No cure?

[Rawbbie]

Hopewas (a user here) sent a quote from NYU's Washenick which said that there will 'never be a secret ingredient for hair loss that works'

That is just so hard to believe.

Humans are able to:

-Split atoms
-Clone humans
-Grow human body parts on animals
-Reach the Moon and one day Mars
-Send signals from your cell phone up to a satellite in space and down again to the other side of the planet in under a second to talk to someone
-Soon will genetically program anyone's baby to have any physical attributes you want, and choose the sex of the fetus


Bullshit they can't find a cure, it's total crap.

They just aren't putting out the resources or time to find a cure, that's all.

But it's there.

 

[flux]

Rawbbie, the key word was "secret". IE, if theres a cure, it wont be on some tiny web site you found at the bottom of a google search, you'll see it all over the news. (or at least, all over these forums!)

 

[bombscience]

God that news will hit us like a bomb. How happy will be when some geneticist identifies what is really going on?

 

[Stingray]

Cure? Hairloss isn't actually a disorder to CURE. It's genetic. The only way to "cure" hairloss is to physically change your genetic code...which could have some rather interesting rammifications if not successful

 

[RalphyWiggum]

Stingray is right on with this one.

As a biology major who just took Genetics at CU, I have discussed this subject at great lengh here.

The term "cure" is a very deceptive word in terms of male pattern baldness. In the case of pattern lose a FULL CURE would constitute gene therapy that alters somatic and germ lines cells. A "cure" that meets this criteria might not be seen in our lifetime; however, I do full expect male pattern baldness to be a choice or a poverty nonchoice within this decade.

Furthermore, I think what Washenik meant with that comment is that you're not going to find some mythical folklore cure to male pattern baldness. The steps towards a true cure are progressive and everyone will know when that final step is made.

 

[bombscience]

Stingray is right on with this one.

As a biology major who just took Genetics at CU, I have discussed this subject at great lengh here.

The term "cure" is a very deceptive word in terms of male pattern baldness. In the case of pattern lose a FULL CURE would constitute gene therapy that alters somatic and germ lines cells. A "cure" that meets this criteria might not be seen in our lifetime; however, I do full expect male pattern baldness to be a choice or a poverty nonchoice within this decade.

Furthermore, I think what Washenik meant with that comment is that you're not going to find some mythical folklore cure to male pattern baldness. The steps towards a true cure are progressive and everyone will know when that final step is made.

By 2010? Interesting. Is this because of hope with HM? Topicals such as RU?

 

[mariejoe]

Better living through chemistry???

I wonder how many of us are suffering from hair loss, due to the environment, the chemicals in our food, the hormones (esp. estrogen) in our food?

THEY (the people who really run the country) don't want us too happy!

Another thought, what would we do if we woke up tomorrow with a full head of hair?? 8O

 

[RalphyWiggum]

By 2010? Interesting. Is this because of hope with HM? Topicals such as RU?

I'd say both. The RU and the BMP treatments to be released in the next five years should help everyone and anyone who wants to prevent male pattern baldness (at a cost of course) and Telogen Effluvium/HM should restore the hair of those who already possess the shorter end of the stick.

Better living through chemistry???

I wonder how many of us are suffering from hair loss, due to the environment, the chemicals in our food, the hormones (esp. estrogen) in our food?

THEY (the people who really run the country) don't want us too happy!

nah, its genetic man. We might be suffering from male pattern baldness EARLIER than ever due to these factors but they certainly aren't enough to cause someone who isn't genetically predispsed to hair loss to lose their hair.

I disagree with your second comment also. The powers that be want us to be happy and oblivious (obviously the happier your are the more apathic you become). Chomsky would call this manufacturing consent....

 

[bombscience]

Better living through chemistry???

I wonder how many of us are suffering from hair loss, due to the environment, the chemicals in our food, the hormones (esp. estrogen) in our food?

THEY (the people who really run the country) don't want us too happy!

Another thought, what would we do if we woke up tomorrow with a full head of hair?? 8O

Oh mariejoe, I could tell you right now. I would call up the girl I am way too insecure to make a move on and ask her out. I'd then visit the hairdresser and get one bad-*** spiked haircut.

And I would probably buy a round or 2 of drinks for anyone in this forum that is local.

