New Dermaroller Study; Thoughts, comments?

[Youcandoit]

Yeap. I started eating better too, but it was a little bit before i started rolling. I ear a lot of broccoli, it is great for the skin and health (so also to your hair), and it has evidence to back up that it regulates estrogen, so i took it to counter some of the finasteride side effects. I have been eating more clean and supplementing with Fish Oil and Resveratrol, i also eat curcumin with my chicken. All these made my skin a LOT better, no more acne problems at all, and my energy levels too. I don't know if it had great effect on my hair. But since the skin is way way way better, the hair probably is too. I figured. Well, if i am going to make my scalp blood flow better, why not put a lot of good nutrients and vitamins inside my body to make my hair healthier?

My doctor started using carboxytherapy. I think it works in a similar way to the violet ray you described. The CO2 injected makes the cells consume more oxygen or something like that and it helps a LOT the blood flow. I only did 2 times, so i don't know about the effects yet. But, as i said, i think my hair got thicker and longer after doing it (since i did 2 times, i have like almost 2 months of observation - i couldn't do the procedure exactly twice a month in dezember/november because of the festivities).

I am pretty help with the DR. Without it, as i always say, i would probably be almost entirely bald by now. And gladly i am not.

yeah I think you need a good mental attitude with this, seems like everyone who believed it would work is growing hair vs those who need to see proof every week, I liked pics to raise excitement, but new it would work. Only evidence I needed was that scars cause hair to grow around scars, and it's pretty much common sense, your body can heal itself and only produces stem cells when needed, the cure will always lie in stem cells. GL

 

[2young2retire]

just a reminder cause thread gets loooong and newbies dont see the roots.
it is not dermarolling as it used to be to cause increased delivery of topicals.it is heavy rolling or any other skin friction method to produce a safe wound .it just happens that we used a dermaroller. and speaking of DR you need at least 1.5mm.

 

[The Far Side]

@fred if it worked for me why would I care to get your approval? Why would I owe you pictures? I understand it helps you but you're forgetting one thing... Why do I care, and what do I owe you? You guys act like everyone owes you the right and they don't... I didn't say it worked for me yet, I hope it does the point is I nutted up and tried it instead of telling everyone they owed me proof before I tried it

People come to the forum, look at other people's pictures, stories, ideas etc. and get some benefit from that. When those people then go on to get results influenced by stuff they read here I would hope they might feel an obligation to contribute something back to the community (perhaps pictures). People that come and soak up some information then disappear without sharing anything about their own experiences isn't helpful to the forum or the "cause".

In an industry full of scammers, "snake oils" etc. people making bold claims on the forum without making an attempt to document them with pictures can be unhelpful too. I'm not talking about people writing about their experience with a product like "regenpure made my hair feel a bit flat" or something, I mean people claiming miracle regrowth then disappearing without providing any evidence. Sure, people don't "owe" anyone pictures - but we owe it to eachother to make an effort. Sharing results and pictures benefits everybody. If more successful derma rollers made an effort to post pictures of their results it would encourage others to start rolling, which would in turn lead to more stories and pictures from rollers in the future - more information for everyone. It might even encourage other DR veterans to come out of the woodwork with some pictures.

 

[The Far Side]

@IDWALKER and @KORLICBUS so please explain to me how "emphasizing the importance of proof" because you don't believe them at their word is going to change whether people feel that obligation to share evidence with you... @idwalker not impulsive? You're in here champ tell me how visiting a hair loss site for hair loss tips is any less impulsive than trying a treatment with absolutely no side effects... I think you need to just nut up homie... I'm actually curious how hair loss has become a problem for you already, usually male pattern baldness hits after your balls drop...

I'm not saying I don't believe everyone but this is the internet and this industry seems to be particularly full of charlatans. Moderators on this very forum have been removed in the past because they were being payed (afaik) to push particular products for a start...

