Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[BalderBaldyBald]

i was waiting for retinoids, in my country it's considered as a drug (Tretinoin actually), but not Retinol, the weakest form of Vitamin A, this one you can't overdose and f*** your liver

But if Retinoic Acid is considered as a cosmetic in your country...well that's fucked up.

Paraben case is shady aswell, never really have been totally proved

Anyway, you'll see that cosmetic products, have 'cosmetic' sides...if link of a serious or recurrent adverse effect is established, they'll move to another category.

If you think that way, all food has sides aswell regarding all the sh*t they put in, you're still here

 

[Manolo75]

people are never happy it's amazing when the brotzu project was in its early days the differences between PGE1 and DGLA were mentioned here. From the beginning here everybody complained that the pge1 seen its drug name was going to delay the production of the 10 year product to have the authorizations. then once Brotzu has replaced the pge1 with the DGLA in order to be able to get it out faster. Brotzu explained that DGLA was no less effective on the contrary. some even said that everything was wrong and that the product would never come out due to the difficulties of stabilization of the product. today these same frustrations reproach the product a total failure even before its release (last month) and even before having tried but especially they say it does not work because it's just a cosmetics and not a drug. They themselves said that the medicine should not be used on pain of seeing the product go out 10 years later. these people are a plague for society even if it is necessary to remain cautious and not to counter this idiocy by blind optimism.

 

[RU serious]

Did someone ever heard about a cosmetic with sides ? Lmao

Hair dye literally killed a woman once

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

Hair dye literally killed a woman once

Extreme allergic reaction ?

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

people are never happy it's amazing when the brotzu project was in its early days the differences between PGE1 and S-EQUOL were mentioned here. From the beginning here everybody complained that the pge1 seen its drug name was going to delay the production of the 10 year product to have the authorizations. then once Brotzu has replaced the pge1 with the S-Eqol in order to be able to get it out faster. Brotzu explained that S-Equol was no less effective on the contrary. some even said that everything was wrong and that the product would never come out due to the difficulties of stabilization of the product. today these same frustrations reproach the product a total failure even before its release (last month) and even before having tried but especially they say it does not work because it's just a cosmetics and not a drug. They themselves said that the medicine should not be used on pain of seeing the product go out 10 years later. these people are a plague for society even if it is necessary to remain cautious and not to counter this idiocy by blind optimism.

Nope, actually PGE1 was replaced by his precursor DGLA, but who f*****g cares, it's just a f*****g vasodilatator
S-Equol has always been on ingredient list, it's actually the only effective one

 

[ZenHead]

people are never happy it's amazing when the brotzu project was in its early days the differences between PGE1 and S-EQUOL were mentioned here. From the beginning here everybody complained that the pge1 seen its drug name was going to delay the production of the 10 year product to have the authorizations. then once Brotzu has replaced the pge1 with the S-Eqol in order to be able to get it out faster. Brotzu explained that S-Equol was no less effective on the contrary. some even said that everything was wrong and that the product would never come out due to the difficulties of stabilization of the product. today these same frustrations reproach the product a total failure even before its release (last month) and even before having tried but especially they say it does not work because it's just a cosmetics and not a drug. They themselves said that the medicine should not be used on pain of seeing the product go out 10 years later. these people are a plague for society even if it is necessary to remain cautious and not to counter this idiocy by blind optimism.

The PGE1 was replaced with DGLA which is its precursor. Regardless, people will doubt this treatment without ever trying it because that's just the mentality of most users on this forum... They call any treatment that releases without extensive trials as a "snake oil" or "scam" - And they'll b**ch and moan about the extensively tested treatments because its taking too long. Eventually you'll learn to just tune them out and follow your own intuition. I agree with what you're saying here.

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

The PGE1 was replaced with DGLA which is its precursor. Regardless, people will doubt this treatment without ever trying it because that's just the mentality of most users on this forum... They call any treatment that releases without extensive trials as a "snake oil" or "scam" - And they'll b**ch and moan about the extensively tested treatments because its taking too long. Eventually you'll learn to just tune them out and follow your own intuition. I agree with what you're saying here.

Lol, we judge on what we can observe and data we can read...that's it, not fairy tales from an old man near a woodfire

Still waiting for new pics Fidia promised...and about 'trial' results, well that was funny
And don't bring the infamous previous year congress show...that was fuckin' epic

 

[Manolo75]

Nope, actually PGE1 was replaced by his precursor DGLA, but who f*****g cares, it's just a f*****g vasodilatator
S-Equol has always been on ingredient list, it's actually the only effective one

Exactly sorry for the mistake !

