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How do we know they even will?
Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016
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Koga
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Could you link us to that forum, please?
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If they don't release the trial results that means the results are bad.
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I wish someone here could formulate the lotion. I would but I'm only 17 and don't have the means/ability to gather the materials. Is there anyone that can?
I confirm that on two italian forums are talking about brotzu.
Someone (wolfgang24 and Dante12, I think it is the same user) has spoken on the phone with him just yesterday, but the only thing that the doctor said was that it works with Androgenetic Alopecia at 100%. Powerful new, but we don't know anything else.
The bad news is, brotzu said, "that fidia is delaying"... I give you two links, I hope I can do it.
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http://www.ieson.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66178&whichpage=36
http://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/?t=72095959&st=105
I don't know if this new is reliable, I think however that user is honest. We'll see next days.
edit: brotzu has also said that we must press to FIDIA. I don't know what it means.
Someone (wolfgang24 and Dante12, I think it is the same user) has spoken on the phone with him just yesterday, but the only thing that the doctor said was that it works with Androgenetic Alopecia at 100%. Powerful new, but we don't know anything else.
The bad news is, brotzu said, "that fidia is delaying"... I give you two links, I hope I can do it.
(italian only)
http://www.ieson.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66178&whichpage=36
http://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/?t=72095959&st=105
I don't know if this new is reliable, I think however that user is honest. We'll see next days.
edit: brotzu has also said that we must press to FIDIA. I don't know what it means.
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What does he mean by fidia is slowing?I confirm that on two italian forums are talking about brotzu.
Someone (wolfgang24 and Dante12, I think it is the same user) has spoken on the phone with him just yesterday, but the only thing that the doctor said was that it works with Androgenetic Alopecia at 100%. Powerful new, but we don't know anything else.
The bad news is, brotzu said, "that fidia is slowing"... I give you two links, I hope I can do it.
(italian only)
http://www.ieson.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66178&whichpage=36
http://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/?t=72095959&st=105
I don't know if this new is reliable, I think however that user is honest. We'll see next days.
edit: brotzu has also said that we must press to FIDIA. I don't know what it means.
Follisket
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[email]info@fidiapharma.it[/EMAIL] , right?
Have at it, guys, fight for your hair. Even if it's BS, at least you're not leaving anything to chance. Hair's worth it isn't it?
no bald plz
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I don't understand why that guy delays?
This makes me upset when someone doesn't care about anything but the money..that's shame
This makes me upset when someone doesn't care about anything but the money..that's shame
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Why not start with ordering DGLA and s-equol? They are the main components of the topical. Just put them in a ethanol vehicle.
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this Dante guy spoke to the doctor on the phone:
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"So guys, I spoke to professor Brotzu... I'll begin by saying he is a very kind and available person and you can tell he is greatly professional. The good news he gave me is that, contrary to what some user affirmed on this forum or another (can't remember), it works wonderfully on androgenic alopecia, 100%. He specified this multiple times. Bad news is that Fidia is delaying the release. The suggestion is to follow up on them..."
it was the doctor, Dante states in another post, to suggest pressuring Fidia.
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I spoke to a friend of mine who works in the pharmaceutical industry. He says Fidia is a reliable company. They have been the first company to use Hyaluronic Acid (I don't know if I spell it correctly) for a particular result, say scar reparation (I don't recall correctly unfortunately).
In March, someone from the same Italian bald people forum wrote an email to FIDIA. This is their reponse (my translation begins with the >>> marks):
Buonasera ********
>>>Good Evening *******
in risposta alla sua mail, le forniamo alcune informazioni riguardo al progetto, che riteniamo possano essere utili.
>>>In reply to your mail, here is some information concerning the project, which we think you can find useful.
In merito al rimedio per l’alopecia studiato dal professor Brotzu, in collaborazione con alcuni ricercatori dell’Università di Cagliari per la parte di sviluppo formulativo, Fidia precisa che si tratta di una scoperta scientifica dalle potenzialità molto interessanti, che hanno spinto l’azienda ad acquisirne la proprietà intellettuale e ad impegnarsi per farlo diventare un’opportunità reale per tutti i pazienti che sono afflitti da questo problema.
