Which is exactly why FIDIA is conducting trials, to see if the product works. Brotzu has shown results of the child with AA and the results of the women with Androgenetic Alopecia, so I don't think a person can claim that liposomes are a dud if there are documented results. The trials have ended and now all we can do is wait at least a month or two before any info is released.
Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016
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1-2 months is an arbitrary timeframe. It can be a year too right? The trials on Bimataprost are classical example, Allergan took forever to release the dismal trial results .
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I dont even know what u are trying to say.. this makes no sense, not even for a troller..
Do I believe it will take longer than at least 2 months for them to release info? No. It is your money so it's your prerogative if you want to spend it on a custom lotion. I believe that its important though to give both sides of the argument with claims that liposomes aren't effective and others who say the patent makes no sense when there are documented results that the lotion did stop shedding and had some regrowth in Brotzu trials.
If your scientists are so incredibly knowledgeable, they should able to create their own lotion for hair growth. But that's not the case, is it? Just like anyone else on this board, they can only speculate because they don't have Fidia's lotion, nor the exact formula to recreate it and observe its efficacy. The only one who knows if this works are the folks at Fidia. Time will tell.
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Tomorrow most people in Northern Italy return from Winter vacations, including the fellows at Fidia.
I will call them on next Friday trying to get some info. I say Friday because before that date they will probably be swamped with emails and backlog.
If they do not reply I will chain myself to the closest tree in front of the company until they give a date!
j/k for the chain part
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No jk. Bring two chains and tie me up with you.
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First of all,look at the comments at the bottom of your link.2 people claim that liposomes do penetrate skin and encapsulate substances correctly.
Second, why did you go to such effort? Even if you really have a lot of money, you can't have access to high end laboratories and the collective knowledge and skills that a group of scientists in a big pharma company has. So it's quite normal if you do not have results...
Although I am very much into applied sciences, I do admit I don't know jack sh*t about chemistry. But what I do know is, the complexity there is very high too,and even the slightest variation matters.You will not be able to replicate FIDIA's lotion if the are using a special technique or a compound that they will not speak about.
Just think of Coke. Many companies will claim that they can also make Coca Cola's Coke because they know MOST of the compounds but in fact they are not aware of the secret ones or of a special technique in production. Their product will never be the same. (and in this case, the product does serves its purpose- it's drinkable and nice. In a drug, a slightest variation could render it useless)
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Funny.
http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=2258175&table=Invention
Reading the official register of Italian's Patents Office, the first intellectual property passage went from the two Brotzus to "LIPOSOME ADVANCED RESEARCH LLC | 2701 CENTERVILLE RD NEW CASTLE COUNTY WILMINGTON DELAWARE | USA (US) ". That's a big developing centre located in USA. The patent was then acquired, after the results shown at Gaslini, by the company FIDIA. Recently we got the rumor FIDIA bought an enterprise to enlarge the liposomes' production on a mass scale.
On IESON, if I remember correctly, was said that Brotzu's son was the specialist about the liposomes. Effectively, basing on his curriculum, he really is. I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly he had a connection with that institute of research I mentioned.
However, even if I'm not going to believe in your speculations (no photo, no videos, no mentions,no papers), you should know that when posting important accusations like yours, they should be accompanied by proper scientific demonstrations.
Brotzu is a well known and respected professor at UniCA, son of a man who discovered Cefalosporine (!!!) so he surely knows how to approach scientific research. Brotzu spoke at ASAA congress at Genova's Gaslini, maybe the most famous hospital in Italy for the treatment of rare diseases and unkown pathologies. Then he spoke 2 times in the same day at Turin's SITRI (most important tricology congress in Italy) and his discovery was published on italian paper "il Dermatologo" without even being a dermatologist himself.
He has got multiple proves about his words, provided photos and even made a patent out of it.
Then, since you came on a forum to let the world know your opinion and "researches", and since in these case you are the accusation, you should provided, to be considered trustworthy:
- A photo of the lotion you are using with your username attached to it;
- A scan, signed by the laboratory with the name exposed (and his website) of a guarantee of the compounds of the lotion are you using;
- A photo of your (existant or not) results;
- A video of your application of the lotion.
I don't care of what you may say about this, but I hope that you won't get offended if I said that my total attention goes to FIDIA's results and not yours.
However, by the time you will provide the proves (if you will), our results will be probably available and we'll already have grown hairs even on the palm of our hands (don't overhype though). Until that, it's JakeSmores80's word on HairLossTalk.com FORUM against Giovanni Brotzu's word.
Sorry, people like to spread hype or panic randomly here, but please it's not a funny game. Since the doctor is "Nanni Brotzu and not God", you have all the possibilities to prove your words.
http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=2258175&table=Invention
Reading the official register of Italian's Patents Office, the first intellectual property passage went from the two Brotzus to "LIPOSOME ADVANCED RESEARCH LLC | 2701 CENTERVILLE RD NEW CASTLE COUNTY WILMINGTON DELAWARE | USA (US) ". That's a big developing centre located in USA. The patent was then acquired, after the results shown at Gaslini, by the company FIDIA. Recently we got the rumor FIDIA bought an enterprise to enlarge the liposomes' production on a mass scale.
On IESON, if I remember correctly, was said that Brotzu's son was the specialist about the liposomes. Effectively, basing on his curriculum, he really is. I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly he had a connection with that institute of research I mentioned.
However, even if I'm not going to believe in your speculations (no photo, no videos, no mentions,no papers), you should know that when posting important accusations like yours, they should be accompanied by proper scientific demonstrations.
Brotzu is a well known and respected professor at UniCA, son of a man who discovered Cefalosporine (!!!) so he surely knows how to approach scientific research. Brotzu spoke at ASAA congress at Genova's Gaslini, maybe the most famous hospital in Italy for the treatment of rare diseases and unkown pathologies. Then he spoke 2 times in the same day at Turin's SITRI (most important tricology congress in Italy) and his discovery was published on italian paper "il Dermatologo" without even being a dermatologist himself.
He has got multiple proves about his words, provided photos and even made a patent out of it.
Then, since you came on a forum to let the world know your opinion and "researches", and since in these case you are the accusation, you should provided, to be considered trustworthy:
- A photo of the lotion you are using with your username attached to it;
- A scan, signed by the laboratory with the name exposed (and his website) of a guarantee of the compounds of the lotion are you using;
- A photo of your (existant or not) results;
- A video of your application of the lotion.
I don't care of what you may say about this, but I hope that you won't get offended if I said that my total attention goes to FIDIA's results and not yours.
However, by the time you will provide the proves (if you will), our results will be probably available and we'll already have grown hairs even on the palm of our hands (don't overhype though). Until that, it's JakeSmores80's word on HairLossTalk.com FORUM against Giovanni Brotzu's word.
Sorry, people like to spread hype or panic randomly here, but please it's not a funny game. Since the doctor is "Nanni Brotzu and not God", you have all the possibilities to prove your words.
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Seen this long time ago
if you go to Italian woman's page (not saying her name) you know who i mean i am sure--they have conversations occasionally on page...nothing really relative to Brotzu except once he asked her how is hair? It was around time of a flood in Sardenia they talked about.
She did ask him how his hair in return but could not tell if it was teasing. I wondered though if he is also using lotion.
https://www.delawarelookup.com/company/5668919/liposome-advanced-research-llc
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Just stfu..
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you have come to the dark side lol
Guisseppe is beps63 ?? because they have the same year of birth 1963 !!
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would make sense why he takes things so defensively about Brotzu..if it were his Dad
but who knows..