 

[Theguy]

Forgive my ignorance but what are HM, RU, and BMP?

 

[RalphyWiggum]

Forgive my ignorance but what are HM, RU, and BMP?

No that's quite alright brother.

HM= Hair Multiplication- the reviival of old follicles using dermal papilla stem cells

Telogen Effluvium= Tissue Engineering-the neogenesis of follicles creating unlimit amount of donor hair for FUE

RU- Topical antiandrogen and 5ar inhibitor supposedly the most powerful and effective of its kind

BMP- Bone Morphogenic Protein- the new and most recently directing of hair loss treatment using such proteins to alter and inhibit proteasomes, decreasing inflammation and stimulating hair growth..

hope this helps...

 

[mariejoe]

nah, its genetic man. We might be suffering from male pattern baldness EARLIER than ever due to these factors but they certainly aren't enough to cause someone who isn't genetically predispsed to hair loss to lose their hair.

Well, no one in my family seems to be having this problem. At least no one that comes to mind immediately. My mom had all her hair, my day only thinned, like in his late 60's.

I disagree with your second comment also. The powers that be want us to be happy and oblivious (obviously the happier your are the more apathic you become). Chomsky would call this manufacturing consent....

Well, Ralphy, ya got me there . They do want us oblivious and sheep-like.

 

[RalphyWiggum]

I see, but what a lot of people don't realize is that the male pattern baldness-allele(s) are very tricksy, especially coming from the maternal side where the genes may be present but not expressed in the form of FPB...

 

[cosmo gene]

so in other words darwinian evolution, thus those with hair will all have to die leaving those without hair to replicate and repopulate the earth, Prez i can't see that happening, come on man simple f*****g evolution, what the f*** in the future everyone will be bald? man thats bullshit.

 

[RalphyWiggum]

there is and never will be a cure. its evolution of the human species. we were made to have hair because of the harsh environments we used to live in. now with houses and climate control hair no longer serves its purpose so we will evolve without it. dont feel bad in a couple thousand years everyone will be bald.

Dude you're a dipshiit. You don't even understand evolution via natural selection. Let me give you a brief Evolution for whigger dummies synopsis.

Natural selection, or the mechanism for evolution, is based off reproductive fitness. Since male pattern baldness does not postively or negatively affect reproductive fitness it has little to do with the evolution of mankind.

Anyone who would try to implicate male pattern baldness in evolution is a layman or in your case just plain retarded.

 

[RalphyWiggum]

how is it bullshit. think about it. many species lose things cus of a change in lifestyle. this makes perfect sense. we are losing hair because it is not essential to our survival. we needed it for warmth in the past now we dont. so we are losing it. this is how evolution works. you just cant accpept it cus you love hair so much.

HMMMM, I'm not going to waste my whole day explaining evolution to you, but you are wrong...

 

[Stingray]

He's actually correct though. Hair on humans is no longer necessary. Ever since man lived in shelters and learned to wear clothing... hair's only purpose was cosmetic. So, when an organ is no longer necessary, it is systematically phased out. Our appendix was once used hundreds of thousands of years ago (we assume to digest berry seeds and husks)...but since man learned to cultivate... they're only use is to line the pockets of surgeons.

Word.

 

[Chipper]

You are forgetting something.

Dont forget about the osteoscreen osh101. It could be very close to a cure.

 

[bombscience]

Re: You are forgetting something.

Dont forget about the osteoscreen osh101. It could be very close to a cure.

More infor for the newbie please. Link me

 

[flux]

Re: You are forgetting something.

More infor for the newbie please. Link me

What, you dont read my posts?

I mentioned the European Patent Application here.

You can find the original article on it here.

I have been following a thread on home-made OSH101 on another forum. As it turns out, this stuff is relativly simple to make! The only problem is that the Proteaosome Inhibitor used by these guys, aparently called PSI, costs $83 for 5mg, and in the trials, and it takes 5 GRAMS to make the full 100ml of the solution they are using in the trials. Thats right, you can make it yourself RIGHT NOW for a mere $83,000!!

There are other Proteaosome Inhibitiors that may be useful. With all the testing OsteoScreen has done, clearly PSI is the best, but something half as good might be much cheaper and still very effective. Who knows!