Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

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The rep telling that mod that there would be a press release this week was probably just a clever way of getting at least a few people to stop f*****g calling her before Christmas and she'd be gone on holidays before week's end and the flood would return — smart move.
wouldn't say it was a smart move. Many ppl now hate them because of that kind of situation created around this lotion. They could say "We can only confirm that the trials have ended". At least that. But the way they behave is outrageous, and you guys just trying to find any excuse for them, which is also understandable as you don't want to lose hope in this lotion.
 
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I think after the holidays the mod from bellicapelli will call again to contact that fidia rep and ask her what the hell happened. They will be forced to respond with all those emails/phone calls.
 

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IIRC after the presentation Brotzu gave a month ago one of the aa women who are in contact with Brotzu said she/they would collect questions to give and ask Brotzu. Seemed liked a pretty big deal but no one seemed interested. Anyone know what happened?
 

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I think after the holidays the mod from bellicapelli will call again to contact that fidia rep and ask her what the hell happened. They will be forced to respond with all those emails/phone calls.
That seems like that could do more harm then good
 

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The hair loss industry has a huge gap in the market for a product that maintains hair with less severe sides than finasteride, if this lotion is even half as good as Brotzu said it is then it should do exactly that. Just look at how many snake oil products are out there and I'm sure even they turn over profit with some marketing.

Do Fidia have any current investment in the hair loss industry other than this? Because if not I'd say it's unlikely they bought the patent just to keep it from competitors, I can't see how it would be discontinued barring production issues or it just not being very effective at all, but then again we all have no idea what is going on behind the scenes...they should really re-think their PR approach... we are potential customers after all.
 

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You have no idea if they would need a new trademark. They have multiple relevant unused trademarks/brands that they can run a cosmetic skin cream under. You have no idea how long it takes or what their process is. You say there's no information then you decide to extrapolate the lack of information into an answer. With the exact same logic, you can say: "If you don't hear anything in a couple years, it's safe to say the product was shelved." and it would be equally accurate.

There is a lack of movement in the company (in what is visible to the public) to suggest a new product is imminent. I think you know that's the point.

You fail to address the rest of my points.

wouldn't say it was a smart move. Many ppl now hate them because of that kind of situation created around this lotion. They could say "We can only confirm that trials have ended". At least that. But the way they behave is outrageous, and you guys just trying to find any excuse for them, which is also understandable as you don't want to lose hope in this lotion.

If I was in that reps position, I'd be looking to shut people up to. That's why I'm not a rep for that company.

They have had ample time to test it. There is no official news from the company or any sort of watchdog on the cosmetics industry that suggests we'll hear anything anytime soon.

If, in a year from now the lotion is still not out, you'll still have people getting the same response from the company and still saying "Oh, they're still trialing it" and paging Beps63 for answers.

You don't have all the time in the world to hear something before it's obvious that you just won't.
 

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By all accounts this lotion works for AA. You would think that alone would warrant production. But it hasnt even been announced for that, which is worrisome. At the f*****g very least provide those people with a solution.

The ONLY reason i can think of for the hold up is that they want to market the same lotion for both AA and Androgenetic Alopecia, and they need this data before they can do so. But thats my wishful thinking. An announcment for an AA topical should have been made by now.
 

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There is a lack of movement in the company (in what is visible to the public) to suggest a new product is imminent. I think you know that's the point.

You fail to address the rest of my points.



If I was in that reps position, I'd be looking to shut people up to. That's why I'm not a rep for that company.

They have had ample time to test it. There is no official news from the company or any sort of watchdog on the cosmetics industry that suggests we'll hear anything anytime soon.

If, in a year from now the lotion is still not out, you'll still have people getting the same response from the company and still saying "Oh, they're still trialing it" and paging Beps63 for answers.

You don't have all the time in the world to hear something before it's obvious that you just won't.

But why would they shelf it? If

a) it actually works meaning it can destroy the snake oil competition

b) it's marketed as a cosmetic

Wouldn't they be bound to make a profit? Although only a small amount of men pursue treatment, the hair loss industry brings in billions. If they've got a working cosmetic product what would hold them back? Why would they buy the patent if they weren't even sure that it'd be marketable? To keep away from competitiors? But what competitors do they have? They were never a hair loss company so it wouldn't matter to them if another company got the patent. If it Brotzu's lotion was a revolutionary vaginal lotion that would make sense but not for a product that is in an industry they don't even compete in.
 