Why I like pictures:

• Results are very subjective, I'm fed up seeing NW0's coming on the forum and calling themselves a NW3 and thinking they have a male pattern baldness problem when they don't. People get very skewed perceptions of their own hair situation and a picture speaks a thousand words and allows people to judge the situation (and progress) for themselves...
• This thread is 488 pages long and lots of it is spam, a picture stands out
• A picture is clear proof, people can claim anything in text - fiddling with a picture to decieve takes much more effort

Again, I'm not saying I don't believe everyone here but a picture makes any claims infinitely more credible and may be more helpful to people who don't fancy trawling through 488 pages 30% of which is ****e. Will "emphasizing the importance of proof" help motivate people to share evidence? Probably not. Will a gentle reminder of how important photo evidence can be help? I hope so. Dunno why you're being so combative about this and resorting to mud slinging and talking about some guys nuts repeatedly. I do agree that if people don't feel any obligation to contribute to a community which has helped them, then nagging them to do so probably won't change their mind, which is a shame.

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I'm going to start rolling soon and since I like being at least slightly scientific about things, and because I only started some other treatments again recently (minoxidil, spironolactone) - I've decided to roll one side of my hairline. That way I hope I'll be able to contribute something to the DR'ing discussion and I hardly feel I'll be "sabotaging" my treatment. I wouldn't consider rolling as risk free as you keep claiming it to be. Skipping all topical treatments for 24 hours, perhaps as often as once every 7 days represents a risk in treating your male pattern baldness to me. We've also had someone mentioning giving up due to an infection, which was my main concern, and we have fred who's managed to carve a hole in his head...

 

[I.D WALKER]

Good for you Korlicbus! Like you, if or when I decide to experiment with DR ,I intend to share my own experience in the most meticulous and methodical way I can. I am glad to hear others' success claims. I can do without the sensationalism. Like many here I am committed to helping not hindering others to make better informed decisions. Thank you for your contributions. Best Wishes.

 

[Chromeo]

Thanks guys, I expect to see your baseline pictures in the next 1 or 2 days.

 

[pubic]

Topical Blood Theory

After doing my 5th roll today (the bloodiest yet), a thought occured to me: what if dermarolling works by short circuiting the damaged vascular system of male pattern baldness? Whatever the reason, DHT, miniaturization, or something else, there is evidence that the blood supply has a harder time reaching male pattern baldness follicles. By gushing blood over our scalps, perhaps we provide a bath of nutrients to otherwise starved follicles, and washing the scalp immediately after rolling may not be the best idea.

People who have been seeing results: how long do you leave your scalp bloody after rolling?

 

[2young2retire]

we wipe it with alcohol tabs. and yes what you say is one of the reasons it works too. it is called angiogenesys.

 

[ocenmar]

maybe Valproic Acid would be better than minoxidil, in combination with a dermaroller.
it supports the wnt pathway and helps to improve the wound healing process.



http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0048791

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=99761

 

[bushbush]

After doing my 5th roll today (the bloodiest yet), a thought occured to me: what if dermarolling works by short circuiting the damaged vascular system of male pattern baldness? Whatever the reason, DHT, miniaturization, or something else, there is evidence that the blood supply has a harder time reaching male pattern baldness follicles. By gushing blood over our scalps, perhaps we provide a bath of nutrients to otherwise starved follicles, and washing the scalp immediately after rolling may not be the best idea.

There is no evidence that male pattern baldness is caused by a lack of blood flow or 'nutrients'.

 

[2young2retire]

if you were pressing with the same force the first times as you did later then that indicates angiogenesys., consider that as a result to come.blood flow is n1 when it comes to hair

 

[2young2retire]

sunburn rednes go away after 3 days max. does it worth it to stop it? the redness indicate that stem cells are released/ it is good. as it goes for the scubs just wipe your head with alcohol tabs straight after operation.

 

[bushbush]

the redness indicate that stem cells are released

What do you base this information on?

