My Copper Peptide Journey......

[Justlooking]

Day one of nightly application of Tricomin. So far, no noticeable results :lol:

 

[ColtsFan]

Jacob,

I see what you mean. On that "nutrozyme complex" page they dont actually show SOD. But on mu latest bottle it does say "SuperOxideDismutase"

I think Alterna actually uses a type of liposome delivery system as well.
I love the stuff....

 

[Jacob]

Here are the ingredients for the old formula..could you tell me if it's the same these day? Thanks

(Aqua)Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurat, Sodium
Lauromaphoacetate,cocomidopropyl betaine, acrylates
copolymer,treonine,phosphrous, azelaic acid, niacin, n-carboxyethyl
butyrlc acid, orinthine decarboxylase, calphostin c, Serenoa serrulata
fruit extract, paullinia cupana seed extract, swertia japonica
extract, ginko biloba, camelia sinensis leaf extract, royal jelly,
chinchona succirubra bark extract, coptis japonica extract, gastrodia
elata extract, nasturtium officinale extract, robinnia pseudacacia
flower extract, cymbopogon schoenanthus extract, polygonum multiflorum
root extract, foeniculum vulgare (funnel)fruit extract, retinyl
palmitate, tocopheryl acetate, scorbic acid, magnisium asorbyl
phosphate, calcium pantothenate, magnesium salicylate, zinc gluconate,
rice amino acids, hydrolyzed wheat protein, pantheynl Ethyl Ether,
panthenyl hydroxypropyl, steardimonium chloride, biotin,
polyquaternium-28, hydroxypropyl guar hydroxypropltrimium chloride,
hydrolyzed mucopolysacchrides, saccharomyces(lysate, copper, zinc)
Ferment, superoxide dismutase, lactoferrin, retinyl palmitate
polypeptide phosolipids, corn oligosaccharides, copper oxidase, acetyl
methionine, acetyl serine, amino acyl transferase,
cinnamidopropyltrimonium chloride, peg-150, distearatem, propylene
glycol, peg 45-m, aminomethyl propanol, titanium dioxide, mica,
silicia, disodium EDTA, citric acid, diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben,
propylparaben, fragrance.

 

[mvpsoft]

I disagree, and your claim of sufficient evidence is greatly weakened by your failure to provide any.

Um, I provided references to a number of studies. Those studies represent evidence, my friend. You are free to assess the quality of the evidence that those studies present however you wish, but so far you have not provided a single reason to show that the studies are in any way suspect.

Moreover, at least one minoxidil expert (I suppose) has claimed that minoxidil and CUs work synergistically. I don't know of any studies to support that claim, and I didn't say there were any. I simply stated something to the effect that there is some evidence for that. Informed claims made by experts count as evidence.

(above emphasis mine)

WHAT????? Good Lord! A claim is NEVER evidence of any sort, no matter who makes it.

Take a logic class. Of course a claim by an informed expert is evidence. I mean, you believe that the earth is roughly 93 million miles from the sun, right? Do you think that your belief is a reasonable one? Have you ever measured that distance yourself? Do you know exactly how it is calculated? Have you read and digested the process by which those measurements have been made? Do you understand completely the theories behind those measurements? If not, then you are basing that belief on a claim someone made at some point. And that's perfectly reasonable. In fact, that's how get most of our information.

Take a course in epistemology some time. And logic. I'm not being facetious here -- you seem to have a very superficial understanding of what counts as justified belief.

I really don't see why it is important that you get inside my head. I simply made a claim, you objected, I gave the evidence to support the claim. My psychological or epistemic profile should not be particularly relevant, or even interesting.
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I have no idea what that is in reference to.

This statement, made by you above.

My point in asking for citations to copper peptide studies was to find out whether the opinions being expressed concerning their effectiveness were informed opinions, or blind faith.

 

[Dave001]

I disagree, and your claim of sufficient evidence is greatly weakened by your failure to provide any.

Um, I provided references to a number of studies. Those studies represent evidence, my friend.

No, you did no such thing. You offered links to web sites scattered amongst an incoherent blob of comments. Do you remember my original assertion? I'll remind you: the evidence for copper peptides is nowhere near that of minoxidil. I can provide a long list of references to human studies of minoxidil for hair growth from which you can verify the data on minoxidil. You can't cite a single human study to support copper peptides (and I'm not even suggesting that there wasn't ONE human study of copper peptides for hair growth).

Here are some citations of topical minoxidil studies (sorted by author name):

1. Arca, E., et al., An open, randomized, comparative study of oral finasteride and 5% topical minoxidil in male androgenetic alopecia. Dermatology, 2004. 209(2): p. 117-25.

2. Berger, R.S., et al., The effects of minoxidil, 1% pyrithione zinc and a combination of both on hair density: a randomized controlled trial. British Journal of Dermatology, 2003. 149(2): p. 354-62.

3. Brzezinska-Wcislo, L., Effect of minoxidil on hair growth in androgenic alopecia in women. Polski Merkuriusz Lekarski, 2002. 13(75): p. 208-11.

4. Civatte, J., et al., 2% topical minoxidil solution in male-pattern baldness: preliminary European results. Dermatologica, 1987. 175 Suppl 2: p. 42-9.

5. Connors, T.J., et al., Australian trial of topical minoxidil and placebo in early male pattern baldness. Australasian Journal of Dermatology, 1990. 31(1): p. 17-25.

