L arginine, hairloss

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Could it be that l arginine increase hairloss?
Did you hear about that?
 

squeegee

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L-arginine is bad.. It takes LDL and transform it into arginase which is bad. L-Citrulline Malate is the best. None of the disadvantages.
 

israelite

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squeegee said:
L-arginine is bad.. It takes LDL and transform it into arginase which is bad. L-Citrulline Malate is the best. None of the disadvantages.

bro i just bought this! thank you for the information! my L-argine is going in the garbage1! squeegee can list the vitamins u use for hairloss , thank u
 

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israelite said:
squeegee said:
L-arginine is bad.. It takes LDL and transform it into arginase which is bad. L-Citrulline Malate is the best. None of the disadvantages.

bro i just bought this! thank you for the information! my L-argine is going in the garbage1! squeegee can list the vitamins u use for hairloss , thank u


Isrealite! don't garbage it!! just add Dl of l-citrulline malate or L-Norvaline to it.. you will be fine!! http://purebulk.com/l-norvaline

read this! really good read : http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/l ... e-part-II/
 

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Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.
 

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Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.


update your stuff Bryan... I am a gym freak and know a lot about arginine..you are so late in the news..

Supplemental L-arginine is readily absorbed; however, ~50% of ingested L-arginine is rapidly converted in the body to ornithine, primarily by the enzyme arginase.16 As noted above, in the presence of oxidized LDL, arginase activity is increased, and arginase competes with NOS for L-arginine in its role as a substrate for NOS, which results in impaired production of NO and increased production of ROS by NOS.

L-citrulline may be a better option. L-citrulline is readily absorbed and efficiently converted to L-arginine. But its conversion does not take place in the intestine or liver, and therefore not only does not induce tissue arginase, but inhibits its activity. Upon entering the kidney, vascular endothelium and other tissues, L-citrulline is readily converted to L-arginine, raising plasma and tissue levels of L-arginine and enhancing NO production.14 Published data indicates that L-citrulline has relatively better absorption and systemic bioavailability than L-arginine.
 

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squeegee said:
israelite said:
squeegee said:
L-arginine is bad.. It takes LDL and transform it into arginase which is bad. L-Citrulline Malate is the best. None of the disadvantages.

bro i just bought this! thank you for the information! my L-argine is going in the garbage1! squeegee can list the vitamins u use for hairloss , thank u


Isrealite! don't garbage it!! just add Dl of l-citrulline malate or L-Norvaline to it.. you will be fine!! http://purebulk.com/l-norvaline

read this! really good read : http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/l ... e-part-II/

dude my pills are l-arginine & L- ornithine, is this good?
 

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Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

bryan do think if i use proxiphen every other day i will still see the benefits?
 

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squeegee said:
update your stuff Bryan... I am a gym freak and know a lot about arginine..you are so late in the news..

Supplemental L-arginine is readily absorbed; however, ~50% of ingested L-arginine is rapidly converted in the body to ornithine, primarily by the enzyme arginase.16 As noted above, in the presence of oxidized LDL, arginase activity is increased, and arginase competes with NOS for L-arginine in its role as a substrate for NOS, which results in impaired production of NO and increased production of ROS by NOS.

L-citrulline may be a better option. L-citrulline is readily absorbed and efficiently converted to L-arginine. But its conversion does not take place in the intestine or liver, and therefore not only does not induce tissue arginase, but inhibits its activity. Upon entering the kidney, vascular endothelium and other tissues, L-citrulline is readily converted to L-arginine, raising plasma and tissue levels of L-arginine and enhancing NO production.14 Published data indicates that L-citrulline has relatively better absorption and systemic bioavailability than L-arginine.

This material appears to be in reference to oral arginine, not the topical arginine used in Prox-N or Proxiphen.

Update your stuff, squeegee...
 

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bryan do think if i use proxiphen every other day i will still see the benefits?

Sure, but I have no idea how effective the arginine itself is. The arginine in Proxiphen (if it even exists at all) may not be a particularly important ingredient.
 

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Jan. 9, 2004 — Topical L-arginine cream improves blood flow and temperature in the feet of diabetics, according to the results of a preliminary trial published as a letter in the January issue of Diabetes Care.

"This pilot study showed that arginine does increase blood flow, but it is not yet clear if this translates into fewer foot ulcers or better healing of ulcers," American Diabetes Association Vice President Robert Rizza, MD, told Medscape. He is a professor of medicine in the division of endocrinology and diabetes at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, and was not involved in this study.

L-arginine, an amino acid classified as a dietary supplement, is the biochemical precursor of nitric oxide, which controls local blood flow by relaxing endothelial smooth muscle. In diabetes, L-arginine levels are reduced while levels of asymmetric dimethylarginine, an inhibitor of the enzyme that converts L-arginine to nitric oxide, are elevated. Transdermal delivery of exogenous L-arginine via patented technology is said to restore blood flow by reversing these biochemical defects.

