Penis Size

[Chris87]

So if this stuff is used in treatment of micro penises..does that mean it'll make your junk bigger permanently?

It depends. A full grown penis shouldn't grow anymore. However, it did increase in both width and lenght in my case, and there are several others who have experienced this too. I definately did keep the added lenght - which was 1 cm, but I'm not sure about the width. It grew fast, and much more in width. It seems smaller now. It should be possible to maintain with continued use.

I've been on finasteride for 20 days. I've been experiencing watery semen, weird ejaculations, and i believe a decrease in volume. I also believe my erections have not been as hard as usual, and i lose them easier...and im not sure if im achieving the size i usually do. Also i've only had like 2 morning erections since starting and they've been weaker than usual. I still get random erections during the day here and there...and sexually i've been able to perform althogh like i said i dont think im as hard as usual.

Signs of trouble.

[quote:35hl5e18]I'm only on .5 mg a day..do you think i should stick with it for another month and see if these things get better? or maybe drop to .25? I'm also taking zinc everyday..i try to get 50mg a day (spready out over the day)..some days im better at remember to take it than others.

I will recommend pausing treatment until you're recovered. Recovery should be possible while continuing treatment with finasteride, but it'll be easier if you quit. You should use at least 50 mg zinc a day, and take all at once.

Do you think this gel would be useful as a preventative measure, also to restore erection strength?

Yes, but you have to deal with your testosterone/estrogen ratio first.[/quote:35hl5e18]

Thanks enden! Ok i'll start taking the zinc all at one time. I figured it was best to spread it out, as i figured your body can only absorb and use so much at once...but i of course could be very wrong.

My concern with stopping finasteride is... after reading message boards and hearing peoples experiences...it seems like a lot of people who get really messed up on finasteride are people who stop and start...they start..they stop and recover pretty quickly..they start again..they stop and recover but more slowly..they start again..they stop and they're all fucked up. Also i've been on it for such a short time I figured it was worth sticking it out for 2 months to see if 1. these things are just in my head (aside from the watery semen which obviously isnt) and 2. to see if my body adjusts. I dont want to send my body on a rollercoaster where im on and off finasteride...it made more sense to me to stay on it for a couple months and see how things leveled out while i do the zinc thing

Also, do you have any experience with horny goat weed? I take it if i know i'm going to have sex sometimes and it seems to cut down my resting period between sessions. Also it is proven to improve semen quality/sperm count. I took it last night and woke up this morning with morning wood. Think im going to try taking it daily

btw id say my sex drive is pretty much normal still

 

[Mens Rea]

So if this stuff is used in treatment of micro penises..does that mean it'll make your junk bigger permanently?

It depends. A full grown penis shouldn't grow anymore. However, it did increase in both width and lenght in my case, and there are several others who have experienced this too. I definately did keep the added lenght - which was 1 cm, but I'm not sure about the width. It grew fast, and much more in width. It seems smaller now. It should be possible to maintain with continued use.

I've been on finasteride for 20 days. I've been experiencing watery semen, weird ejaculations, and i believe a decrease in volume. I also believe my erections have not been as hard as usual, and i lose them easier...and im not sure if im achieving the size i usually do. Also i've only had like 2 morning erections since starting and they've been weaker than usual. I still get random erections during the day here and there...and sexually i've been able to perform althogh like i said i dont think im as hard as usual.

Signs of trouble.

[quote:wfp6r7pm]I'm only on .5 mg a day..do you think i should stick with it for another month and see if these things get better? or maybe drop to .25? I'm also taking zinc everyday..i try to get 50mg a day (spready out over the day)..some days im better at remember to take it than others.

I will recommend pausing treatment until you're recovered. Recovery should be possible while continuing treatment with finasteride, but it'll be easier if you quit. You should use at least 50 mg zinc a day, and take all at once.

[quote:wfp6r7pm]Do you think this gel would be useful as a preventative measure, also to restore erection strength?

