Milk..the cause of acne and hair loss? Have a read...
http://www.cure-guide.com/Natural_Healt ... _acne.html
http://www.cure-guide.com/Natural_Healt ... _acne.html
Milk! Interesting article....
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Although i have little trust in articles like these, it is true that i drink 4-5 cups of milk per day. Never had a serious acne problem though. Only some when i was 15-17, now i am 19 and its totally gone. My hair loss on the other hand...
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I don't know how accurate that article is, but I know that Oriental people tend not to drink milk because many of them have lacto intolerance. However, they also suffer male pattern baldness.
And the article also says to avoid soya milk, which I'd never heard before.
And the article also says to avoid soya milk, which I'd never heard before.
The main problem with small crappy studies, and articles like this are they sometimes are plain wrong. Whats to convince us that out of all the things in constant fluctuation in the human body that milk was the cause of acne? Give me a break its nothing more then them guessing probably some company making a product that competes with milk.
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I've never drunk more than a glass of milk a year, and have aggressive male pattern baldness at 18. I do consume other dairy products in moderate quantities.
good article
The calf is then put on artificial feed and the cow goes on the commercial milk production line. At her first heat (six-weeks postpartum) she is inseminated and continues producing milk during her 10-month pregnancy, at which point the cycle is repeated. This process results in milk that contains placenta-derived progesterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) precursors.
The calf is then put on artificial feed and the cow goes on the commercial milk production line. At her first heat (six-weeks postpartum) she is inseminated and continues producing milk during her 10-month pregnancy, at which point the cycle is repeated. This process results in milk that contains placenta-derived progesterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) precursors.
Milk, it does the body bad.
Milk = Insulin resistance.
Why on earth would someone consume a liquid meant for baby cows? Anyway it is the heating of the milk that acutally is bad, if you can get your hands on raw milk (illegal to sell in most states) then drink that. Otherwise toss out the 2 gallon container with rbgh in it and drink something else, like water.
Milk = Insulin resistance.
Why on earth would someone consume a liquid meant for baby cows? Anyway it is the heating of the milk that acutally is bad, if you can get your hands on raw milk (illegal to sell in most states) then drink that. Otherwise toss out the 2 gallon container with rbgh in it and drink something else, like water.
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sublime said:
Because it's very nutrious, has outstanding quality protein, and has some important vitamins and minerals. Isn't that obvious? Just because something is nutritious for baby cows doesn't mean that it's not also nutritious for humans.
Milk is great for baby cows, it is filled with the hormones they need to grow to size. Great source for IGF-1 and everything baby cows need, when they are babies. For some reason nature takes a weird wacky course and the baby cows actually stop drinking milk from their mother. Very, very odd.
Pasteurized milk is difficult to digest so all those great vitamins and minerals really do not do too much when your body cannot digest and absorb them. Speaking of proteins in pasteurized milk, which in most instances is homogenized, you might want to look at the association between xanthine oxidase and heart disease. Pasteurized milk also increases a person risk of developing diabetes due to insulin resistance. I thought all this was obvious.
Insulin resistance? From milk?
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v59/ ... 2086a.html
Last but not just for the fun of stating facts and sharing with everyone milk contains prolactin, cortisol, estrodial. Hormones which are incidentally not very helpful for your body or growing hair. Hey, it's why we are all here right. hmmmm. :wink:
Anyway the milk industry has a great lobby and that works for you so go with it.
Pasteurized milk is difficult to digest so all those great vitamins and minerals really do not do too much when your body cannot digest and absorb them. Speaking of proteins in pasteurized milk, which in most instances is homogenized, you might want to look at the association between xanthine oxidase and heart disease. Pasteurized milk also increases a person risk of developing diabetes due to insulin resistance. I thought all this was obvious.
Insulin resistance? From milk?
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v59/ ... 2086a.html
Last but not just for the fun of stating facts and sharing with everyone milk contains prolactin, cortisol, estrodial. Hormones which are incidentally not very helpful for your body or growing hair. Hey, it's why we are all here right. hmmmm. :wink:
Anyway the milk industry has a great lobby and that works for you so go with it.
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sublime said:
Anti-milk food faddists just love to point out that humans are the only animals that drink the milk of another species (or continue to drink milk into adulthood, take your pick), and _I_ just love to respond to those ridiculous statements by pointing out that other adult animals will drink milk if you make it available to them! :wink:
Try putting a saucer of milk in front of a grown cat, and see what happens!
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Although I think you're greatly exaggerating the risk of pasteurized and homogenized milk for purely rhetorical purposes, I will grant you that there _may_ be certain problems with altering natural milk in that way. However, that's not really a problem with milk per se, just a problem with the way that we are generally forced to process it out here in the Real World.
