My observations on NW3 effect my 22 year old dating life

buckeyeblitz

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Hey guys, I'm a short-time lurker of these forums, and decided I should finally just register. It's been a blessing to find these forums, as it provides me with a place where I can laugh, become motivated, share depression, and above all else, RELATE (something very difficult to do, at my age when it comes to baldness)

I'm a NW3 (and quickly moving up), and believe it or not, I have gotten to this point over the course of about 6 months. I noticed a slight recession at 21, but it was so negligible that nobody noticed, even if I pointed it out. Within the past 3 months, the rate of my hair falling out has increased seemingly tenfold. At the current rate, I should be a full on NW5 by the end of the year, possibly next year. Either way, I'm a 22 yr old college student, and it's pretty difficult.

I always had a very shaggy head of hair, that I used to style, and really based my identity around. I never had sharp features (very babyfaced), so having great hair really was my saving grace, that and being 6'3 (albeit relatively thin).

Being that I have lost my hair so ridiculously quickly, I have unfortunately been exposed to how much it changes your dating life. This has also been exacerbated by the fact that last month I finally had to cut the shaggy hair I have always had, and had to break out the number 1 guard. Short hair never really suited me, and certainly, short hair with a five (six, seven?) head really doesn't do me any favors.

All of that aside, I am still myself, and so despite such a drastic change in my appearance, I am still unfortunately mentally accustomed to being treated a certain way by women. I have always been mildly successful with girls. I have to work for them and go out of my way, but I have always been able to land about 1-2 good looking girls a year, and maybe get attention from lesser girls on a monthly basis.

That all has seemed to disappear, and not for a lack of confidence, or a change in my behaviors, as I have to credit myself for being very positive, unassuming, and brave through this whole sh*t storm.

I am not ridiculed, so much as just invisible. In some sense, I feel as though no girls truly view me as a peer. Girls 18-20 who were previously right in my wheelhouse (girls always seem to like guys a couple years older) now view me as being too old. Girls my own age seem to have the same thought. I am paradoxically young looking, and old looking all at once. I don't have the striking, masculine features to attract older girls. Not even close, in fact, my attempts are really just viewed as comical or endearing.

to younger girls, im creepy and awkward, to older ones, I'm endearing.

Remember, prior to this whole thing, I had the same issues, but to a much lesser extent, and there were at least scattered and moderately consistent successes.

Despite this, I feel bound and determined to get it right. I do not view this as the end, so much as an awkward transition phase. Although I know my baldness will progress, I know that this will be the most difficult time. I am not used to it, I have not developed the coping skills, the confidence, or at least the ambivalence, so this is quite difficult now.

I have started a very strict workout regime, which has yielded great results, but so far, hasn't translated to any more attention from the opposite sex. I suppose facial attractiveness is far more important than bodily aestheticness, because if a guy with a full head of hair had my body, they would clean up (I know that sounds both whiney and smug, but you'd be hardpressed to convince me otherwise).

I read the posts here, and oddly, I am more pessimistic. I very much hope that the negative posts here are a result of the nature of the boards (a support forum, afterall), but they certainly help me in knowing that others suffer a similar affliction.

This is getting long, and I have a lot to say, but I'll leave that for future posts. Thanks for being here guys, and I look forward to sharing advice, successes, failures, and good humour with you all!

-buckeye
 

Primo

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buckeyeblitz said:
Despite this, I feel bound and determined to get it right. I do not view this as the end, so much as an awkward transition phase. Although I know my baldness will progress, I know that this will be the most difficult time. I am not used to it, I have not developed the coping skills, the confidence, or at least the ambivalence, so this is quite difficult now.

Good to hear you're keeping up the fight man! Definitely persevere with the resilient attitude too because the "awkward transition phase" is what seems to break the spirit of some guys here, after which they seem to give up on life completely and begin posting negative sh*t here 24/7 to vent their frustrations.

It's important to stay positive because over time, like you say, you will develop coping skills and confidence in social situations to deal with it.

Good Luck!
 

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Hey 21 year old NW3 diffuse reporting in here. I got very different reactions from when I applied toppik to my hair versus when I didn't this past semester at college. Like it's almost subconscious... The girl can tell something is different about your hair but don't really know what... they just like the thickness the toppik adds to the hair.

Anyway I got a gf this semester and about 2 months into the relationship she found out I wear toppik after we had some fun in the shower and she could see my hair wet. I thought since the relationship was so young that she would break it off. Surprisingly she claims she doesn't care and we are now in our 4th month of the relationship. I still feel like she will change her mind when I am a full blown NW5 (who knows?) but there is nothing I can do about that this is out of my control.

My circle of friends has a bald guy in it. I am talking a full NW6 shaved head guy and this guy is big. 6 foot 3 inches buff physique about 16% body fat and pretty good facial genetics. He acts like a jerk and when we go to the bar he picks up a lot of 5/10s and 4/10 girls. Even some below average looking girls turn him down still. From what I hear from my other buddies he still gets laid by drunken barsluts. I don't really know what to make of that, and I don't know if it's true.