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I wonder what the chances are that this is the same lady that said they would release info about the product after the summer holidays.
Anyway an Italian guy called fidia today and spoke to a new guy. Said that they are not allowed to talk about the product and that he was aware of the moderator calling up and speaking to the women. She couldof gotten herself in trouble possibly
 

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someone with a deep knowledge of italian culture needs to chime in. Are they yanking our chain here?

WE DEMAND ANSWERS
 

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Can someone who follows also other new product treads answer me a question? How did other companies shared informations about their trails? For example Histogen, samumed etc. Did they released informations while the trials where still going?

I'm a little bit surprised about everyone is so pissed about fidia. Because i don't expect a live ticker or weekly updates on their ongoing trails, why should they do that? Isn't it very rational for a company to evaluate datas before they release news? I mean for example: the first time i heard about the results from samumeds trails was when they made their official presentation so after their trails ended and after they evaluated the datas. I never heard about a release date for their trial results. So again for me the way how fidia acts is very normal for a pharma company but like i asked: did other companies went different paths with their updates about ongoing trails?
 

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By all accounts this lotion works for AA. You would think that alone would warrant production. But it hasnt even been announced for that, which is worrisome. At the f*****g very least provide those people with a solution.

The ONLY reason i can think of for the hold up is that they want to market the same lotion for both AA and Androgenetic Alopecia, and they need this data before they can do so. But thats my wishful thinking. An announcment for an AA topical should have been made by now.




I would check on the Areata threads...The Tiger Moms will stampede Fidia trust me.

Nothing can be as painful as going bald other then watching your child going bald over night and lose eyebrows eye lashes and seeing them have to go to school and be mercilessly picked on

Those men and women (parents) will stampede Fidia.
 

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i have done some digging about pge-1 it is actually available as an erectile dysfunction cream called vitaros. it is a vasodilator. I think it could be applied to the wrong head to see what happens. I am not a doctor. if you re going to try it do it on your own responsibility.
 

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Can someone who follows also other new product treads answer me a question? How did other companies shared informations about their trails? For example Histogen, samumed etc. Did they released informations while the trials where still going?

I'm a little bit surprised about everyone is so pissed about fidia. Because i don't expect a live ticker or weekly updates on their ongoing trails, why should they do that? Isn't it very rational for a company to evaluate datas before they release news? I mean for example: the first time i heard about the results from samumeds trails was when they made their official presentation so after their trails ended and after they evaluated the datas. I never heard about a release date for their trial results. So again for me the way how fidia acts is very normal for a pharma company but like i asked: did other companies went different paths with their updates about ongoing trails?

Of course they didn't, but that's not the point.

Someone at the company allegedly told that mod there would be some public info made by week's end and there wasn't. It's reasonable that people would be mad about that when the product in question is so important to these people; they were given false information.

My point is that it's debatable at this stage as to whether or not trials are even happening. They told Brotzu that they might have info by this time, their response could be standard issue regardless of whether the product in question exists or not. They've had plenty of time and there is little more than speculation and rumors on the internet and vague letters/statements from employees. You can't keep this kind of thing a secret forever if it's really happening and I stand by my point that in a few months, if you've heard nothing and get the same generic replies, it's just not happening. Some users continue to rationalize this because they don't want to lose hope.

I would check on the Areata threads...The Tiger Moms will stampede Fidia trust me.

Nothing can be as painful as going bald other then watching your child going bald over night and lose eyebrows eye lashes and seeing them have to go to school and be mercilessly picked on

Those men and women (parents) will stampede Fidia.

I'm sorry, but I think you put way too much faith in this. The tiger moms aren't going to do anything.

Stampede FIDIA...get escorted out by security or arrested. Oprah is also not going to make a company release a product they've never explicitly stated even having.

These companies don't care about kids, celebrities, angry parents, etc. They care about $ — no pitchfork-wielding mob is going to make them release something.
 

