L arginine, hairloss

Jacob

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squeegee said:
Jacob said:
I don't know if this is worth looking into: http://www.neogenis.com/
First saw it at this place: http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-NEO40.html ..was an article on it a few days ago..disappeared.

Same company that sells that beet root powder..as posted about here(see the NO connection): http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=69050


Yeah! Beet root contains nitrates! Nitrate= Nitric Oxide! I need to find a place for Beet root extract in bulk powder form.

Well that one linked to above- http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/item-BR.html has a 30 serving powder...I think the others in that other thread are similar.

Some others:
http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/category/beet-root/?gclid=CMK6roKR_K0CFSaFQAod92aNsA

http://www.iherb.com/Frontier-Natural-Products-Organic-Powdered-Beet-16-oz-453-g/31129?at=0

Lots of other 1 lb and unders out there.
 

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Jacob said:
Oh..so now there are "mysterious ingredients" in Prox-N as well.

Yes. Right here on the Prox-N label, it says (among numerous other listed ingredients): "...superoxide dismutases".

GASP! SHOCK!! Oh, the HORROR!!! He doesn't even bother to tell us what those specific superoxide dismutases actually ARE!!!

Jacob said:
If it's not on the label..it shouldn't be in it.

Hey, I've got a GREAT idea for you, Jacob: why don't you notify the FDA (or maybe the FTC) that that nasty ol' Dr. Proctor makes Prox-N and Proxiphen without bothering to tell us what all the ingredients are! I'm sure they could use a good laugh! (I bet Dr. Proctor could, too!!)

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Again..Just imagine..anything we talk about here Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen! And now Prox-N as well...it seems.

Why people would spend that kind of money on something that doesn't have a full ingredients list..and even NO list... :shock:

Are you going to cry yourself to sleep tonight? :dunno:
 

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squeegee

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Bryan, you win at the internet tonight.. I just made my own topical L-arginine with some left over Phlogel (liposomal cream)...
 

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squeegee said:
Bryan, you win at the internet tonight.. I just made my own topical L-arginine with some left Phlogel (liposomal cream)...

Are you applying it to your scalp, or some other part of your body? :dunno:
 

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Bryan said:
squeegee said:
Bryan, you win at the internet tonight.. I just made my own topical L-arginine with some left Phlogel (liposomal cream)...

Are you applying it to your scalp, or some other part of your body? :dunno:


scalp! diluted the l-arginine with some minoxidil.. add it to the lipo.. perfectly done! Works good! Will see how it goes...
 

Jacob

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Bryan said:
Yes. Right here on the Prox-N label, it says (among numerous other listed ingredients): "...superoxide dismutases".

GASP! SHOCK!! Oh, the HORROR!!! He doesn't even bother to tell us what those specific superoxide dismutases actually ARE!!!

Because they're probably crap that would get laughed out of these forums. Even ones you've ridiculed.

You know what's cute Bryan? You saying you're done arguing with me...and yet you continue. Of course that was on another thread...which was the only thing you could say there.




Bryan said:
Hey, I've got a GREAT idea for you, Jacob: why don't you notify the FDA (or maybe the FTC) that that nasty ol' Dr. Proctor makes Prox-N and Proxiphen without bothering to tell us what all the ingredients are! I'm sure they could use a good laugh! (I bet Dr. Proctor could, too!!)

So in other words..instead of defending Proctor for not telling his customers what's in the product or why anyone should buy such crap when they don't even know what it contains...you go off on this FDA/FTC challenge as somehow that makes it right or even makes sense that we're not being told what the products contain. That it's ok to talk about "mysterious ingredients" to get ppl excited...when we all know there are no other active ingredients in the crap.

Bryan said:
Jacob said:
Again..Just imagine..anything we talk about here Bryan can say- it may also be in Proxiphen! And now Prox-N as well...it seems.

Why people would spend that kind of money on something that doesn't have a full ingredients list..and even NO list... :shock:

Are you going to cry yourself to sleep tonight? :dunno:

No, actually I slept very well knowing I'm pointing out to ppl what kind of a scam this Proctor, and yourself, have going on. Let me guess..your're going to quit wasting your time arguing with me..and go crying in a corner yourself.
 

Jacob

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DS Labs products contain arginine..as do countless other topicals.
 

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Just ordered 2 lbs of it here https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/

about 1 Kg.. going to add it to my L-citrulline, l-methylfolate mix.

Could you let me know please if it's nice 'n powdery..or if it has clumps etc in it? Some complaints out there on some other company's.

Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Bulk-Beet-Pow...QQVU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1328121907&sr=8-5

You could bath in the stuff :woot:

Starwest has theirs cheaper at Amazon..and free shipping at $25 instead of I think $50 or more on their website: http://www.amazon.com/Starwest-Bota...CSDY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328121886&sr=8-2 I may see how this stuff is. I don't know if I believe that reviewer there..will email them.