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Estradiol isn't helpful for growing hair? :wink: Oh, ok...
Don't lose any sleep over a few hormones in milk. It's not that important.
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Thanks. I will. Milk is an excellent, nutritious food. More people should take advantage of it.
Bryan
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It's also important to remember that all polypeptide hormones in milk will be broken down by the digestive tract by the numerous peptidases that are in the stomach and secreted by the pancreas.
For this very reason, people can not take insulin, growth hormone, or any other polypeptide hormone orally. Steroid hormones are a different story.
So, oral intake of growth hormone, IGF-1, insulin, and all other polypeptide hormones (there are a lot of them) will be prevented. On the other hand, diamino acid compounds like thyroxine can easily be taken orally.
I wish people would remember such facts when they start freaking out about what is in their food.
For this very reason, people can not take insulin, growth hormone, or any other polypeptide hormone orally. Steroid hormones are a different story.
So, oral intake of growth hormone, IGF-1, insulin, and all other polypeptide hormones (there are a lot of them) will be prevented. On the other hand, diamino acid compounds like thyroxine can easily be taken orally.
I wish people would remember such facts when they start freaking out about what is in their food.
Lets see first working out is no good for your hair..
then red meat is going to make you head shine...
then green tree raises the level of DHT...
Now milk is very very very bad for your health... sh*t man after reading what some of you guys wrote about milk up there i feel if i drink milk i will die right away...
Today i went to the gym benched 225 and squated 250 and made deadlefts until i could not walk..
then i had shreded beef bowl with double meat soure cream and cheese and now i am drinking big *** glass of milk and ready to go to bed...unk:
then red meat is going to make you head shine...
then green tree raises the level of DHT...
Now milk is very very very bad for your health... sh*t man after reading what some of you guys wrote about milk up there i feel if i drink milk i will die right away...
Today i went to the gym benched 225 and squated 250 and made deadlefts until i could not walk..
then i had shreded beef bowl with double meat soure cream and cheese and now i am drinking big *** glass of milk and ready to go to bed...
unk:Milk faddist? I am saying raw milk is good for you, not sure how that would make me a faddist.
Of course cats will drink milk. Do you have cats? Do you know that milk will give them diarrhea? Just because they drink it does not mean it is good for them. Dogs love to drink anti-freeze and they end up dead. :cry:
Let me post the study I linked so it can be read.
High intakes of milk, but not meat, increase s-insulin and insulin resistance in 8-year-old boys
Published online 17 November 2004
Objective: Our objective was to examine if a high animal protein intake from milk or meat increased s-insulin and insulin resistance in healthy, prepubertal children. A high animal protein intake results in higher serum branched chain amino acids (BCAA; leucine, isoleucine and valine) concentrations, which are suggested to stimulate insulin secretion. Furthermore, milk possesses some postprandial insulinotrophic effect that is not related to its carbohydrate content.
Design: A total of 24 8-y-old boys were asked to take 53 g protein as milk or meat daily. At baseline and after 7 days, diet was registered, and insulin, glucose, and amino acids were determined. Insulin resistance and beta cell function were calculated with the homeostasis model assessment.
Results: Protein intake increased by 61 and 54% in the milk- and meat-group, respectively. In the milk-group, fasting s-insulin concentrations doubled, which caused the insulin resistance to increase similarly. In the meat-group, there was no increase in insulin and insulin resistance. As the BCAAs increased similarly in both groups, stimulation of insulin secretion through BCAAs is not supported.
Conclusions: Our results indicate that a short-term high milk, but not meat, intake increased insulin secretion and resistance. The long-term consequences of this are unknown. The effect of high protein intakes from different sources on glucose–insulin metabolism needs further studying.
Be wary of those who sponsor studies. In regards to your study, which is obvious we all might want to dig a little further instead of accepting things at face value.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/f ... e_dollars/
"Scientists from Children's Hospital Boston evaluated 111 beverage studies published between Jan. 1, 1999, and Dec. 31, 2003, and found that industry paid for some or all of a majority of the research,"
Maybe some of you are a lot younger and do not understand the concept of following the money.
Working out is good for you as is green tea. Who said it wasn't? Raw red meat, as much as I am against the eating of meat, from grass fed cows is good for you as well. It's not the food that is bad for you, it is what the industry does to it before it gets to your plate.
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Of course cats will drink milk. Do you have cats? Do you know that milk will give them diarrhea? Just because they drink it does not mean it is good for them. Dogs love to drink anti-freeze and they end up dead. :cry:
Let me post the study I linked so it can be read.