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Somebody at Fidia must have said, "so all those fuckers on the forums want to bombard us with calls and emails huh? I got something for their asses....bwaa ha ha ha!"

Well played Fidia, well played
 

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According to Joseph, the founder of Follicle Thought...

"Thanks for the question. I think a lot of people do not realize that in businesses and in life in general plans sometimes change. I do not know why there is a delay, but I’m sure it is no big deal. Perhaps they wanted to do a formal meeting with the board of directors before they released a statement, or they are waiting on approval of the press release from someone at the company. Either way, the product was not going to be released today. Things are going fine at Fidia, they have an important product sitting in their lap. We should all give them time to do this right."

I completely agree with him, I have faith that this product will be released, unless they found in the trials, that the product gives the user a great deal of side effects, which I highly doubt. So relax everyone, and enjoy your holidays. #the cure is near
 

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Of course they didn't, but that's not the point.

Someone at the company allegedly told that mod there would be some public info made by week's end and there wasn't. It's reasonable that people would be mad about that when the product in question is so important to these people; they were given false information.

My point is that it's debatable at this stage as to whether or not trials are even happening. They told Brotzu that they might have info by this time, their response could be standard issue regardless of whether the product in question exists or not. They've had plenty of time and there is little more than speculation and rumors on the internet and vague letters/statements from employees. You can't keep this kind of thing a secret forever if it's really happening and I stand by my point that in a few months, if you've heard nothing and get the same generic replies, it's just not happening. Some users continue to rationalize this because they don't want to lose hope.



I'm sorry, but I think you put way too much faith in this. The tiger moms aren't going to do anything.

Stampede FIDIA...get escorted out by security or arrested. Oprah is also not going to make a company release a product they've never explicitly stated even having.

These companies don't care about kids, celebrities, angry parents, etc. They care about $ — no mob is going to make them release something.



Okay lets talk just money then.

A treatment JUST for AA would make them a bloody fortune--even if it does not work for Androgenetic Alopecia. Even if ingredients were expensive would not matter its AA most insurance would go towards treatments.

If this truly is effective for AA what would be the reason not to make it?

People would pay exuberant amount for it.

Kids cannot use anything right now.

Adults cannot use anything long term--everything is way too toxic.

The numbers for AA for totals and universal or even just very aggressive patchy AA is very large--so large they have trouble getting an accurate database.
Go to the forums if you don't believe me and see how many people are on there internationally.

This would be a safe long-term treatment. That equals money.

Only possible thing they have coming (possibly) is Jax which is highly toxic oral medication and not likely to work well as a topical at least not for a long time.

They (Christiano or that other Dr at Yale can't think of his name) probably won't have topical available for AA for a long time.
This came from Dr i had a second opinion about my conflicting biopsies and she is one of the researchers working with Christiano so i got it from the horses mouth so to speak.

As far as FIDIA an 'Oprah' I was sort of being cheeky but seriously No one wants bad publicity--I think you really underestimate the power of the media once people in numbers get behind something.
No body wants to hear about millions of people and kids suffering hair loss unnecessarily because of a miracle drug that can help them---where is your precedence for this to be so sure?

So yes i believe with or without pressure they will release this for the very least AA.

The public pressure is tongue in cheek when i say it--but also not unprecedented where i live.

Many parents have put public pressure already on American politicians successfully to consider Medical Marajuana with the aid of celebrities and spokes people and media....with some it has been very effective some it has not--but this is not medical marajuana this is a drug that has no taboo of 'refer madness'.

Im not comparing a corporation to politicians but i am comparing the emotional effect of children suffering to move people to take action.
 

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I know for sure that Riken with Kyocera will be the cure and I think 2020. is too optimistic. But 2021. is certainly viable. I was hoping though that by some wild luck there would be a almost side effect free treatment with the effectivity of Propecia on the market in the interim so it could bridge us until year 2021 comes. Brotzu lotion seemed to fit the description. However too much IFs here, I'm kinda sceptical about it. Of course I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying that containing the hype would be wise.
 

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That they bought the patent and don't do trials doesn't make sence! Because they provided Brotzu with the lotion for his AA trials. Beps has even posted a picture of it. Why would they manufacture the lotion if they don't trial it themselves?
 
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