 

[2young2retire]

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nm.3194 mlanocytes migrate straight up to epidermis after we caused the skin injury with the roller. melanocytes and melanocytes stem cells are being noticed b the purple reddish skin colour after a pounch in the face. a hit a general abrashion. some times if the wound is big they can stay for months. if the skin turns like that without injury or sunburn they indicate possible cancer(melanoma) or arthritis if they are close to a joint.

thats all.

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also melanocytes regular work is for our natural skin colour.

malanocyte stem cell slow renewal are responcible for graying hair(white hair) so i guess we are making our heads hair colour as it was with the controlled wound operation with a roller of 1.5mm and above(forced sufficient ofcourse)

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i am sorry dont keep archive of the studies i read. if i did i would be able to proove it like 1000% but on the other hand i sell nth. i am just an *ex* thinning young guy who wants to help you and help even further his head hair

 

[bushbush]

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nm.3194 mlanocytes migrate straight up to epidermis after we caused the skin injury with the roller. melanocytes and melanocytes stem cells are being noticed b the purple reddish skin colour after a pounch in the face. a hit a general abrashion. some times if the wound is big they can stay for months. if the skin turns like that without injury or sunburn they indicate possible cancer(melanoma) or arthritis if they are close to a joint.

thats all.

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also melanocytes regular work is for our natural skin colour.

malanocyte stem cell slow renewal are responcible for graying hair(white hair) so i guess we are making our heads hair colour as it was with the controlled wound operation with a roller of 1.5mm and above(forced sufficient ofcourse)

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i am sorry dont keep archive of the studies i read. if i did i would be able to proove it like 1000% but on the other hand i sell nth. i am just an *ex* thinning young guy who wants to help you and help even further his head hair

melanocytes and melanocytes stem cells are being noticed b the purple reddish skin colour after a pounch in the face.

The purple reddish skin colour after a punch in the face is due to internal bleeding not melanocytes.

While melanocytes are indeed involved in pigmentation of the skin (and hair), it is an substantiated jump to say for definite that the same mechanisms are at work after dermarolling.

 

[2young2retire]

not after dermarolling but after any skin wound. dont have time to search scholar again sorry

 

[hairregrowth21]

Pre-Rolling?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beta_alanine_plus_review.htm





Is deep wounding considered a tendon rupture?

Tendon ruptures are very serious, with a 50 week full recovery rate being about average.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson18.htm






Enhanced healing = more hair?

Using Nitric Oxide to Treat Tendinopathy

• George A C Murrell, MD, PhD (murrell.g@ori.org.au)

+ Author Affiliations

• St George Hospital Campus, University of New South Wales, Australia

• Published Online First 8 February 2007

Abstract

Nitric oxide is a small free radical generated by family of enzymes, the nitric oxide synthases. Following injury to a tendon, nitric oxide is induced by all three isoforms of nitric oxide synthase, the enzyme that makes nitric oxide. Nitric oxide synthase activity is also upregulated in tendinopathy. In animal models when nitric oxide synthase activity is inhibited by competitive inhibitors of nitric oxide synthase, tendon healing is reduced. When additional nitric oxide is added, tendon healing is enhanced. In humans in three randomized clinical trials, we have shown that nitric oxide delivered via a transdermal patch enhances the subjective and objective recovery of patients with tennis elbow, Achilles tendinosis and supraspinatus tendinosis.




http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2007/02/08/bjsm.2006.034447.abstract

 

[2young2retire]

as you see there is a conection between male pattern baldness and tendinopathy. replicel is also developing a cure for tendon abnoralities. they are identical.

 

[benjt]

What do you base this information on?

The redness does not indicate that stem cells are released. It is a sign of inflammation which, as a process, is triggered by the body itself in the early stages of healing and in immune responses.

the redness indicate that stem cells are released

2young2retire, as you are one of the most active users if not the most active user on this sobforum right now, please get your facts straight before claiming such things. Redness indicating stem cell release is just plain wrong.

 

[2young2retire]

ok i will search and find the published sheet about it, i dont make fantasy things/i read them on journals