My Copper Peptide Journey......

The Gardener

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I've been a Folligen user for quite a while, and recently made the switch to Tricomin. Actually, before Folligen, I used American Crew, so I can say that I have had intercourse with all three and am an official copper peptide trisexual.

I liked the ease of use of American Crew. After applying the minoxidil, then some spironolactone, I would give the hair a few shots of it and it would be done with. No mess, no grease, just a nice invisible layer of the good stuff on the scalp and American Crew had that great ultramasculine scent. I liked the fact that it was grease-free, and over time it did seem to have a somewhat relaxing effect on my scalp. My scalp just felt "looser", and the skin seemed less dry. What I didn't like about American Crew was the scent, after a few months of it, I got sick of that constant smell on my pillow. YES, I would wait for it to dry and all, but I got tired of going to bed and waking up to that same damned fragrance. My girlfriend at the time didn't like it either, not that it is a bad scent, but it just got old.

I made the switch to Folligen. Sprayed it on my head for the first time and, ah, no smell. Well, it does have a slight rusty and herbal scent, but it's pretty subtle and not something that made my bedroom smell like some Italian gigolo's love nest. I really liked Folligen, used it for a year or so. After applying it , it actually had a bit of a stinging tingle on the scalp which I liked because it made me feel like it was doing something. It eliminated all hint of scalp irritation, period, I loved it. The down side is that damned green color. The product stains if it gets onto any fabric when wet. So, I had to be absolutely SURE it was dry before going to bed... well, I actually cheated and bought dark green pillowcases... but you get the picture. You have to be very careful with it. The other down side is that it was a bit harsh on my hair, it seemed to leave a slight buildup on it, and seemed to have a slight drying out effect on the hair strands.

I liked the effect that Folligen had on my hair so much that I started using Pickharts "Copper Peptide Serum" on my face. My ex-girlfriend at the time who worked at a dermatologist's office said that her boss very much endorsed copper peptides and believed that Pickhart's stuff was good. Well, CP Serum has been great for my face! I highly recommend it.

But as for Folligen, I decided to quit the big green and give Tricomin a shot. I looked at the bottle... whoa, it is light blue! No more green. Sprayed it on... and lo and behold, it did not react with the minoxidil to create that dark green hue. After a few shots I let it set a bit, and, whoa!?.. what is this?... ooooooh.... I think I am feeling the nice cool tingle of our friend mister menthol?... and sure enough I look at the label to see that Tricomin has a bit of menthol in it, which feels sublime on the scalp. Tricomin feels great on the scalp and seems to have not skipped a beat from where the Folligen left off. Well, Folligen did have more of a sting to it, as does the skin CP Serum which I KNOW is effective for skin repair, but from a basic anti-irritation perspective Tricomin is carrying its weight. It is also very nice on the hair, as opposed to Folligen. Instead of somewhat drying the hair, Tricomin seems to actually make my hair feel a bit softer and have a subtle conditioning effect. Very elegant, very nice. And that menthol... ooooooh.. I love that subtle tinge of menthol.

I still believe in the Pickart CP's, and when I apply them to my face after a shower I make sure to spread a little into my thinning area and sprout patch in the upper temples. Then the minoxidil, then a little spironolactone 5 on the hairlines (which I am thinking of dropping, not because I don't think it is helpful, but more out of economy and simplicity in my regimen routine), and then finally a shot of Tricomin. Ooooh.. the menthol...
 

global

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I switched to Tricomin after using Folligen and I prefer it too.

I'll have to think about using that face cream, although I read that Neutogenas Visibly Young range uses Tricomins copper peptide technology on license, so maybe it is just as good.

I just started using Retin A cream on my face, I'll let you know if it makes me look younger!
 
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If using Retin-A Cream on make sure you apply an oil-free sunscreen of at least 30SPF, otherwise you'll burn like a bastard.
 

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neiltom88 said:
If using Retin-A Cream on make sure you apply an oil-free sunscreen of at least 30SPF, otherwise you'll burn like a bastard.


... AND, apply it only in the evening as it breaks down in sunlight and flurorescent lighting - and as Neil said can promote sun damage.
 

Def

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As always, great review Gardener. Do you think you’ve had any results? These things are difficult to gauge when you have a multi-faceted regimen, I know.

Not sure how many of you blokes have had a look at the Tricomin web site, but there are a couple of pictures on there showing some fairly dramatic results. Cu peptides must have some cosmetic effect on the hair and scalp, even if all they do is extend the growth phase of each hair.

