Kintor has started Phase 3 trial in China for Pyrilutamide

trialAcc

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A dozen people on forums claim dutasteride made their already thinning hair lines worse so now this is what dutasteride does? Their hair loss was probably already accelerating and that's why they finally got desperate enough to use dutasteride. I have never used dutasteride as a monotherapy, but I did use it with only minoxidil and very low dose estriol, and my hairline certainly improved during that time with new hairs appearing in slick bald temples
Not exactly because of the 12 accounts of accelerated loss but I meant that most people have an easier time maintaining their crown then their hairlines when they are losing ground. I'm less surprised when a NW4 maintains or improves over 4 years then when a NW1.5-2 does.
 

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A dozen people on forums claim dutasteride made their already thinning hair lines worse so now this is what dutasteride does? Their hair loss was probably already accelerating and that's why they finally got desperate enough to use dutasteride. I have never used dutasteride as a monotherapy, but I did use it with only minoxidil and very low dose estriol, and my hairline certainly improved during that time with new hairs appearing in slick bald temples
Nah im NW1 (real)slighly diffused. dutasteride made my hair thin asf and i start shedding 300 hairs 10 months straight lol. I'm on finasteride now and hair is already less thin and looking better.
I know about the studies tho, idk how it's possible. But i actually fucked my hair way worse than without medication.
 

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Nah im NW1 (real)slighly diffused. dutasteride made my hair thin asf and i start shedding 300 hairs 10 months straight lol. I'm on finasteride now and hair is already less thin and looking better.
I know about the studies tho, idk how it's possible. But i actually fucked my hair way worse than without medication.
Probably just a better responder due to genes. Same way for me
 

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Getting worse on dutasteride is so much common .
a quick search on google will show you TONS of people reports of non stop shed for months! Without recovering
And most of them quit before they get to the other side of the shedding and the eventual recovery, leaving you with tons of reports of from dumb panicked people and the perception that dutasteride ruins hair.

You can also search the same thing for finasteride and get the same results. 9/10 times they just quit during the shedding period.
 

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And most of them quit before they get to the other side of the shedding and the eventual recovery, leaving you with tons of reports of from dumb panicked people and the perception that dutasteride ruins hair.

You can also search the same thing for finasteride and get the same results. 9/10 times they just quit during the shedding period.
Will finasteride loose effectiveness after 10 + years?
 

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Yes we were and are eagerly waiting for June, thanks for that document anyway.

Hope that the leaked results aren't bullshit haha !! Gonna be a fun wait ! Last time I was excited for results was for... Brotzu and their conference lmao
"Diameter doesn't change" :D

f*** if only the diameter didn't change, that would at least mean it had not gotten any worse, but it couldn't even do that.
 

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Not sure if I'm allowed to say company names? But I might give it a go.seems expensive but $279 = £205 for 5000mg at 10mg a day is less than a pound a day, that's less than minoxadil.

I'm not American but they seem to be recruiting for trials


Edit: actually I have a couple questions:
Is selleckchem legit?
What vehicle should I use, currently I use zix so can I just use alcohol/distilled water?
How is this stored in the freezer like RU?
I think you got the wrong price. Where do you see 280USD for 5g?
 

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I am confused too. It says 5mg for 270 USD and 40 USD for shipping. I am not taking the plunge until I see the June results
 

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Allegedly, TAHC (Target area hair count) of pyrilutamide from the phase II study was 22.5/cm2 according to people who saw the leak. If true, and again that is a big if, these results are very encouraging.

Remember this was a chinese study. Asian men tend to respond better to antiandrogens than caucasians.

I wouldnt expect KX to be more effective than finasteride or dutasteride. Excellent addition to the arsenal though.
 

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As somebody mentioned in the discord, Dutasteride results in a phase III Korean study were 12.2/cm2. Koreans and Chinese are similar enough, which means that if the 22.5/cm2 result is true it should be significantly more effective than dutasteride.
 

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Fair point. We'll see...

I still think people shouldnt expect much regrowth from the antiandrogenic angle. Even shutting down the T/DHT pathway almost completely (castration) didnt regrow significant amount of hair on its own.

If it can achieve long-term maintenance even with some minimal regrowth or thickening it's already a win in my book. I'm not in the pursuit of a juvenile NW1 hairline and I don't harbor any grand delusions, I'm quite happy to live with my NW3 hairline as long as it doesn't get any worse and becomes slightly more revitalized than it is right now.
 

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If it can achieve long-term maintenance even with some minimal regrowth or thickening it's already a win in my book. I'm not in the pursuit of a juvenile NW1 hairline and I don't harbor any grand delusions, I'm quite happy to live with my NW3 hairline as long as it doesn't get any worse and becomes slightly more revitalized than it is right now.

Cool bro. Thats a realistic mindset. You can still go for some regrowth with DY dermarolling/stamping + minoxidil.
 

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Allegedly, TAHC (Target area hair count) of pyrilutamide from the phase II study was 22.5/cm2 according to people who saw the leak. If true, and again that is a big if, these results are very encouraging.
just a friendly reminder that 6 months result of breezily was 21/cm^2 in TAHC. then after 12 months it went totally to sh*t. Kintor does not plan to do a 12 month phase 3 trial. they are both topical anti androgens and have a very comparable mechanism of action. so even if the leaked results were to be accurate and the side effect profile was to be favorable, who says that pyralutamide shares not the same property that it cannot maintain the regrowth for more than half a year. and we would never know because they do not have to do a 12 month trial. maybe they will have to do one for the FDA once they are in phase 3 in the US. but that will take another 1-2 years minimum

I still do not understand why breezula did so well initially and then so poorly when other anti androgens like finasteride or dutasteride really start to show the best results after 12-15 months. its strange because anti androgens take a long time to show their positive effects however with this one it seems to be potent initially and then diminish(breezula). personally I am hopeful that Pyrilutamide does not have this property
 

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just a friendly reminder that 6 months result of breezily was 21/cm^2 in TAHC. then after 12 months it went totally to sh*t. Kintor does not plan to do a 12 month phase 3 trial. they are both topical anti androgens and have a very comparable mechanism of action. so even if the leaked results were to be accurate and the side effect profile was to be favorable, who says that pyralutamide shares not the same property that it cannot maintain the regrowth for more than half a year. and we would never know because they do not have to do a 12 month trial. maybe they will have to do one for the FDA once they are in phase 3 in the US. but that will take another 1-2 years minimum

I still do not understand why breezula did so well initially and then so poorly when other anti androgens like finasteride or dutasteride really start to show the best results after 12-15 months. its strange because anti androgens take a long time to show their positive effects however with this one it seems to be potent initially and then diminish(breezula). personally I am hopeful that Pyrilutamide does not have this property

I was under the impression that Pyrilutamide was an androgen degrader. If so then its mode of action is far different than an anti-androgen like Breezula or RU. The safety profile would also be better.
 
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