6. De Villez, R.L., Topical minoxidil therapy in hereditary androgenetic alopecia. Archives of Dermatology, 1985. 121(2): p. 197-202.

7. De Villez, R.L., Androgenetic alopecia treated with topical minoxidil. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 669-72.

8. DeVillez, R.L., et al., Androgenetic alopecia in the female. Treatment with 2% topical minoxidil solution. Archives of Dermatology, 1994. 130(3): p. 303-7.

9. Jacobs, J.P., C.A. Szpunar, and M.L. Warner, Use of topical minoxidil therapy for androgenetic alopecia in women. International Journal of Dermatology, 1993. 32(10): p. 758-62.

10. Karam, P., Topical minoxidil therapy for androgenic alopecia in the Middle East. The Middle-Eastern Topical Minoxidil Study Group. International Journal of Dermatology, 1993. 32(10): p. 763-6.

11. Katz, H.I., et al., Long-term efficacy of topical minoxidil in male pattern baldness. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 711-8.

12. Koperski, J.A., E.K. Orenberg, and D.I. Wilkinson, Topical minoxidil therapy for androgenetic alopecia. A 30-month study. Archives of Dermatology, 1987. 123(11): p. 1483-7.

13. Kreindler, T.G., Topical minoxidil in early androgenetic alopecia. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 718-24.

14. Lucky, A.W., et al., A randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 5% and 2% topical minoxidil solutions in the treatment of female pattern hair loss. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 2004. 50(4): p. 541-53.

15. Olsen, E.A., Topical minoxidil in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia in women. Cutis, 1991. 48(3): p. 243-8.

16. Olsen, E.A., E.R. DeLong, and M.S. Weiner, Dose-response study of topical minoxidil in male pattern baldness. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1986. 15(1): p. 30-7.

17. Olsen, E.A., E.R. DeLong, and M.S. Weiner, Long-term follow-up of men with male pattern baldness treated with topical minoxidil. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 688-95.

18. Olsen, E.A., et al., A randomized clinical trial of 5% topical minoxidil versus 2% topical minoxidil and placebo in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia in men. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 2002. 47(3): p. 377-85.

19. Olsen, E.A., et al., Five-year follow-up of men with androgenetic alopecia treated with topical minoxidil. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1990. 22(4): p. 643-6.

20. Olsen, E.A., et al., Topical minoxidil in early male pattern baldness. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1985. 13(2 Pt 1): p. 185-92.

21. Price, V.H. and E. Menefee, Quantitative estimation of hair growth. I. androgenetic alopecia in women: effect of minoxidil. Journal of Investigative Dermatology, 1990. 95(6): p. 683-7.

22. Price, V.H., E. Menefee, and P.C. Strauss, Changes in hair weight and hair count in men with androgenetic alopecia, after application of 5% and 2% topical minoxidil, placebo, or no treatment. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1999. 41(5 Pt 1): p. 717-21.

23. Rietschel, R.L. and S.H. Duncan, Safety and efficacy of topical minoxidil in the management of androgenetic alopecia. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 677-85.

24. Roberts, J.L., Androgenetic alopecia: treatment results with topical minoxidil. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 705-10.

25. Rushton, D.H., et al., Quantitative assessment of 2% topical minoxidil in the treatment of male pattern baldness. Clinical and Experimental Dermatology, 1989. 14(1): p. 40-6.

26. Savin, R.C., Use of topical minoxidil in the treatment of male pattern baldness. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 696-704.

27. Shupack, J.L., et al., Dose-response study of topical minoxidil in male pattern alopecia. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1987. 16(3 Pt 2): p. 673-6.

28. Storer, J.S., et al., Topical minoxidil for male pattern baldness. American Journal of the Medical Sciences, 1986. 291(5): p. 328-33.

29. Vanderveen, E.E., et al., Topical minoxidil for hair regrowth. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 1984. 11(3): p. 416-21.

30. Vexiau, P., et al., Effects of minoxidil 2% vs. cyproterone acetate treatment on female androgenetic alopecia: a controlled, 12-month randomized trial. British Journal of Dermatology, 2002. 146(6): p. 992-9.

31. Whiting, D.A. and C. Jacobson, Treatment of female androgenetic alopecia with minoxidil 2%. International Journal of Dermatology, 1992. 31(11): p. 800-4.

Moreover, at least one minoxidil expert (I suppose) has claimed that minoxidil and CUs work synergistically. I don't know of any studies to support that claim, and I didn't say there were any. I simply stated something to the effect that there is some evidence for that. Informed claims made by experts count as evidence.

(above emphasis mine)

WHAT????? Good Lord! A claim is NEVER evidence of any sort, no matter who makes it.

Take a logic class. Of course a claim by an informed expert is evidence. I mean, you believe that the earth is roughly 93 million miles from the sun, right? Do you think that your belief is a reasonable one? Have you ever measured that distance yourself? Do you know exactly how it is calculated? Have you read and digested the process by which those measurements have been made? Do you understand completely the theories behind those measurements? If not, then you are basing that belief on a claim someone made at some point. And that's perfectly reasonable. In fact, that's how get most of our information.

You're really advertising your ignorance at this point.

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[Ouroboros]

Great posts guys. Since this thread is a few years old can anyone tell me if all this copper peptide goodness is still relevant? And does it have any bad sides (libido problems, chest pains etc)?

 

[suicidedude]

Is this still recommended? Read that it thickens up the existing hair.. is it true?