My Zix Experience - How B6 And Zinc Have Saved My Hair

[bucksins6x]

Vitro studies are promising but don’t always translate well into the real life. And it’s the only study iirc

Is there evidence that they ever performed the study on humans or if this source is even accurate? Wasn’t this study done like 30 years ago

 

[sonictemples]

Is there evidence that they ever performed the study on humans or if this source is even accurate? Wasn’t this study done like 30 years ago

Nope, only on a petri dish. That’s what a vitro study is.

 

[sonictemples]

I think there are more.

Btw, it's a fact that a high dose of zinc is anti androgenic.

Would you share the ones you know?

 

[sonictemples]

http://advinfoprod.com/hair_formulas_30.htm

I also saw some new studies but I need need to find them again.

One of them is the study we know, the other one is on rats and the third one is about sebum and not androgens. I hope there's a legitimate one

 

[sonictemples]

They are "legitimate", it's not because it's a study based on animals or in vitro that it's automatically trash. Do you even know how the scientific world works?

Btw, talking about "legitimacy", you don't want to disclose the mystery company you're talking about. Lol, we just need to trust you and assume that study was trash because some french company doesn't produce any products anymore with zinc an b6?

The real question is; are you legitimate?

And in the end, the only thing that matters is that zix helps many men.

Chill out my boy, I asked the person to give me permission to talk about a company he worked for, the company isn't cited on the study and I am not willing to give any confidential information to random people like you.

Let me break this one for you.

A petri dish and a human scalp with lots of organs and pathways are extremely different, I hope you got this one.

Secondly, rats had a better respond to black tea than they did to finasteride, and can we regrow hair by taking tea supplements, no.

Thirdly, sebum isn't just controlled by androgens, if that was the case women wouldn't have acne.


You are obviously overprotective over zix which shows lack of trust and understanding of something, you want to prove someone something? Prove your point, don't throw flames out of your mouth for no reason. Zix may work, but there's no evidence that you have posted proves its antiandrogenic effects.

 

[sonictemples]

Update: Their hair supplements do have zinc sulfate but the product was marketed to help with oxidative stress and vitality of the hair.

Their hair serum have certain botanicals that have antiandrogenetic effects but not the azelaic acid and zinc.

The person also said that the project was dropped which makes me think that they were going to conduct in-vivo studies but decided not to for some reason.

 

[sonictemples]

Okay it's obvious you don't know how the scientific community conducts their trials and why. Do you know how much in vivo studies cost?

And sure you can say whatever you want about your mystery company, but you can't expect us to trust you, some new member who's making these weird and shady comments with no scientific credentials and a clear lack of understanding how the scientific world works.

And even more funny are the conclusions you are drawing from a couple of studies you cherry picked out of that list I linked you.

So tell us what's your agenda? Mine is simple, I don't like autists to post misinformation and discredit zix and thus pulling men away from a cheap, safe and easy maintenance treatment.

Get on topical fina if you want a more "effective" AA.

Get on that link that you've posted to see if there are any other studies which was linked to zix? You are way too aggressive for a zinc enthusiast, my dude. I've been on zix for nearly a year now, it helps but that doesn't make it an antiandrogen.

As for the company, they are big enough to conduct in-vivo studies, at least that was what I've gathered from their website.

 

[sonictemples]

Look, I appreciate you trying to "improve" the zix formula but you dismissing studies because a lack of understanding and other shady tactics makes me suspicous of your true intent.

And why wouldn't zinc be anti androgenic? If I recall correctly, a low dose is pro androgenic and higher doses are anti androgenic. I'm sure @badhabiz could clear that up too.

Well, I hope so. Calling someone autistic and a part of an agenda is not appreciation. I will continue the quest by myself, so I won’t be judged for questioning. Have a good one. No one gives a sh*t about helping me too, I always go through this sh*t by myself. I went through and contacted the dude who conducted the damn study, I am sure no one else did in this 20 year old period.

