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Yeah RU worked so well for him that he no longer uses it and had to get a hair transplant…
Kintor has started Phase 3 trial in China for Pyrilutamide
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Where are these examples? They definitely aren’t here or on Reddit. In fact it’s highly rare to see somebody getting results using RU alone.
Trust me guys I wish it worked. I’ve used it in many different forms myself and it did absolutely nothing.
Trust him guys, he used it himself and it didn't work so it doesn't work for anyone ever.
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I’m still waiting for you to link me results. Why don’t you post your results with it? If you read my post I’m not saying people should trust my results, I’m saying they should trust the fact I have no reason to say negative things about the drug. I wanted it to work and experimented with it for 2 years.
Remember people, RU is so effective that it never even made it to published human clinical trials. In fact it’s so effective that the people reporting success with it happen to also be using finasteride and minoxidil which combined treats hairloss in the vast majority of people.
The only evidence we have of it working is in mice and macaques - hardly great evidence…
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He still uses it and did not get a hair transplant.
Besides that, you miss the point what I am saying here at all.
You latter point is there are no RU-only results. This is also not true.
I am on a Dutch hairlossforum as well and a couple users posted good results with RU only. Some with pictures.
I seem to understand how this forum works more and more (not really a constructive and happy place where somebody would change their minds in a insightful discussion) so I take it that you'll probably don't find this all very important or change your mind.
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I’d love to be wrong on this actually. Good looking loser did a podcast not that long ago with MPMD who asked him what his current protocol was he said only keto shampoo as he got a hair transplant. I’ll try find the link later.
I’m not on any Dutch forum but can you link these results you’re talking about? I’m sceptical as usually anyone that has reliable results from any of the more experimental treatments usually ends up with those results getting posted here as they are few and far between. If you’re experimenting with RU yourself definitely take pictures for comparison. Hope it works better for you than it did for me.
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Dudes, RU is just an androgen receptor blocker with preclinical data (good monkey data, showing long term efficacy), human clinical studies, and TONS of anecdotes. Its efficacy lays somewhere between finasteride and dutasteride. Its funny to hear newbies saying "but we dont have success stories bla bla..." Its a maintenance drug! Just to stop or slow down your hairloss.
Stacked with ARI meds like finasteride or dutasteride is effective as f***. Its a weapon that fits well for prevention, something that doesnt quite sell for NW3+. Those should wait for Stemson or DoNovo.
Stacked with ARI meds like finasteride or dutasteride is effective as f***. Its a weapon that fits well for prevention, something that doesnt quite sell for NW3+. Those should wait for Stemson or DoNovo.
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Where are these success stories?
I used it for maintenance and it didn’t even do that for me. If it was as effective as you claim there would be way more success stories with photos showing dramatic changes. There aren’t many good studies also. Mostly on mice and one on monkeys - hardly overwhelming evidence when you consider that lots of drugs have shown promising results in animal models.
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Thought you meant MPMD. Who still uses RU.
https://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=32275&page=60
This is the link with pictures in one of the Dutch guys with results. If you go a few more pages back, you'll see more succes stories.
That GLL is not on finasteride and does use LLC is really weird imo. Does not even say anything about RU, because he also does not use finasteride.
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Even MPMD said in a recent video he hasn’t been consistent with topicals.
Thanks for the link, was that guy using RU alone? Sorry I don’t understand Dutch. If those are RU only results though they are very good.
And yeah GLL’s protocol is weird my guess is that his balding pattern just stabilised naturally and the few transplants he had have covered the lost ground. I was super disappointed to see that video because before MPMD he was one of the top content creators when it came to hairloss.
You're wrong. There are at least 3 very good studies in macaques which, as we well know, is a highly predictive model of efficacy in humans. One of them even investigated the efficacy of RU58841 in the long term with good results.
We have second-phase clinical trials that, according to Prostrakan, were successful and compared the efficacy of RU with that of Finasteride.
It was not commercialized because the patent was about to expire and the executives of the pharmaceutical company expected, like many of you, that it would cause "dramatic" regrowth results.
As for the anecdotal experience, i used it for years and it worked very well. I had been using dutasteride for a long time but got some thickening by adding RU to the arsenal.
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We never saw data from the trial on humans and we have no official reason for why it never made it further.
Studies on monkeys are good but to know how effective a treatment truly is it requires large high quality clinical studies on people. There are lots of treatments that have grown hair on animals and some that even looked promising until reaching stage 3 clinical trials. If we took the animal studies as conclusive we would expect results similar to finasteride from RU yet so many people have tried it and haven’t experienced that. Like I said before it’s hard to evaluate somethings efficacy if you’re using multiple treatments. I don’t deny that I could be wrong about RU, I just haven’t seen much that shows it to really work. That’s why anyone creating photo logs is super useful for everyone.
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You guys had me worried when I checked up on this thread. When you were talking about "it not working," I thought you were talking about pyrilutamide, not RU. (That would make sense for this thread after all.)
I figured that an above user had tried pyrilutamide before it was approved, and was reporting on its lack of success. I thought this may have been the case because for some reason I thought it was one of those drugs that's already used for other purposes besides hair loss, and is available for people to try on their hair after getting it prescribed for an alternative condition. But I don't think this is true, I don't believe the drug is available anywhere yet.
I figured that an above user had tried pyrilutamide before it was approved, and was reporting on its lack of success. I thought this may have been the case because for some reason I thought it was one of those drugs that's already used for other purposes besides hair loss, and is available for people to try on their hair after getting it prescribed for an alternative condition. But I don't think this is true, I don't believe the drug is available anywhere yet.
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It’s not available officially yet but there have been a few group buys. Hopefully in a few months people that participated in those might have some results to share.
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How long ago did these group buys take place?
Why on earth would they spend the money to develop a new topical drug when the results are comparable to an existing oral pill?
After all, the oral pill has essentially no side-effect problem, right? Isn't that what the Finasteride research says?
This is why I get so frustrated when grown intelligent adults keep denying Finasteride's common side-effect problem. That mistaken idea isn't only annoying. It has been VERY HARMFUL to us. We could have all been using commercial RU for the last 15+ years already. (That means real RU, not some counterfeit unstable junk from a Chinese meth lab.)
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The last group buy I saw ended in December I think, with people expecting to receive their order in February. There was some kind of delay with synthesis though so I don’t know if the participants have got theirs yet. Group buys are going on all the time though. The one I’m talking about had a lot of participants though so I’d hope we’d get at least a few anecdotes from it.
Is there going to be an oral version of this? If not, then when can we expect the topical solution to be available on the market? Also, is it true it can stop loss and thicken existing hair(make it look healthier and more full) like propecia does for users?
You are getting RU on the blackmarket. That means it is not made in accordance with the exact specifications of the actual drug company that owns it and would market it. And the people who make the blackmarket RU keep it stored, and if you don't store it exactly correct it will lose potency. Plus, the powder has to be formulated into a liquid topical perfectly in order to keep it's potency.
Blackmarket RU is not the same as RU would be if it was mass-marketed by a major drug company.
All of this taken together means that just because blackmarket RU does not work that does not prove Kintor's anti-androgen will not work.