I think the key with Cu peptides (whether it be Folligen, Tricomin or Crew) may be in consistent application as with other topicals. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I know I have it ingrained in my mind that Cu peptides are more of an adjunctive treatment. If I miss a few days – I don’t care.

Has anyone here REALLY tried peptides, by applying and massaging in TWICE per day EVERY day for say 6 months or so?

Cheers

Def
 

techprof

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Gardy, good review. I bought folligen. I use it only once or twice a week (laziness).
If I stop using it, I get irriation (even beyound nizoral 3 times a week).
What Norwood are you?
I have severe diffuse hairloss. So, adding folligen and going out is ruled out.
your review suggests that tricomin can be used even before going out.
 

1derphull

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The Gardener said:
....so I can say that I have had intercourse with all three and am an official copper peptide trisexual.....

.... After a few shots I let it set a bit, and, whoa!?.. what is this?... ooooooh.... I think I am feeling the nice cool tingle of our friend mister menthol?...

Your storytelling method is very entertaining.

Also I would not drop the spironolactone,you really need an antiandrogen.
 

The Gardener

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It is hard to tell if it has given me results or not. But, I can tell you one thing, and this is just my personal theory...

I'm an older guy, 36. I'm an NW2.5, all of it frontal, I have no bald or thin patch on the back center whatsoever. However, my hairloss started back when I was 19! I thought I'd be bald by 24, but that did not happen because my hairloss, and I think all male pattern baldness, does NOT occur at a consistent speed. My hairloss happened in distinct episodes.. I would go through a year of a very scary rate of loss, but then it would stop and hold for years, then another episode.. etc, etc. Each of these episodes of hairloss were always accompanied by a very annoying scalp itch, the kind of itch that made me want to brush my hair like crazy!

Well, I am not sure if the hairloss caused the irritation, or if the irritation might have been some enabling factor of the hairloss, or if the two had little to do with each other, but I do know that the two always went hand in hand. So, I am a believer in scalp health, and it is that itch, that sometimes subtle irritation, that copper peptides has helped me fight. After using the copper peps, I no longer get that feeling when running my hands through my hair at some times, of that slight pain sensation at what feels like is the root end of the hairs. My scalp just seems more peaceful, and I never or very rarely get the urge to scratch my head.

As for hair growth, it is hard to tell if it has helped because of the mixture of treatments I am using. But, if it does to hair follicles what the CP serum has done for my face, then I can't help but think that there are good things going on!

Techprof, yes, you can apply Tricomin and leave the house. It is clear on the scalp and hair. If you like the way the Folligen feels on your scalp, you could use the Folligen at night, and the Tricomin in the mornings?

One thing I will say is that out of the three copper peptide solutions, I don't think American Crew packs as much punch as the other two. Just my take, my personal opinion, from my experience with them.
 

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Gardener,

Your story sounds similar to mine.. but I'm just 24. I can only hope I will maintain and only be a Norwood 2.5 at 30 something.. I'm considering adding these CPs.. where do you get your stuff at?

I've noticed when I feel like I'm experiecing a shed/loss episode I start getting pretty bad dandruff. I usually use Tgel a couple times a week but during these times, like right now, I'm still getting flakes. I realize the rogaine is probably partially causing this... but you're right about the itching and loss. For a while I thought the itching was a good thing as when new hair grows in it often itches.. but now I'm scared it does mean you'll soon be losing the hair. I'm hoping the laser comb will help with this issue and I'll keep you all updated on my progress
 

The Gardener

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Where do I buy my copper peps? I buy them from the HairLossTalk.com.com in-house store right here on this website. GREAT prices on copper peps, and very reliable service.
 

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I had a nice journey with the Pep's to. Tried Tricomin about two years back and it was awesome. Proffesional all around from the packaging to the look and feel of the product.

For me I bought Folligen to save some money. It is cheaper and smells good for about 4 weeks or so then something happens at least to my bottles and it smells like moldy laundry. The stuff is super sticky and dries way hard on your head. I had to rinse the sprayer in hot water everytime I used the stuff. I still have half a bottle that is been taken out of my regimen. I currently use American Crew, though it has been discontinued, I like the manly smell.... its not cheap or french whoreish- just masculine, it leave no residue and combs easy. I am able to purchase it for $13 per bottle as my lady friend is a hairstylist. The wholesaler only has 6 bottles left and thats it, thought about buying them but.... I am going back to Tricomin.