 

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The important part is that a treatment works, as it did for the thread creator and many others, no matter how it works. Some treatments work without being antiandrogenic. Some work better against fibrosis, calcification and inflammation, which are other important contributors to hair loss.

Well, I hope so. Calling someone autistic and a part of an agenda is not appreciation. I will continue the quest by myself, so I won’t be judged for questioning. Have a good one. No one gives a sh*t about helping me too, I always go through this sh*t by myself. I went through and contacted the dude who conducted the damn study, I am sure no one else did in this 20 year old period.

As Mario and I have proven, lone heroes can achieve great victories.

 

[sonictemples]

The important part is that a treatment works, as it did for the thread creator and many others, no matter how it works. Some treatments work without being antiandrogenic. Some work better against fibrosis, calcification and inflammation, which are other important contributors to hair loss.

As Mario and I have proven, lone heroes can achieve great victories.

I’ll hopefully come with a solution. Godspeed!

 

[sonictemples]

I hope he doesn’t get mad at me for sharing this, just to prove my point. I’ll be in contact with him if I can.

 

[sonictemples]

Why did you delete the discord? And lol at you saying worm is a NW3 and lost 4 Norwood levels, luckily the guy called you out on your bs.

Never-expiring invite link: https://discord.gg/7S9snFk

Shady as fck.

You have problems, I don’t want to deal with your issues anymore. First of all I never claimed him to be a NW4, I said that he lost 3 norwoods (NW0-3) which is not ideal for us. Most of us are NW2s so 3 more norwoods are basically bald for most.

That’s the reason why somebody should not give a sh*t about helping others, here I am beating my *** off for a project that no one gave a single sh*t about.

Please go ahead and spread your bullcrap somewhere else, you have been here for three years and yet to do anything positive for Zix, here I am, in 2 months contacted the people and the company conducting studies on Zix, asking them what was their reason of moving on to in-vivo studies (And seems like they were going to).

Have a good day mate, I am sure you will sit an another 3 years too.

 

[sonictemples]

So why did you delete the discord then? Was it because someone called you out on your lies? And your screenshot doesn't prove anything.

Like I said, weird and shady behaviour.

Do I have to explain you why I deleted MY OWN SERVER? I clearly said that I am done with the bs and going to move on individually from now on. I don’t have to prove you anything, leave me tf alone and do your thing.

 

[badhabiz]

Look, I appreciate you trying to "improve" the zix formula but you dismissing studies because a lack of understanding and other shady tactics makes me suspicous of your true intent.

And why wouldn't zinc be anti androgenic? If I recall correctly, a low dose is pro androgenic and higher doses are anti androgenic. I'm sure @badhabiz could clear that up too.

its a very mild 5- alpha reductase inhibitor, has real anti androgenic properties at very high dosage, but its effects are much wider.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17984944 "The results indicate that exercise decreases thyroid hormones and testosterone in sedentary men; however, zinc supplementation prevents this decrease. Administration of a physiologic dose of zinc can be beneficial to performance."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7271365 "The effects of zinc therapy on plasma testosterone (T), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and sperm count were studied in 37 patients with idiopathic infertility of more than five years duration. In the first group (T less than 4.8 ng/ml; 22 patients), T and DHT rose significantly after oral administration of zinc, as did the sperm count. Nine wives became pregnant, six within 3 months and three within 2 months of a second trial. In the second group (T greater than or equal to 4.8 ng/ml; 15 patients), T and sperm count were unaffected by zinc, while DHT increased significantly"
so, again, is dose dipendent, supplemental zinc was able to increase circulating DHT in all subjects, but only when the group was divided into men with testosterone below a certain threshold (4.8ng/mL) and above were there modifications in testosterone, fertility, and sperm count; ultimately, men with infertility associated with low circulating testosterone benficially responded to zinc supplementation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3207614 "When added at concentrations of 3 or 9 mmol/l, zinc was a potent inhibitor of 5 alpha-reductase activity." but you cant possibly reach that levels with zix or with oral stantard supplementation. this is an example of what can you reach with supplementation of 50mg of elemental zinc (which is 220mg picolinate zinc daily...) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12105816