I'm assuming you're just interested in organic.
 

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Jacob said:
squeegee said:
Just ordered 2 lbs of it here https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/

about 1 Kg.. going to add it to my L-citrulline, l-methylfolate mix.

Could you let me know please if it's nice 'n powdery..or if it has clumps etc in it? Some complaints out there on some other company's.

Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Bulk-Beet-Pow...QQVU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1328121907&sr=8-5

You could bath in the stuff :woot:

Starwest has theirs cheaper at Amazon..and free shipping at $25 instead of I think $50 or more on their website: http://www.amazon.com/Starwest-Bota...CSDY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328121886&sr=8-2 I may see how this stuff is. I don't know if I believe that reviewer there..will email them.

I'm assuming you're just interested in organic.

No worries about the feedacks! :punk: Yep! Only organic.. I am doing my own liposomal supplements since couple months ago.. works pretty good but not with all the supplements out there..Will try with this..
 

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Hey Bryan! Look what I found LOL!

GINKGO BILOBA,MICROCAPILLARY CIRCULATION, HAIR GROWTH

Hairloss is not a story of only reduced circulation per se, however several studies show that it play a significant contributing role in Androgenetic alopecia. DHT and insulin resistance are both associated with the microvascular insufficiency that result in the progressive minaturization of the hair follicle.
Fortunately this process can be countered by both topical and systemic means.
The topical application of the Pyridine-N-Oxides and Arginine, (both present in Dr. Proctor’s Advanced Hair Regrowth Formula) induce local vasorelaxation, and increase levels of EDRF’s (endothelium relaxing factors),resulting in a local increase and maintenance of blood flow. The systemic ingestion of Ginkgo Biloba, Grape Seed , and Bilberry extracts have been shown to increase and maintain peripheral microcapillary circulation, ultimately improving or maintaining hair growth. Following are samples of the studies identifying these mechanisms.
 

Jacob

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It is..and this is hilarious what they say in the description:
It is the single most comprehensive topical hair growth product available today because it addresses so many facets of the balding process.

That "research" site is way behind the times. But the funniest part is:
Many users consider it to be superior to his more costly and unstable prescription formula, and his less concentrated, lower cost version.
 

squeegee

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Bryan! Tomorrow, I am going to put some Proxiphen in my Corn Flakes!! oh wait.. don't eat cereal anymore ....
 

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http://www.axiomahealth.ca/#!a-new-study

A recent clinical study conducted at University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada has shown that taking the popular sports amino acid supplement L-Arginine does NOT improve blood markers related to athletic performance.*

Fourteen healthy male athletes were given either a low dose of 15 mg/kg or a higher dose of 75 mg/kg (equivalent to between 1-5g for a 70 kg adult) of L-Arginine. Various blood markers were measured like nitric oxide (NO), Insulin, growth hormone or Insulin-like growth factor 1.

While L-Arginine was detected in the blood, unfortunately, none of the above biomarkers were altered. This isn't surprising since some previous studies have shown that L-Arginine does not result in an improved athletic performance.

Athletes use L-Arginine for supposedly enhancing sports performance in the belief that L-Arginine raises nitric oxide (NO). NO is a powerful vasodilator and thus improves oxygen supply to various organs like the heart and muscle tissue.

In the last 10 years NO research has exploded since three scientists received the Nobel Prize in medicine in 1998 for their work on NO and its physiological effect.

Besides improving the oxygen status of various tissues, NO has been shown to lower blood pressure, prevent clumping of platelets, a key contributor to heart attacks, reduce effects of altitude sickness, act as a powerful anti-inflammatory, prevent and reduce stomach ulcers, improve the immune system, increase the bone mineral density and thus the bone strength and acts as a powerful antioxidant.

There are two ways to increase NO; the traditional method of using amino acids like L-Arginine or its precursor L-Citrulline (which is no better since it has to be converted into L-Arginine in the first place!) or using a more recently discovered nitrate to nitrite to NO pathway.

Axioma Health has developed a unique platform technology called NOx 3,2,1 that delivers NO in much higher amounts quickly, efficiently and to the target site than any amino acid or combination of amino acids.

The advantage NOx 3,2,1 technology offers is the following:


L-Arginine or L-Citrulline have to be converted by enzymes called NOS and this conversion is often compromised

NOS enzymes require presence of high oxygen or high pH not acidic conditions.

In many disease states e.g. asthma, angina, failing heart, upper respiratory infections, during strenuous exercise oxygen status of the body is poor and in addition the pH becomes more acidic (technically called metabolic acidosis) and thus affecting the action of NOS and conversion of L-Arginine/L-Citrulline into NO.
 

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nitric oxide?? Isn't that why a lot of people tried using miconazole since supposedly it regrows hair? How come that experiment didn't work out so well then?
 

Jacob

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They're not saying it's totally useless..and keep in mind they are selling something...but they seem to be right for the most part, from what I'm reading.
 
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