Mr. Gardner You need to trim your balls, that picture is hideous. You should use Tricomin in the morning rather than before bed and you won't stain your pillow- Well least not with your copper spray :oops:

I know some dudes like to use the dropper method for Copper Pep's but for me it takes to long. Just a spray and I am away. The spray gives me good body like a gel and stiffens up nicely to.

What about Proctor's SOD's? and that new stuff from the makers of Leproxin??
 

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Thanks for the review Gardener.

The importance of using CP's cannot be emphasised enough:-

"Dermatologic Research Techniques", CRC Press, 1996.

Chapter 16: "Phototrichogram Analysis of Hair Follicle Stimulation: A Pilot Clinical Study with a Peptide-Copper Complex" Ronald E. Trachy, Leonard M. Patt, Gordon M. Duncan, and Bernard Kalis. This was done on *human* subjects with male pattern baldness. Both total and anagen hair density increased significantly (anagen hair: +39%) with the larger topical dose of copper-peptide (glycyl-histidine-lysine-valine-phenyalanine-valine), especially when compared to total and anagen hair density LOSSES in the placebo-treated group.

Chapter 17: "Quantitative Assessment of Peptide-Copper Complex-Induced Hair Follicle Stimulation Using the Fuzzy Rat" Ronald E. Trachy, Hideo Uno, Shelley Packard, and Leonard M. Patt. This was done on rats. Copper peptides significantly stimulated hair growth, compared to vehicle.

Chapter 18: "Evaluation of Telogen Hair Follicle Stimulation Using an In Vivo Model: Results with Peptide-Copper Complexes" Ronald E. Trachy, Erika D. Timpe, Irene Dunwiddie, and Leonard M. Patt. This was on mice. Copper peptides significantly stimulated hair growth in mice, compared to vehicle; it also exceeded the growth induced by 2% topical minoxidil, which was also tested.

(Thanks to Bryan for the reference)

The minoxidil-CP combo will in terms of regrowth probably give you the most bang for your buck that you can get from topicals.
 

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I also want to know what the CP's did for your face Gardener?

And is CP serum the same as regular Folligen spray? Or is it something specifically for your face?

Also as a side note I think Proctors Prox-N would be the most potent of all CP's available. Spin Trap also looks good, but they arent Copper Peptides.

Are copper peptides the same as SOD's?
 

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Red Rose said:
Chapter 16: "Phototrichogram Analysis of Hair Follicle Stimulation: A Pilot Clinical Study with a Peptide-Copper Complex" Ronald E. Trachy, Leonard M. Patt, Gordon M. Duncan, and Bernard Kalis. This was done on *human* subjects with male pattern baldness. Both total and anagen hair density increased significantly (anagen hair: +39%) with the larger topical dose of copper-peptide (glycyl-histidine-lysine-valine-phenyalanine-valine), especially when compared to total and anagen hair density LOSSES in the placebo-treated group.

Tricomin's CP is a shorter sequence: glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine. This is different than the one from the study above.
 

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I love Tricomin. Day and night applications, soothing.. has reduced my irritation/itch big time!

I'm sticking with it... I have basically no itch spots anymore, I think Tricomin and Nizoral are the reasons.
 

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blaze said:
Also as a side note I think Proctors Prox-N would be the most potent of all CP's available. Spin Trap also looks good, but they arent Copper Peptides.

Are copper peptides the same as SOD's?

Copper-peptides and spin-traps and spin-labels have SOD activity. You might think of spin-traps and spin-labels as being sort of "turbocharged" SODs! :wink:

Bryan
 

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1derphull said:
Red Rose said:
Chapter 16: "Phototrichogram Analysis of Hair Follicle Stimulation: A Pilot Clinical Study with a Peptide-Copper Complex" Ronald E. Trachy, Leonard M. Patt, Gordon M. Duncan, and Bernard Kalis. This was done on *human* subjects with male pattern baldness. Both total and anagen hair density increased significantly (anagen hair: +39%) with the larger topical dose of copper-peptide (glycyl-histidine-lysine-valine-phenyalanine-valine), especially when compared to total and anagen hair density LOSSES in the placebo-treated group.

Tricomin's CP is a shorter sequence: glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine. This is different than the one from the study above.

Correct. Tricomin's CP is probably more effective than the other CPs used in those cited studies.

Bryan
 
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