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20446777 "These results suggest that although zinc administration did not have a definite effect on hemodialysis patients with sexual dysfunction, it can cause increase in the serum level of sex hormones which may improve the sexual function of the patients in some aspects."

also, very important, it tends to deplete (in the long run) copper which is directly linked to estrogens (copper drops, estrogens follow). so its impossible to say it has anti androgenic properties because its a mild 5- alpha reductase inhibitor, due to its capacity to regulate estrogens by various patterns.

 

[sonictemples]

I would like to get my account permanently deleted @Roberto_72 to be free from this unnecessary drama, please.

One day, I will find the damn cure, when that day comes we’ll talk. Cheers.

 

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I would like to get my account permanently deleted @Roberto_72 to be free from this unnecessary drama, please.

One day, I will find the damn cure, when that day comes we’ll talk. Cheers.

May I suggest that you stay and find a way to avoid letting this bring you down? We will miss you. We decide how we feel. I turned into a calmer, happier person after I realized this.

 

[sonictemples]

May I suggest that you find a way to avoid letting this bring you down? We will miss you. We decide how we feel. I turned into a calmer, happier person after I realized this.

We definitely had a good talk, you are a great person there’s no doubt to that.

I am using the zix for 9 months myself, contacted the study conducter, created a Discord server to unite and be more organized, posted in several biochemistry forums to find a way to get Zix more effective.

Yet got called autistic, liar, shady and way too many things for me to handle from internet.

I am quite proud that I will find a cure to this, I still have a long life ahead of me and that much time for me to focus on androgenetic alopecia.

I will get in contact with you in the future if I can find anything viable. Also @badhabiz was very nice to me and prevented me from using finasteride before trying other options.

I want to thank anyone who has tried to help me out. You guys may’ve known me as sonictemples, because my temples are going faster than Sonic the hedgehog. That being said I truly believe that, one day you guys will know me as my real-self, hopefully with a solution to this curse.

My intentions are always giving back, being nice and helping others.

I don’t think the negativity/judgment of some individuals are not worth it for me to stick here longer.

Godspeed.

 

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We definitely had a good talk, you are a great person there’s no doubt to that.

I am using the zix for 9 months myself, contacted the study conducter, created a Discord server to unite and be more organized, posted in several biochemistry forums to find a way to get Zix more effective.

Yet got called autistic, liar, shady and way too many things for me to handle from internet.

I am quite proud that I will find a cure to this, I still have a long life ahead of me and that much time for me to focus on androgenetic alopecia.

I will get in contact with you in the future if I can find anything viable. Also @badhabiz was very nice to me and prevented me from using finasteride before trying other options.

I want to thank anyone who has tried to help me out. You guys may’ve known me as sonictemples, because my temples are going faster than Sonic the hedgehog. That being said I truly believe that, one day you guys will know me as my real-self, hopefully with a solution to this curse.

My intentions are always giving back, being nice and helping others.

I don’t think the negativity/judgment of some individuals are not worth it for me to stick here longer.

Godspeed.

This sounds like Joe, the creator of Zix, before leaving hair loss forums. There is indeed much negativity here. It is like a bar at a hospital. I see it as one of many places where we can learn how to overcome negativity.

 

[sonictemples]

This sounds like Joe, the creator of Zix, before leaving hair loss forums. There is indeed much negativity here. It is like a bar at a hospital. I see it as one of many places where we can learn how to overcome negativity.

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You are right, I am the second Joe maybe, haha, hopefully two Joes are enough to put an end to this disease.

I might come back soon, I didn’t get the help I need and now I am slowing down. I need to gear things up to catch up with the things I’ve missed.

I’ll get back to you and a few nice people here soon, take care by then.

 

[Omega2327]

Lol