Yes, but you have to deal with your testosterone/estrogen ratio first.[/quote:wfp6r7pm]

Thanks enden! Ok i'll start taking the zinc all at one time. I figured it was best to spread it out, as i figured your body can only absorb and use so much at once...but i of course could be very wrong.

My concern with stopping finasteride is... after reading message boards and hearing peoples experiences...it seems like a lot of people who get really messed up on finasteride are people who stop and start...they start..they stop and recover pretty quickly..they start again..they stop and recover but more slowly..they start again..they stop and they're all f***ed up. Also i've been on it for such a short time I figured it was worth sticking it out for 2 months to see if 1. these things are just in my head (aside from the watery semen which obviously isnt) and 2. to see if my body adjusts. I dont want to send my body on a rollercoaster where im on and off finasteride...it made more sense to me to stay on it for a couple months and see how things leveled out while i do the zinc thing

Also, do you have any experience with horny goat weed? I take it if i know i'm going to have sex sometimes and it seems to cut down my resting period between sessions. Also it is proven to improve semen quality/sperm count. I took it last night and woke up this morning with morning wood. Think im going to try taking it daily

btw id say my sex drive is pretty much normal still[/quote:wfp6r7pm]


I actually agree with you here.

You shouldn't go on and off it. If you go off it and clear your sides i reckon you should never look back. If you want to persist on the drug and see if things stablise then that's up to you also. THe latter option is dangerous in my opinion - you've already shown a sensitivtiy to the drug i cant see it doing you any long term good.

Do you think your semen colour, penis size etc etc varying is natural? Its madness, buddy.

Lastly, i have some horny goat weed. Ddin't do me any good whatsoever although i didn't try it for a sustained period of time. Give it a go. Don't see how it improved semen etc though, i thought it was a weak PD inhibitor somewhat like Cialis.

My point, is why are you happy to need supplements to get libidio/erections, something that is the most natural thing in the world? Why are you content to mess with your sexual function need supplements that its more typical for 60 year old men to require? You hardly think long term finasteride things will get better? In my experience they slowly got worse and then when i did go off it, it messed me up even more.

Take your sides seriously, at very least taper off for a bit.

 

[Prop]

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My point, is why are you happy to need supplements to get libidio/erections, something that is the most natural thing in the world?
In my experience they slowly got worse and then when i did go off it, it messed me up even more.

i think that until you get a serious side problem nobody thinks too much about the possible consequences

we also can understand him.

it's a choice

 

[Ende]

My concern with stopping finasteride is... after reading message boards and hearing peoples experiences...it seems like a lot of people who get really messed up on finasteride are people who stop and start...they start..they stop and recover pretty quickly..they start again..they stop and recover but more slowly..they start again..they stop and they're all f***ed up. Also i've been on it for such a short time I figured it was worth sticking it out for 2 months to see if 1. these things are just in my head (aside from the watery semen which obviously isnt) and 2. to see if my body adjusts. I dont want to send my body on a rollercoaster where im on and off finasteride...it made more sense to me to stay on it for a couple months and see how things leveled out while i do the zinc thing

It's your choice. It should be possible to recover while on finasteride treatment, and in the past I've recommended doing so, but I'm not doing that anymore, since it'll be easier to recover if you quit the drug. We're not talking about rollercoaster madness here. With zinc, only testosterone and DHT should fluctuate significantly. The burst of DHT which you get when quitting finasteride, will help you supress the estrogen level. However, I will agree with your decision about staying on finasteride while treating with zinc, if you feel that the side effects are managable. Don't set any timeline though. Adjust according to how you feel.

Consider lowering the finasteride dose. 0.5 mg a day is theoretically, approximately 75% as effective as 1 mg a day, 0.25 mg a day - 50% as effective as 1 mg a day - regarding 5AR type 2 enzyme supression.

I've never tried HGW.

 

[Ende]

I want to add that DHT and its derivatives are known to increase muscle strenght, which may explain less girth after using finasteride.