All I know is that I won't mind marrying and settling down with a 4/10 ugly or chubby girl. I will take one or the other, chubby with good face or ugly with good body. I feel like this is the sacrifice I have to accept since I am balding.
 

wessneijder

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Buckeye do you feel that you have lowered your standards since you have lost hair? Or when you say you have had a lower dating life do you mean the really hot girls just aren't talking to you anymore?

The reason I say this is that I work at a sandwhich shop near my campus. Needless to say I see a lot of people including lots of college couples. There are balding student guys with gfs; none of these girls are hot though... Most are below average... Still, I find myself filled with a bit of hope thinking well I may not get a girl with a pretty face but at least I won't be alone.

This one NW4 guy comes in with a girl with a really smoking hot body but with some moderate acne on her face. I wouldn't mind giving her one...
 

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You lot on here make me howl.Constantly rating women out of ten,and saying now you are bald/balding you will only be able too obtain below average/average women.Who the f**k says you would be able too attract good looking women IF you still had hair....theres must be alot of model material types on here! in that case!
 

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I'm a 25yo NW3 and I can say that I honestly attract much more attractive females now than I did when I was 18-20 and had much better hair.

Can't speak for anyone above NW3, but from my own experience I think a confident, self-assured NW3 is infinitely more attractive to women in the dating game, than a insecure, unconfident NW1-2.

Guys who trudge around unconfidently with their insecurities never seem to realise or understand just how grossly unattractive their lifeless body language is to women around them. It's literally enough to repel any woman, doesn't matter how good your hair looks, I know myself.
 

Ori83

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Primo you dont look like Norwood 3, you look like nw6 in that picture man :/
 

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:laugh: ermmm sorry that's not actually me in the avatar pic btw!... still, if my bald head looked as good as his, I'd shave tomorrow and forget about my hair problems altogether!
 

buckeyeblitz

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wessneijder said:
Buckeye do you feel that you have lowered your standards since you have lost hair? Or when you say you have had a lower dating life do you mean the really hot girls just aren't talking to you anymore?

I have actually have a girlfriend and have been dating her for almost a year now. The thread title might be a little confusing because of this, because although I don't cheat on her, or look to do anything like that, I still can tell how balding has affected my chances with the opposite sex. Does that make sense? My current girlfriend met me when I had the shaggy hair, and didn't know anything about my balding, because it didn't really start to fall out rapidly until about 3 months ago. She says it doesn't affect her feelings about me, and actually likes my short hair. Oddly enough, I think she actually feels that way, she was never a fan of my shaggy hair even when I had it, always trying to get me to buzz it when she thought I had a full head of hair. She is very attractive.

But to answer your question, no, I don't think it has lowered my standards, and I refuse to let it do so. At the end of the day, I still have a lot of things going for me. I'm tall (6'3), and although I'm not naturally blessed with movie star good looks, I have a warm smile and nice eyes. I am also a bit of a health freak, as my body is something I know I have control of, and hair loss has only fueled my love for working out. IMO, the worst part about hair loss is that you have no control over it. When it comes to your body and your mind, you are in the drivers seat. I also have a very good sense of humour, and am very intelligent. I know this sounds very smug or however you want to put it, but I am dead set on focusing on my strengths. We all have them, and I'm sure you do as well.

So no, my standards will never be lowered. My expectations may, but not my standards.

Thanks for the reply man, it sounds like you are in a similar boat as me. I remember when me and my gf started dating and she always wanted to fool around in the shower, and could never figure out why I refused everytime!
 

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6'3
young (22 yo)
warm smile
nice eyes
nw3
hot body
hot gf


I'd really really really like to punch buckeyeblitz in the nose.
 

buckeyeblitz

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Primo said:
I'm a 25yo NW3 and I can say that I honestly attract much more attractive females now than I did when I was 18-20 and had much better hair.

Can't speak for anyone above NW3, but from my own experience I think a confident, self-assured NW3 is infinitely more attractive to women in the dating game, than a insecure, unconfident NW1-2.

Guys who trudge around unconfidently with their insecurities never seem to realise or understand just how grossly unattractive their lifeless body language is to women around them. It's literally enough to repel any woman, doesn't matter how good your hair looks, I know myself.

Great post! I often catch myself doing just that, trudging around unconfidently, and I do my best to change those attitudes. I also know what it feels like to strut around with complete confidence, and the reactions you get from people are so different. The common denominator is that in each situation, you still LOOK the same. I would never be one of the people to go far as to say that hair loss has no effect on women's or society's snap judgments of you (it's true, we all have experienced to some capacity), but the truth is that you have to dictate to the world who you are, and what you expect. You don't have to be a prisoner to your looks.

I love reading posts like yours, man, it really helps me remember that there's hope whenever I get those occasional "mother f*****g sh*t genetics, being bald sucks" moods. :D
 

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CaptainForehead said:
6'3
young (22 yo)
warm smile
nice eyes
nw3
hot body
hot gf


I'd really really really like to punch buckeyeblitz in the nose.