 

[irishlad8787]

Does anybody here remember that wuwei guy on ieson who used a homemade lotion. He had great regrowth but was he microneedling too?

 

[Makaveli1988]

Does anybody here remember that wuwei guy on ieson who used a homemade lotion. He had great regrowth but was he microneedling too?

Yes

 

[ZenHead]

Lol, we judge on what we can observe and data we can read...that's it, not fairy tales from an old man near a woodfire

Still waiting for new pics Fidia promised...and about 'trial' results, well that was funny
And don't bring the infamous previous year congress show...that was fuckin' epic

What data? Fidia fucked up big time on that one, we all know that. My judgement of this treatment is based on the ingredients and their delivery system. My opinion is, and has been, that male pattern baldness is a inflammatory disorder which restricts blood flow in the scalp. Eventually the dermal papilla is disconnected from the microvasculatory system in the skin, and its game over for your follicles. Now, we all know that anti-inflammatories or vasodilators work for hair loss - finasteride destroys the DHT inflammation problem, minoxidil opens up your blood vessels. PGE1 also is a vasodilator which works in a similar way to minoxidil. S-equol works differently than finasteride, because it binds to DHT preventing it from attaching to the androgen receptor thus preventing the inflammation associated with it. L-carnitine (which is also included in this lotion) helps with endothelial cell migration and proliferation. Yes, I have done my research. So im basing my opinion on the science behind it, and not what Fidia is giving us because the whole company is run by morons. the "data you can read" is there, its just not provided by Fidia. f*** that company, read the patent and do the research yourself if you're curious, its pretty easy

 

[Javell]

f*** that company, read the patent and do the research yourself if you're curious, its pretty easy

Where are the patent pics?

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

What data? Fidia fucked up big time on that one, we all know that. My judgement of this treatment is based on the ingredients and their delivery system. My opinion is, and has been, that male pattern baldness is a inflammatory disorder which restricts blood flow in the scalp. Eventually the dermal papilla is disconnected from the microvasculatory system in the skin, and its game over for your follicles. Now, we all know that anti-inflammatories or vasodilators work for hair loss - finasteride destroys the DHT inflammation problem, minoxidil opens up your blood vessels. PGE1 also is a vasodilator which works in a similar way to minoxidil. S-equol works differently than finasteride, because it binds to DHT preventing it from attaching to the androgen receptor thus preventing the inflammation associated with it. L-carnitine (which is also included in this lotion) helps with endothelial cell migration and proliferation. Yes, I have done my research. So im basing my opinion on the science behind it, and not what Fidia is giving us because the whole company is run by morons. the "data you can read" is there, its just not provided by Fidia. f*** that company, read the patent and do the research yourself if you're curious, its pretty easy

You just said it all
So basically a much weaker vasodilator than Minoxidil, then S-Equol, having already a moderate binding affinity with DHT, at that concentration level is pretty much a joke, even with that fancy liposome delivery they bragged about for years.And finally L-cartinine, which is ironically used for mutiple purposes (including having bigger c*m load true story used also in p**rn industry) and just make your hair grows faster...kinda, i just enjoy the 'multiple' purposes of that one.

Well i read it all a million times just like everyone here, and still two sets of outrageous pics, weaker results, expensive price, and a ridiculous legendary showcase

Big question is, how people, regarding how only hardcore regimen focusing on those aspects of Androgenetic Alopecia disease had great results, talking about nuking regimen here, can possibly think a weak cosmetic like this, focusing on the same axes, is gonna do sh*t...this is clearly a weaker version of what we got for the last 30 years...but topical and sideless, but it will never have great results, and maintenance with this is a LOOOOONG SHOT, can possibly imagine on Mid to Long-Term results...even minoxidil is loosing effectiveness after a few years

So yeah, for people fearing about minoxidil and finasteride sides, this 'might' bought them a few extra years, not even a decade, but that's it, and i'm kinda optimist

 

[Evevevev]

I personally still have hopes that the lotion will work to some degree, but I do agree that the hold up on the photos they have is a bit disheartening. Either their marketing team is just a bunch of chimps or they maybe didn’t take enough photos during? Or maybe they results of the lotion aren’t good enough for photos to show. Why release the product when you know people are going to want to see physical results? Or just be real and say hey this will help you maintain that’s about it.