>>>Pertaining the remedy to alopecia studied by Professor Brotzu, in a collaboration with some researchers of the University of Cagliari for the part of the development of the formula, Fidia affirms it is a scientific discovery with very interesting potentialities, which have convinced the company to acquire the intellectual properties and to undergo making it a real opportunity for all the patients afflicted by this problem.
Fidia inizierà uno studio clinico a breve, secondo un protocollo definito e la cui formulazione dovrà poi essere industrialmente sviluppata.
>>> Fidia will start a clinical study in a short time, following a predefined protocol and whose formula will later be developed industrially
Non siamo in grado, ad oggi, di prevedere i risultati di efficacia e tollerabilità , che dovranno essere comprovati dallo studio stesso, con evidenze statisticamente significative.
>>> We cannot, as of today, foresee the results in terms of efficacy and tolerabilty, which will have to be proved by the study itself, with statistically significative evidence.
Per questa ragione non è stato ancora elaborato un timing preciso per la commercializzazione del prodotto e conseguente piano di comunicazione.
>>> This is why have not yet elaborated a precise timing for commercialization of the product, along with the communication plan
La terremo aggiornata in merito agli sviluppi del nostro studio e conseguente eventuale soluzione commercializzata.
>>> We will update you w/r/t our study and possibly the commercial solution
Siamo a disposizione per qualsiasi chiarimento e la salutiamo cordialmente.
>>>We're available for every further info and we greet you.
Fidia farmaceutici S.p.A.
Via Ponte della Fabbrica 3/A - 35031 Abano Terme (PD) - Italy
Tel. (+39) 049 8232111 - Fax (+39) 049 810653
www.fidiapharma.com
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| Allora ragazzi ho parlato con il prof Brotzu...inizio dicendo che si tratta di una persona molto gentile e disponibile e si vede che è un gran professionista...la notizia migliore che mi ha dato è che al contrario di quello che diceva qualche utente non so se su questo forum o su un altro, FUNZIONA MERAVIGLIOSAMENTE E AL 100% SULL'ALOPECIA ANDROGENETICA e ha tenuto a specificarlo più volte La cattiva notizia è che pare che la fidia stia allungando i tempi...il consiglio è quello di cercare di sollecitarli... |
Translation:
"So guys, I spoke to professor Brotzu... I'll begin by saying he is a very kind and available person and you can tell he is greatly professional. The good news he gave me is that, contrary to what some user affirmed on this forum or another (can't remember), it works wonderfully on androgenic alopecia, 100%. He specified this multiple times. Bad news is that Fidia is delaying the release. The suggestion is to follow up on them..."
it was the doctor, Dante states in another post, to suggest pressuring Fidia.
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I spoke to a friend of mine who works in the pharmaceutical industry. He says Fidia is a reliable company. They have been the first company to use Hyaluronic Acid (I don't know if I spell it correctly) for a particular result, say scar reparation (I don't recall correctly unfortunately).
In March, someone from the same Italian bald people forum wrote an email to FIDIA. This is their reponse (my translation begins with the >>> marks):
Buonasera ********
>>>Good Evening *******
in risposta alla sua mail, le forniamo alcune informazioni riguardo al progetto, che riteniamo possano essere utili.
>>>In reply to your mail, here is some information concerning the project, which we think you can find useful.
In merito al rimedio per l’alopecia studiato dal professor Brotzu, in collaborazione con alcuni ricercatori dell’Università di Cagliari per la parte di sviluppo formulativo, Fidia precisa che si tratta di una scoperta scientifica dalle potenzialità molto interessanti, che hanno spinto l’azienda ad acquisirne la proprietà intellettuale e ad impegnarsi per farlo diventare un’opportunità reale per tutti i pazienti che sono afflitti da questo problema.