High intakes of milk, but not meat, increase s-insulin and insulin resistance in 8-year-old boys
Published online 17 November 2004
Objective: Our objective was to examine if a high animal protein intake from milk or meat increased s-insulin and insulin resistance in healthy, prepubertal children. A high animal protein intake results in higher serum branched chain amino acids (BCAA; leucine, isoleucine and valine) concentrations, which are suggested to stimulate insulin secretion. Furthermore, milk possesses some postprandial insulinotrophic effect that is not related to its carbohydrate content.
Design: A total of 24 8-y-old boys were asked to take 53 g protein as milk or meat daily. At baseline and after 7 days, diet was registered, and insulin, glucose, and amino acids were determined. Insulin resistance and beta cell function were calculated with the homeostasis model assessment.
Results: Protein intake increased by 61 and 54% in the milk- and meat-group, respectively. In the milk-group, fasting s-insulin concentrations doubled, which caused the insulin resistance to increase similarly. In the meat-group, there was no increase in insulin and insulin resistance. As the BCAAs increased similarly in both groups, stimulation of insulin secretion through BCAAs is not supported.
Conclusions: Our results indicate that a short-term high milk, but not meat, intake increased insulin secretion and resistance. The long-term consequences of this are unknown. The effect of high protein intakes from different sources on glucose–insulin metabolism needs further studying.
Be wary of those who sponsor studies. In regards to your study, which is obvious we all might want to dig a little further instead of accepting things at face value.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/f ... e_dollars/
"Scientists from Children's Hospital Boston evaluated 111 beverage studies published between Jan. 1, 1999, and Dec. 31, 2003, and found that industry paid for some or all of a majority of the research,"
Maybe some of you are a lot younger and do not understand the concept of following the money.
Working out is good for you as is green tea. Who said it wasn't? Raw red meat, as much as I am against the eating of meat, from grass fed cows is good for you as well. It's not the food that is bad for you, it is what the industry does to it before it gets to your plate.
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sublime said:
So, what the hell are you talking about? There is no possible way that peptide hormones will survive passage through the digestive tract whole. I don't care what any study says with regards to increased serum IGF-1 after a meal. It's impossible. Pure and simple. IGF-1 will increase so as to antagonize insulin.
If IGF-1 is increased in serum after eating or drinking dairy products, the cause is not dietary absorption, but dietary influence.
Seriously, you can't even dilute IGF-1 powder without it losing its potency. How would you expect it to be absorbed after traveling through a highly acidic environment filled with peptidases?
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sublime said:
If you agree that RAW milk is good for you, at the very least, then you and I aren't in as much disagreement as I previously thought. However, I still think that you're probably exaggerating the bad effects of pasteurized and homogenized milk.
sublime said:
Yes. Animals can be lactase deficient, too, just like humans.
sublime said:
No, but that wasn't really my point. I clearly explained that it was a response to people who hilariously like to point out that man is the only animal that drinks the milk of another species, and/or drinks it into adulthood.
BTW, I imagine that if other animals continued drinking milk throughout their lives, they may also avoid lactase deficiency, just like many humans.
Bryan
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Pure and simple? I am guessing you still believe cigarettes are good for people. hhmmm. :wink:
"......provides both clear evidence that IGF-1 survives digestion (Xian et al, 1995) and an explanation for why the oral IGF-1 feeding studies looked at by JECFA in 1992 had ambiguous results, as is discussed below. Both the Monsanto-sponsored and the Elanco-sponsored studies previously considered by JECFA involved feeding free rIGF-1 by itself to rats. Neither used IGF-1 associated with its binding proteins (IGFBPs). IGFBPs are resistant to acidic conditions and may enable IGF-1 to survive digestion in the stomach (Corps and Brown, 1987; Donovan and Odle, 1994). Furthermore, in these two previous studies, the free IGF-1 was not mixed with other constituents of milk, such as casein, which more recent evidence indicates protect it from digestion."
"The demonstration that IGF-1 survives digestion through the protective effects of casein makes irrelevant the argument that human saliva contains IGF-1 at levels greater than the quantities that would be consumed in milk. As the IGF-1 produced by salivary glands is free IGF-1, without the protective effect of casein, it is unlikely to survive digestion.
Two earlier oral feeding studiesone sponsored by Monsanto and one by Elancoconcluded that IGF-1 does not survive digestion. Those studies are not definitive because rats were given free IGF-1, without casein or other protective proteins. Thus one would not expect the IGF-1 to survive digestion in these studies. Even so, a careful review of the Monsanto study suggested that some small amount of the IGF-1 administered in this study survived digestion and affected the rats' growth rate (Hansen, 1993)."