Let's settle this: Does masturbation cause hair loss?

[likelycorrect]

Other question is if the levels reached during the peak are high enough to make an appreciable difference. Area under the curve for an effect I guess is what we're looking for. Not sure if we can realistically find any of this out without being able to do our own study.

 

[DominoEffect]

I believe that too much masturbation can lead to hair loss in the form of telogen effluvium and slow down your recovery.

From the human body's priority point of view, survival and reproduction are the highest priority. Sperm production is a high resource demand. Too much masturbation can make your body stressed, and led to telogen effluvium. And if you are recovering, it can slow your progress too. Too much of something is never a good thing.

can't the same be said about working out.

 

[DominoEffect]

Finasteride only inhibits about 51% of scalp dht.

what abotu dutasteride. and do you recommend.

 

[likelycorrect]

This is a good thread let's try to keep it on topic. Don't want it devolving into irrelevant stuff like the pyri one.

Anyways,

There are no studies which provide exact levels of intrafollicular prolactin. Prolactin is also implicated in psoriasis, and the levels in psoriatic lesions can be lower or than what is released during masturbation. I would assume that similar levels would be deadly for hair follicles. Prolactin acts very quickly on the hair follicle, if those levels are sustained for a few hours then damage will be done.

very interesting.

Mechanistically it makes sense and the HMI-115 results in macaques provide a sort of practical support too. My main curiosity is why we haven't seen that people who get off more have worse hair, seems to be no correlation or at least we haven't discussed it so far.

If only the nofap community wasn't such an echochamber we could be getting great anecdotes from them, but alas.

 

[DominoEffect]

Around 70-80%. I recommend dutasteride over finasteride. Similar safety profile, but dutasteride is much more effective

some people say "OMFG dutasteride made my dick fall off" stories. or grow man boobs, etc. thoughts?

 

[likelycorrect]

I don't know about that. Baldness among young men has increased dramatically since pornhub was started, even in China. This is just anecdotal, but I do notice when I see young guys balding they tend to be shut-ins, who would be likely to be doing a lot of masturbating. Incel types rather than popular guys with a busy schedule

Good point. Though it could just be causation in the other direction no? If you're bald and consequently less attractive you're more likely to become the incel type and less likely to be the popular lady-getter.

I don't think you'll see anyone regrowing their hair on nofap. Once the damage is done it's incredibly difficult to reverse.

Unfortunate :'(

 

[mminh]

can't the same be said about working out.

Yes, prolonged working out can have a negative effect on your health.

 

[DominoEffect]

Yes, prolonged working out can have a negative effect on your health.

which ones? especially weight lifting I wonder. but what do they do in your personal knowledge base.

 

[mminh]

which ones? especially weight lifting I wonder. but what do they do in your personal knowledge base.

I do calisthenics 30minutes a day and 3 times a week. So I don't have a personal experiment with weight lifting.

If you want to research a bit more, you can find a lot of studies about "too much exercise" negative effects. Below are a few:

Exercise and the heart--the harm of too little and too much - PubMed

Physical activity and exercise training are underutilized by much of Westernized society, and physical inactivity may be the greatest threat to health in the 21st century. Many studies have shown a linear relationship between one's activity level and heart health, leading to the conclusion that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

How Much Exercise Is Too Much - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Part 1: potential dangers of extreme endurance exercise: how much is too much? Part 2: screening of school-age athletes - PubMed

The question is not whether exercise is or isn't one of the very best strategies for improving quality of life, cardiovascular (CV) health and longevity-it is. And there is no debate as to whether or not strenuous high-intensity endurance training produces an amazingly efficient, compliant, and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Strong Implications But Weak Evidence for Strength Training - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[losingbattle88]

Finasteride only inhibits about 51% of scalp dht.

I use it topically so it inhibits it by 70%

 

[losingbattle88]

Around 70-80%. I recommend dutasteride over finasteride. Similar safety profile, but dutasteride is much more effective

False dutasteride isnt much better at all. It spikes T too much dumbass. I was on dutasteride for 1.5 years dropped it due to continued thinning. Doing better on finasteride because it dont Spike scalp T and serum T as much as dutasteride.

 

[losingbattle88]

The studies show that more people maintain on dutasteride than on finasteride. Maybe you just reached the point where your hair loss slowed down anyway dumbass

False again. There is a study that show that People react differently to dutasteride some bad some good. Even slaphead had worse hairloss on dutasteride, when he switched back to finasteride his hair improved his hairline was eaten away from dutasteride. Like I told you already it spikes T and some People are sensitive to T not just dht.

 

[losingbattle88]

Dutasteride works for me, without side effects. Anecdotes don't mean much. Show me the studies on this. I've been over this before with other morons. T only goes up because DHT goes down. There's no such thing as being more sensitive to T than DHT

Not more but AS sensitive. Ur on bicalutamide monotherapy not dutasteride. My crown was thinning for 1.5 Years on dutasteride it stopped after quitting it. And getting on finasteride. Also I barely produced any sperm on dutasteride. The day I quit it I only shot out 1 drop of sperm. Even on finasteride I had retrograde ejaculation and slow seeping sperm. So last option now is topical finasteride and ejaculation is already improved.

 

[losingbattle88]

This is impossible, and literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Bic in my regimen is bic razor. It's a joke. I've never been on bicalutamide. I don't recommend it.

My crown stopped thinning after I prayed. Proof that prayer stops hair loss better than dutasteride.

Sounds like a you problem. That's not normal. People who respond that way should quit. Most people don't respond that way.

It is normal to have reduced sperm on finasteride and dutasteride, its one of the most Common side effects even lol. And also ejaculation disorder.

 

[losingbattle88]

Lol you mean semen. Or are you guys measuring your sperm counts? The most common side effect is watery semen, which usually means more semen, and it has nothing to do with sperm count. What happened to you happens to 1% of people who take dutasteride, unless you think the trials are lying

Yes semen volume and no Force when ejaculating. I never had Watery sperm on dutasteride or finasteride quite the opposite. But much much reduced semen with no ejaculation Force.

 

[losingbattle88]

That happens when your T levels crash too. Total HPT suppression. Watery semen happens when DHT goes down and T goes up. This is most common on dutasteride and finasteride

How do you explain that I felt very strong on dutasteride then? No joke.

 

[debyne]

Let's all get on Zoom and prove this once and for all.

 

[losingbattle88]

That happens when your T levels crash too. Total HPT suppression. Watery semen happens when DHT goes down and T goes up. This is most common on dutasteride and finasteride

See here. It definately reduces the amount of sperm you produce.

 

[losingbattle88]

Less semen volume means less sperm. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with your sperm or ability to produce sperm. It's the semen that's the issue. It's also possible to produce less semen, but have more sperm per cc so you still have the same amount of sperm. You can't assume your sperm count.

How do I increase semen volume any tips?

 

[losingbattle88]

HCG 5000 iu and HGH 2-4 iu injections. HCG twice a week. HGH daily. Obviously stop taking anti-androgens. If that doesn't work add proviron

No I mean while on oral finasteride? Lol.