>>>Pertaining the remedy to alopecia studied by Professor Brotzu, in a collaboration with some researchers of the University of Cagliari for the part of the development of the formula, Fidia affirms it is a scientific discovery with very interesting potentialities, which have convinced the company to acquire the intellectual properties and to undergo making it a real opportunity for all the patients afflicted by this problem.
Fidia inizierà uno studio clinico a breve, secondo un protocollo definito e la cui formulazione dovrà poi essere industrialmente sviluppata.
>>> Fidia will start a clinical study in a short time, following a predefined protocol and whose formula will later be developed industrially
Non siamo in grado, ad oggi, di prevedere i risultati di efficacia e tollerabilità , che dovranno essere comprovati dallo studio stesso, con evidenze statisticamente significative.
>>> We cannot, as of today, foresee the results in terms of efficacy and tolerabilty, which will have to be proved by the study itself, with statistically significative evidence.
Per questa ragione non è stato ancora elaborato un timing preciso per la commercializzazione del prodotto e conseguente piano di comunicazione.
>>> This is why have not yet elaborated a precise timing for commercialization of the product, along with the communication plan
La terremo aggiornata in merito agli sviluppi del nostro studio e conseguente eventuale soluzione commercializzata.
>>> We will update you w/r/t our study and possibly the commercial solution
Siamo a disposizione per qualsiasi chiarimento e la salutiamo cordialmente.
>>>We're available for every further info and we greet you.
Fidia farmaceutici S.p.A.
Via Ponte della Fabbrica 3/A - 35031 Abano Terme (PD) - Italy
Tel. (+39) 049 8232111 - Fax (+39) 049 810653
www.fidiapharma.com
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I thought it needed a sonicator? I don't think I would be allowed to order chemicals to my house.
I.D WALKER
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Without access to stronger confirmation, for now I'm going interpret that 100% is not meant to mean Brotzku's product is a patent cure,
but rather 100% of documented study group(s) participants experienced improvement. Therefore the key piece of the findings are at large;
that is to say we have no substantiated data to aid us in determining the products full growth rate power.
I'm enthusiastic as the next person, but until further corroborative evidence surfaces we need to exercise some more caution. As some seasoned members here will attest the definition of success in the medical world can be painfully misleading, or lead to
unintended consequences..
but rather 100% of documented study group(s) participants experienced improvement. Therefore the key piece of the findings are at large;
that is to say we have no substantiated data to aid us in determining the products full growth rate power.
I'm enthusiastic as the next person, but until further corroborative evidence surfaces we need to exercise some more caution. As some seasoned members here will attest the definition of success in the medical world can be painfully misleading, or lead to
unintended consequences..
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I totally agree.
Even it works for most people, the real question is: will it work for you? male pattern baldness remedies are particularly difficult to evaluate for the single individual because male pattern baldness is a "chronic" issue that is not linear in its evolution and makes it very difficult to evaluate what it is doing for you as opposed to what it is doing for the rest of the world.
You don't know how badly your issue would have degenerated without the usage of one remedy so you never know if it is worth it.
I'll try to make an example:
Let's imagine you use propecia for three years.
In those three years, your hair count on male pattern baldness affected areas goes from 10,000 to 8,000 (-20%).
You think the remedy is not working. You stop.
Three more years elapse and your hair count goes from 8,000 to 5,000 (almost -40%).
It has evidently accelerated.
Would you still say propecia wasn't working for you?
How can you know what would have happened if you hadn't taken propecia for the first three years?
Based on Doctor Brotzu's reputation and the articles published on this new treatment.
Moreover, if Fidia is willing to sell it, we have every reason to be confident.
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I've done that already and I got a positive reply from Fidia.
I suggest you all do the same, it doesn't hurt and it could speed things up.
Fingers crossed!
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Ahh understand. Yeah, you do need one if you want to perfectly replicate the topical. They should penetrate just fine in a normal vehicle though.
NorwoodGuardian
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Everybody! Email pls!
Btw Fidia is a Italy or US company?
Btw Fidia is a Italy or US company?
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Italian.
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We should really have someone here make the stuff now. We know exactly what ingredients it takes. Is there anyone who can?