 

[Chris87]

So I've decided to cut down to .25mg a day for a couple weeks and if i dont see improvement I'll get off the finasteride completely. My intention is to just get off finasteride, but i dont want to just stop it cold so I figured i'd cut down to .25 and after 2 weeks if i dont see a NOTICEABLE improvement in sides i'll drop it.

I feel like my penis tissue isnt as elastic as it was...like i can still get a hard on but i feel like it never reaches the potential it used to...like the tissue is rigid or something.

Its just f*****g depressing because I really had high hopes for finasteride...i figured im 23 years old, im in great shape....ive never been prone to side effects from anything before...and of course i get sides with this..and its the only thing that'll really save my hair :sobbing:

I see you guys talking about proviron..what is it and would you recommend I consider using it? I did some brief reading up and it seems to be some sort of anti-estrogen steroid. Is it available only by prescription or do you buy it online?

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

I want to add that DHT and its derivatives are known to increase muscle strenght, which may explain less girth after using finasteride.

I was under the impression that DHT had little to do with skeletal muscle.

I have been lifting weights while on finasteride and have far more muscle than I have had before, and I am far stronger too.

 

[Ende]

I want to add that DHT and its derivatives are known to increase muscle strenght, which may explain less girth after using finasteride.

I was under the impression that DHT had little to do with skeletal muscle.

I have been lifting weights while on finasteride and have far more muscle than I have had before, and I am far stronger too.

Muscles are built and maintained by testosterone as far as I know. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but DHT and its derivatives does increase muscle strength. Research Anavar and Masteron. I've experience with Anavar myself.

 

[Ende]

So I've decided to cut down to .25mg a day for a couple weeks and if i dont see improvement I'll get off the finasteride completely. My intention is to just get off finasteride, but i dont want to just stop it cold so I figured i'd cut down to .25 and after 2 weeks if i dont see a NOTICEABLE improvement in sides i'll drop it.

Bad idea. You need all the DHT you can get. By tapering down the finasteride dose, you keep supressing the DHT level, while the estrogen level keeps raising. Stop immediately if you want to quit, and support the recovery process with zinc.

 

[Chris87]

So I've decided to cut down to .25mg a day for a couple weeks and if i dont see improvement I'll get off the finasteride completely. My intention is to just get off finasteride, but i dont want to just stop it cold so I figured i'd cut down to .25 and after 2 weeks if i dont see a NOTICEABLE improvement in sides i'll drop it.

Bad idea. You need all the DHT you can get. By tapering down the finasteride dose, you keep supressing the DHT level, while the estrogen level keeps raising. Stop immediately if you want to quit, and support the recovery process with zinc.

Enden,

The only thing I'm worried about with quitting cold turkey is throwing off my system and crashing. Most of the people I hear about crashing on here are people who just quit. People who taper for a week or two seem to do better. Is this thinking wrong? I dont mean to doubt you, you know far more about this stuff than I do...but ya know...there are two things that men dont like to f*** with...their hair..and their dick...in this case both are involved so i just wanna make sure i do the right thing haha

thanks

 

[Ende]

You're DHT deficient, and your testosterone/estrogen ratio is altered (low/high) when you get severe side effects from finasteride. When you quit, your testosterone level decreases further, because some of it gets converted to DHT. I believe that you'll develop secondary hypogonadism, if this burst of DHT isn't enough to counter the excessive estrogen. That's why you should quit immediately, and use zinc until you're recovered.

 

[Ende]

No, no hCG. Low LH and FSH are expected. They're low because of the body's negative feedback mechanism. Let the estrogen level raise, and find some way to maintain the testosterone/estrogen ratio sweetspot. I'm doing some research at the moment, and I'm going to experiment more with Andractim. The optimum range for the testosterone/estrogen ratio is VERY narrow, and I believe that Andractim is excellent for this kind of maintenance too.

I believe that the DHT/estrogen ratio is the real problem. It maintains balance, more important the testosterone/estrogen ratio. You have to keep supressing the estrogen level without supressing it too much, until your endogenous DHT level reaches the point where it's able to maintain by itself.

 

[Ende]

Use the other thread.