 

[jiggo]

You just said it all
So basically a much weaker vasodilator than Minoxidil, then S-Equol, having already a moderate binding affinity with DHT, at that concentration level is pretty much a joke, even with that fancy liposome delivery they bragged about for years.And finally L-cartinine, which is ironically used for mutiple purposes (including having bigger c*m load true story used also in p*rn industry) and just make your hair grows faster...kinda, i just enjoy the 'multiple' purposes of that one.

Well i read it all a million times just like everyone here, and still two sets of outrageous pics, weaker results, expensive price, and a ridiculous legendary showcase

Big question is, how people, regarding how only hardcore regimen focusing on those aspects of Androgenetic Alopecia disease had great results, talking about nuking regimen here, can possibly think a weak cosmetic like this, focusing on the same axes, is gonna do sh*t...this is clearly a weaker version of what we got for the last 30 years...but topical and sideless, but it will never have great results, and maintenance with this is a LOOOOONG SHOT, can possibly imagine on Mid to Long-Term results...even minoxidil is loosing effectiveness after a few years

So yeah, for people fearing about minoxidil and finasteride sides, this 'might' bought them a few extra years, not even a decade, but that's it, and i'm kinda optimist

How you know the dose is a joke? Are you a researcher with enough knowledge to make this kind of statement? You know for example how little of a dose of a toxine is needed to kill you. Inhalate 500 nanogram of Botox and you will quit this life. All I want to say is that no one here can judge about dose or effect of a substance because no one knows it here. Even most of researchers dont know and only can conclude by doing trials. This bro science sh*t and know-all manner is really annoying because the funny thing is 99% of members dont know a sh*t.

 

[barfacan]

How you know the dose is a joke? Are you a researcher with enough knowledge to make this kind of statement? You know for example how little of a dose of a toxine is needed to kill you. Inhalate 500 nanogram of Botox and you will quit this life. All I want to say is that no one here can judge about dose or effect of a substance because no one knows it here. Even most of researchers dont know and only can conclude by doing trials. This bro science sh*t and know-all manner is really annoying because the funny thing is 99% of members dont know a sh*t.

100% correct, lots of empty dialogue. It's one thing to state an opinion, and another to speak with a sense of absolute authority. I think part of this is just mental illness to be honest....or pure retardation who knows. JUST MY OPINION.

 

[ihatebackstabbers]

I've been watching this thread for months now and really want to know how it turns out. Not for myself, but for my 19 year old niece who was diagnosed with FPB this summer. It's truly heartbreaking.

I sincerely hope that everyone that is using it gets the results that they're hoping for. Don't get discouraged by reading some of the stuff written here. You are part of the only "clinical-trial" that matters. It would be such an asset to the community if you decide to share your results and give us feedback. Best of luck.

I would be the first person to test the hair-loss treatment if I created it. Could you imagine if Dr. Brotzu came out with a picture like this....

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

How you know the dose is a joke? Are you a researcher with enough knowledge to make this kind of statement? You know for example how little of a dose of a toxine is needed to kill you. Inhalate 500 nanogram of Botox and you will quit this life. All I want to say is that no one here can judge about dose or effect of a substance because no one knows it here. Even most of researchers dont know and only can conclude by doing trials. This bro science sh*t and know-all manner is really annoying because the funny thing is 99% of members dont know a sh*t.

Because you can find papers about S-Equol DHT binding affinity for a long time now, this is no new ingredient
I'm not a researcher, but real researchers did the job for me fortunately

Damn even Fidia stated that men improvement is moderate to low, and god damn we all saw the pictures....

And like i stated before, only hardcore antiandrogens regimen can give a decent result, rest is just meh, and we pretty much also know that growth stimulants are a dead end on a long run (talking about DGLA), L-Cartinine is useless anyway

 

[spring15]

I pray art thou lord Brotzu you bless me anti-fall unlike thou toxic finasteride which broke my balls

 

[Manolo75]

I received my 2 boxes yesterday and I started my first application. the product penetrates very quickly. it heats very lightly. I count the number of hair in the bathroom every day last week and I'll make a point in a month. I would also talk about density. the packaging is certainly the most beautiful packaging of a product that I could buy but clearly that we do not care. I say this because Fidia should sell product refills for people who already have the spray and all the rest not to duplicate but also to reduce the price that will come down I already think of a dozen euros in a few weeks when the novelty hype will be behind us.