In this double-blind, vehicle-controlled, crossover-design pilot with washout periods of one week, 16 subjects with diabetes and impaired foot circulation were enrolled and 13 completed the study. With L-arginine cream, average Doppler flow increased 33% at the metatarsal and 35% at the Achilles tendon, and average temperature increased 5 degrees at the metatarsal and 8 degrees at the great toe.

"That is a huge amount," study author Eric T. Fossel, PhD, told Medscape. "It is true that this was a small study, but these are very convincing statistics." Dr. Fossel is president of Strategic Science and Technologies in Wellesley, Massachusetts, which holds the patent for L-arginine cream.

Because the effect of L-arginine persisted throughout the washout period, Dr. Fossel altered the analysis to determine the effect from cumulative exposure to L-arginine throughout the study. This eliminated the possibility of comparing active cream with placebo.

Dr. Rizza called these findings "intriguing but preliminary" and recommended additional research to determine if the cream has any clinical benefit in preventing or reducing amputations or other foot complications.

"We need better treatments, but there are many things that diabetics can do to reduce their risks," he said, urging daily foot inspection, better glucose control, exercise, quitting smoking, and protecting the feet with well-fitting shoes.
 

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Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

May also be in Proxiphen? Just imagine..anything we talk about here- Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen!

It goes a long way alright...down the drain.
 

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squeegee said:
Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.


update your stuff Bryan... I am a gym freak and know a lot about arginine..you are so late in the news..

Supplemental L-arginine is readily absorbed; however, ~50% of ingested L-arginine is rapidly converted in the body to ornithine, primarily by the enzyme arginase.16 As noted above, in the presence of oxidized LDL, arginase activity is increased, and arginase competes with NOS for L-arginine in its role as a substrate for NOS, which results in impaired production of NO and increased production of ROS by NOS.

L-citrulline may be a better option. L-citrulline is readily absorbed and efficiently converted to L-arginine. But its conversion does not take place in the intestine or liver, and therefore not only does not induce tissue arginase, but inhibits its activity. Upon entering the kidney, vascular endothelium and other tissues, L-citrulline is readily converted to L-arginine, raising plasma and tissue levels of L-arginine and enhancing NO production.14 Published data indicates that L-citrulline has relatively better absorption and systemic bioavailability than L-arginine.


Proctor update things? :woot:
 

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Jacob said:
Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

May also be in Proxiphen? Just imagine..anything we talk about here- Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen!

It goes a long way alright...down the drain.

hhaahahahahahah! I know Jacob.. Bryan sounds like a broken record.
 

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Bryan said:
israelite said:
bryan do think if i use proxiphen every other day i will still see the benefits?

Sure, but I have no idea how effective the arginine itself is. The arginine in Proxiphen (if it even exists at all) may not be a particularly important ingredient.

I see. It..if it even exists at all...is just to make it more "mysterious". :shakehead:
 

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Jacob said:
Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

May also be in Proxiphen? Just imagine..anything we talk about here- Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen!

Sure! We know what many (or most) of the things in Prox-N are, because they're right there on the label. But there's no such label for Proxiphen, unfortunately. We know about a few of the things in Proxiphen, but that's all we can say about it.
 

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Bryan said:
Jacob said:
Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

May also be in Proxiphen? Just imagine..anything we talk about here- Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen!

Sure! We know what many (or most) of the things in Prox-N are, because they're right there on the label. But there's no such label for Proxiphen, unfortunately. We know about a few of things in Proxiphen, but that's all we can say about it.

Oh..so now there are "mysterious ingredients" in Prox-N as well. If it's not on the label..it shouldn't be in it.

Again..Just imagine..anything we talk about here Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen! And now Prox-N as well...it seems.

Why people would spend that kind of money on something that doesn't have a full ingredients list..and even NO list... :shock:
 

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Jacob said:
I don't know if this is worth looking into: http://www.neogenis.com/
First saw it at this place: http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-NEO40.html ..was an article on it a few days ago..disappeared.

Same company that sells that beet root powder..as posted about here(see the NO connection): http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=69050


Yeah! Beet root contains nitrates! Nitrate= Nitric Oxide! I need to find a place for Beet root extract in bulk powder form.
 

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Bryan said:
Jacob said:
Bryan said:
Arginine is listed as one of the ingredients in Prox-N, and may also be in Proxiphen! The fact that Dr. Proctor apparently thinks it's beneficial for hair loss goes a long way, in my opinion.

May also be in Proxiphen? Just imagine..anything we talk about here- Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen!

Sure! We know what many (or most) of the things in Prox-N are, because they're right there on the label. But there's no such label for Proxiphen, unfortunately. We know about a few of the things in Proxiphen, but that's all we can say about it.


How come you know more than us on this product Bryan? :woot:
 
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