Oral min and oral castor oil only? Possible treatment?

[OralMinOnlyMaybe]

Yeah I’m on minoxidil only. Well unless you want to count the huge amount of supplements plus oils I use too. I’ve recently been taking oral castor oil as well to see if it can help.

the funny thing is my beard definitely got gains from minoxidil but I’m not sure how much from natural development vs minoxidil. I guess if I stopped using it then maybe I’ll find out?

Are you on oral min? What’s your dosage? And I’d bet min had a bit to do with your development if it was oral or applied directly to the beard, but chances are there’d have been at least some development at your age. And are you maintaining with just min and your supplements?

 

[Selb]

Are you on oral min? What’s your dosage? And I’d bet min had a bit to do with your development if it was oral or applied directly to the beard, but chances are there’d have been at least some development at your age. And are you maintaining with just min and your supplements?

I’m on foam topical min. Once a day nowadays. The dosage isn’t tracked that much since I use enough to cover my entire scalp since I have diffuse thinning.

In terms of maintenance I’d say it comes and goes. Like sometimes I’ll be above baseline and some days I’ll be below. Long term though I’d say my hair has gotten thicker but my hairline has weakened a bit. The reason why I haven’t done finasteride yet is because I’m not sure if my thinning is from Male pattern baldness or a result of Accutane thinning. I’m going to a dermatologist to confirm this

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I use castor oil on my scalp but not every night usually every couple of nights, it feels like my scalp gets overwhelmed if I use it to much.

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

I used castor oil and it gave me nothing but stickiness.

 

[OralMinOnlyMaybe]

Beards are genetic. Africans and Asians in particular have poor beard development unlike Europeans. It also has to do a lot with hormones. Bodybuilders are evidence for this as they tend to receive increased beard growth and a deeper voice from injecting steroids. I personally know a dude that had a poor beard until he hit his early 30s and now has pretty much full beard development.

But the fact that they’re genetic shows that it’s based on sensitivity to androgens and finasteride suppresses androgens. And the fact that your friend took until he was 30 to fully develop his beard shows that it’s not over by 21, as someone else has said. I think I’ll just go bald lol

but I’m consulting with a hair specialist to see if my hair can be maintained with PRP.

 

[Capone]

Beards are genetic. Africans and Asians in particular have poor beard development unlike Europeans. It also has to do a lot with hormones. Bodybuilders are evidence for this as they tend to receive increased beard growth and a deeper voice from injecting steroids. I personally know a dude that had a poor beard until he hit his early 30s and now has pretty much full beard development.

Asians have crap beards.. soy boys only have fluff

 

[OralMinOnlyMaybe]

Asians have crap beards.. soy boys only have fluff

And Asians go bald less. It would suck to be a bald Asian.

 

[Selb]

What’s the race/balding order?
Is it eastern native Americans ->Asians -> south Asians -> Hispanics -> North Africans/Arabs -> Africans -> white ethnicities

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

What’s the race/balding order?
Is it eastern native Americans ->Asians -> south Asians -> Hispanics -> North Africans/Arabs -> Africans -> white ethnicities

That's pretty close. I recently came across a site that mentioned explicitly that baldness appears to originate in the Mediterranean area and cascades outwards throughout North Africa, Europe and the levant.

I usually say Native Americas/Inuit have the least baldness and beard growth and male hair does not differ from what I can see from female hair in any way, quality or ability to grow long for people with pure genetics; Siberians tend to be in this same class, then you have Asians in general followed by Africans and then two mixtures of races in Hispanics and American blacks, both of which can bald heavily nevertheless and then you get to whites. Semites and people living close to the Mediterranean Sea seem to have the worst baldness and hair quality with Northern Europeans also suffering similarly but at lower rates perhaps.

One day, after being on here or Tressless you basically see that this is a Caucasian/Semitic issue in general with respect to baldness. With Hispanics with more Spanish blood, they have more hair loss. Those with mostly an Indian heritage have perfect hair. India seems left out but they have both heavy Mediterranean mixes and Indo-European mixes so many Indians from India do suffer from hair loss but it might be less so with the Dravidian aspect. Generally, I would put people from India between Africans and whites in terms of susceptibility. I see many people from India posting on hair loss sites but then again, India is very close to being the largest English-speaking country in the world so that might account for more participation relatively on hair loss sites.

 

[Selb]

That's pretty close. I recently came across a site that mentioned explicitly that baldness appears to originate in the Mediterranean area and cascades outwards throughout North Africa, Europe and the levant.

I usually say Native Americas/Inuit have the least baldness and beard growth and male hair does not differ from what I can see from female hair in any way, quality or ability to grow long for people with pure genetics; Siberians tend to be in this same class, then you have Asians in general followed by Africans and then two mixtures of races in Hispanics and American blacks, both of which can bald heavily nevertheless and then you get to whites. Semites and people living close to the Mediterranean Sea seem to have the worst baldness and hair quality with Northern Europeans also suffering similarly but at lower rates perhaps. One day, after being on here or Tressless you basically see that this is a Caucasian/Semitic issue in general with respect to baldness. With Hispanics with more Spanish blood, they have more hair loss. Those with mostly an Indian heritage have perfect hair.

It seems to be correlated with the level of androgenicity. Mediterraneans are fairly hairy, Northern Europeans less so. With Asians, Native Americans and Hispanics have little body hair. Interestingly enough Indians are very hairy but don’t have as much scalp hair loss. Could imply a certain lack of androgenic sensitivity in the follicles.

It would be helpful to catalogue what each ethnicity responds best to, treatment-wise.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

It seems to be correlated with the level of androgenicity. Mediterraneans are fairly hairy, Northern Europeans less so. With Asians, Native Americans and Hispanics have little body hair. Interestingly enough Indians are very hairy but don’t have as much scalp hair loss. Could imply a certain lack of androgenic sensitivity in the follicles.

It would be helpful to catalogue what each ethnicity responds best to, treatment-wise.

Yes and I always sigh when I see people weight beards against full coverage or taking their beard into account at all. Most guys shave every day anyway. But, it might have been Marky, someone expressed a link between minoxidil beards, which usually look silly, at least on FtM's (Sorry love you guys but this is non-PC) and some FtM's have made this assertion that they only began to bald after starting minoxidil beards. As you mention in terms of androgens, beards and good hair seem to be in opposition. Baldness and beard growth basically start at the same time with beard growth often maturing well into one's 40's. People in general and all females, who lack beards do not go bald. There is also a concern about possibly cross-talk between beard growth and hair growth where they signal each other. Essentially balding whites with huge beards are the inverse of white females with perfect hair.

Beards do contain pheromones and this seems to attract females relatively more when they are in estrus. Females prefer squarish heads with beards more at this point, than oval faces without beards but perfect hair. So there's that old adage about females liking hairy males more when in estrus and also much more in a pre-industrial society where beard growth is probably strongly related to androgenic strength. Males did amazing things that females just couldn't accomplish in the past or not easily like war, mining, farming, logging, working in steel mills. So yes baldness is relatively worse for us now because we can't make up for it anymore with androgenic aspects correlated with strength and endurance. It sucks to be male nowadays and it sucked hard in pre-industrial societies as men were often worn out by the age of 50. But for the big strong bald guys, it's especially sucky because chicks take all the good indoor jobs which they often have advantages in and guys are still stuck with all of the miserable jobs listed above.