Sorry, I had a feeling when I was writing that I would risk coming off as cavalier.

young (22 yo) - Not much to say about this, but many would contend being on a hair loss support site at 22 isn't the most ideal situation for a 22 year old

warm smile - warm smile, those are choice words. Notice I did not say WHITE smile, or NICE smile. My teeth are actually quite bad, but I think everyone looks more attractive when they smile, even though I think my gummy smile makes me look goofy

nice eyes - I do think I have nice eyes.

nw3 - It's not a knock on anybody else here further along than me, man. I will be a NW4 within a couple of months, and surely a NW5 within a year or 2. My hair is falling out quite rapidly, which I think is what scares me so much. It's not so much where I'm at now, but the idea of knowing that everytime I look in the mirror, that's the most hair I will ever see on my head ever again.

hot body - I said I'm a health freak, not that I have a hot body. I work very very very hard to be just heavy enough to not get confused for a holocaust survivor. Being 190 lbs at 6'3 is hardly Mr. Olympia status.

hot gf - I can't argue this one! But she didn't fall in my lap. I had to win her over with confidence and have to deal with her getting hit on in a daily manner. Plus, it's not like it's any guarantee things work out, nor does it mean I will or will not get hot girlfriends in the future.

I might be misinterpreting your post, it's quite possible you were kidding! But I felt the need to clear any confusion, so that I am not coming off as some jerk who is here to brag about how well I'm doing. My intention was really to say that we all have great things about us, whether we choose to acknowledge them or not! Most of us, and definitely in my case, are our own worst enemies and harshest critics. I'm just trying to turn that around. There is no logical reason that we can't be our own biggest fans.

Again, if I misinterpreted your post, just ignore this! :)
 

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seb said:
You lot on here make me howl.Constantly rating women out of ten,and saying now you are bald/balding you will only be able too obtain below average/average women.Who the f**k says you would be able too attract good looking women IF you still had hair....theres must be alot of model material types on here! in that case!

Just because he rated women's attractiveness on a 1-10 scale makes him wrong in some way? Are we willing to admit that people vary in physical attractiveness? Would it not then be a deviation from that acknowledgment to say that it's unfair to describe people based on that?

I'm really confused as to what your point is here. Is it that off the mark to speculate (right or wrong) that we could possibly have more physically attractive girls respond to him if he had a full head of hair? I just feel like that's an assumption that is thrown around this board a lot, and it probably has some base. So I am a bit confused by your scorn of what he said.

Nobody said they would be parading around with perfect 10's if they had hair, you are projecting.
 

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Many imply on here that IF they had/still had hair then they could attain good looking girls.Just the whole mentality of rating women/people is pathetic IMO.
 

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seb said:
Many imply on here that IF they had/still had hair then they could attain good looking girls.Just the whole mentality of rating women/people is pathetic IMO.

mmm.. its not about scoring with hot women, its more about evening the playfield. this game should played "fair" and a 23 yo with chrom dome usually wont stand a chance with a young woman against his nw0 adversary... so yeah... :?
 

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barcafan said:
the game should be played fair? who said life is fair
Thats my point, its not fair... and sadly, we are on the losing team :)
 

buckeyeblitz

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Ori83 said:
barcafan said:
the game should be played fair? who said life is fair
Thats my point, its not fair... and sadly, we are on the losing team :)

We have to be on the team with a bit of a handicap, but that doesn't mean we have to be on the losing team. Just think about it as playing in 'hard mode' haha.

One thing I try to remember is how unremarkable most guys are when you really consider the competition in the dating scene. As bad as it sounds, you have to capitalize on the patheticness of a lot of guys these days. Most guys are afraid to even approach a girl, and unless one falls in their lap or makes the first move, they wont even try! (I am included in that group sometimes, most of the time actually, but I know it's something I can plausibly change)

And then when it comes to things like dressing nice, being social, and in shape, most guys are pretty average. We might have a handicap, but the standards are low, gentleman!

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Ori83 said:
barcafan said:
the game should be played fair? who said life is fair
Thats my point, its not fair... and sadly, we are on the losing team :)


the only thing that can defeat you is yourself. Prevail as much as you possibly can, and you will be mentally stronger than most people out there
 

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buckeyeblitz said:
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One thing I try to remember is how unremarkable most guys are when you really consider the competition in the dating scene. As bad as it sounds, you have to capitalize on the patheticness of a lot of guys these days. Most guys are afraid to even approach a girl, and unless one falls in their lap or makes the first move, they wont even try!

Absolutely spot on there Buck!

If you have that ballsy confidence and the guts to approach women, anywhere, anytime, you're already 100miles ahead of the competition... No good being a NW1 pretty boy if all you're gonna do is sit in the corner and sip your drink all night long, this is what the majority of guys do...

...or maybe after 7 drinks, they muster up the courage to approach one girl out of sheer desperation and frustration and subsequently get burned.... and that's them done for the entire night! :woot:

I always see this sh*t in the club and it cracks me up, you can tell they hate it too, when an average looking NW3 dude like me manages to do so well! :laugh:
 
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