to brag to random strangers of their success and let it be known far and wide? To me, silence is a sign of no-good news. I don't have it in for Stemson Therapeutics. I appreciate what they're trying to do 100%. My desire is for their success.

I really see no reason hair cloning cannot be accomplished for humans. They've gotten close before from what I've read but there has always been some kind of problem with the result.

My latest thought is maybe the hairs would develop better if the skin structure was also in place during the cloning? The hairs could be extracted from the skin upon transplantation. It's a thought, I have no way to prove it. If it has blood supply, skin and the hair structure while being cloned, I think this would be the best chance of getting it to work because this is how hair naturally grows.

Another interesting idea I read is if we can grow hairs in mice easily then they could be used to grow the hairs using a person's own cells injected into them and then those hairs be transplanted from the mouse to the same individual? It's a pretty lousy and desperate route to get hair and animal rights activists would have a fit, not that I could blame them. We need a solution though, somehow. I just cannot believe no one has cracked this code yet!
 
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List some examples of failures.

The two that come to mind are Replicel/Shiseido and Histogen. I'm pretty sure Histogen would be considered hair cloning and I know that Replicel/Shiseido would be.
 

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Ok, let give this guy a chance. Maybe he is not fake and catfish. We can see from the video that he is balding too. Why he is not testing the technology on himself?

What makes you think he’s not
 
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