Petchsky, CCS or anyone else, I wanted your opinion on this.

[neis]

I am using propecia and nizoral for 11 months now and xandrox for 3,5 weeks now . I am thinking to add saw palmetto to my regimen. I wanted to ask you the following questions:

1) Taking saw palmetto while taking propecia or using xandrox as well, will Saw Palmetto reduce their effectiveness? (I am planning to take propecia in the morning and saw palmetto at night)
2) The product that I found in pharmacies for saw palmetto is SOLGAR. In the instructions it says that you can take 1 to 3 vegicaps daily. Taking one vegicap every day, will it be effective? or I have to take 3 vegicaps every day?


Here is the website with information about this product:

http://www.health4youonline.com/health_ ... -e4143.htm




Tnx,
Chris

 

[CCS]

Orally saw palmetto is an androgen receptor blocker because of the beta sis. It is like taking oral spironolactone, but with different side effects. Orally should help your hair a bit, but also may give you gyno and reduce your muscle building ability. It might have some beneficial effects topically, but stinks, and the beta sis might actually be hard on hair, judging from some experiments Micheal Barry did. I would avoid SP.

 

[neis]

Thanks CCS,

I decided not to make the move to saw palmetto, after the homework that I made on it. I found out that the people who had used saw palmetto and had success hadn't used propecia yet. So if you are already on propecia, saw palmetto is waste of money, it can only give you the half results that propecia can give you.
I also contacted Dr Lee and he agreed with me, telling me that saw palmetto acts differently blocking DHT so it is not as effective as finasteride. He told that is only beneficial for prostate enlargement. As you say it may harm your hair,.......who knows?/.....

 

[CCS]

It is sad that the old american crew has SP in it, and tricomin has menthol in it. If only these people knew at the time what topicals would be best. I think lavender and apple procyanindins and minoxidil and spironolactone are our only good topicals, though I'd take finasteride topically too. None of them a proven to be as good as propecia, but they would be are best experimentals to for additions to a propecia regimen.

 

[zb00st]

I am 6th months on finasteride and since 1 month I am taking 2 caps of SP daily. I can't tell of any difference, I'm in a major shed right now also. But will drop SP off my regime, doesn't seem to do something.

 

[neis]

Yeah I agree with you man, that was what I was thinking to add to my regimen, but after my homework on it I decided not to make the move.


Thanks CCS, I agree with you:

I found out that apple procyanindins was reasearched from Japanese, and it was found to have a big effect as growth stimulant. Bigger than minoxidil as they found, after a big reasearch on thousands extracts.

Here is the link and their research:
http://www.applepoly.com/procyanidin-b-2/


Is there any supplement that contains apple procyanindins? can you have this effect of apple procyanindins, with eating apples? If YES, I will try to add apples to my diet......

 

[kento]

The new Hair Signals got sp and lavender in it but really i don't trust that these two can be good replacement for finasteride.

CCS: spironolactone??? Why i've seen lot of people who said good words about ru than spironolactone, not saying that topical spironolactone don't works there was one Italian study about the benefit of it.

neis: Eating apple is good for your health "One apple at day keep your doctor away", that site sell apple procyanindins so normally they put some good points for their product. There was a one japanese study showing better regrow properties on mouse than minoxidil, but still i can't found one person who said got amazing regrow from these apple procyanindins and you can find tons of minoxidil users.

 

[neis]

Thanks kento,

Looking previously in some other posts Bryan believes that RU is more powerful anti-androgen than spironolactone, but as he says these two are the best anti-androgens that there are. In hairlosshelp there are guys who used RU successfully and talk highly of it.
The fact that I am interested only for regrowth and not for maintanance as I am already taking propecia, I am trying to find the best growth stimulants that there are. I saw some old posts of michael barry who said that eating 3 baby green apples every day will have an effort on regrowth. That's why i bet much on apple procyanindins. I know that nobody here talked if he used them orally or topically and had success or not.
CCS do you know if anybody had success with these apple procyanindins? I am interested to see if anyone used them, and what results he had. So anyone who used them is welcome to share his experience............

 

[kento]

neis: dht blockers can give you regrow, finasteride also it's for stop/maintain the process but many users also report regrow benefit there are tons of examples with photos in the "Succes Stories" section, the same is with the ru there are lot of users who report benefit for using in the first months but one thing is unclear to me about ru is that many of the users report drop of the results in a year. If you are good responder of the big 3 you will get regrow don't forget that even maintain is success in this battle, i've got surprised from the keto study showing impressive regrow in 10 months of use. Good health and healty scalp can have benefits in making the big 3 to give more effect but without the big 3 don't expect wonders. If you want to have regrow take rogaine that is the player in big 3 for regrow, you can see lot of success stories for impressive responders in period of 3 months.

 

[neis]

Thanks mate,

keto, i added prox-n to my regimen to help me with regrowth. i was thinking to add one of tricomin or prox-n to my regimen. i saw that you are using tricomin. do you think that tricomin is better as copper peptide or for regrowth than prox-n?

 

[kento]

Thanks mate,

keto, i added prox-n to my regimen to help me with regrowth. i was thinking to add one of tricomin or prox-n to my regimen. i saw that you are using tricomin. do you think that tricomin is better as copper peptide or for regrowth than prox-n?

I also use prox-n on the frontal region, but it's too early to tell because i use them for short time. After i finished my bottle of prox-n plan to get proxiphen and to use on the hair line only. The reason that i've plan to get on hardcore topical regime is that i got sides from finasteride Actually i haven't seen so much people telling regrowth benefits from those products, it's strange the Bryan well respected poster here is big fan of prox-n, i'm not well informed just know the basic things but i haven't seen so many people telling good words but if you have enough money give it a try. About Tricomin their fda study showed regrowth simular to minoxidil 2% but the stuff they sell it it's kinda weaker in the tests they done, but you can find lot of happy users that say that copper peptides promote healthy scalp which is important in this battle. The peptide in the tricomin is scientific proven and the company owns the patent so they have the right to sell it. There was a post from Bryan giving example comparing the using copper peptides or minoxidil in long term use. The minoxidil user will get regrow in the first year-two which the peptide will don't but in more the five years of continue use, the user of peptide will have more hair than the minoxidil user.

 

[CCS]

Is there any supplement that contains apple procyanindins?

You can buy applepolyphenols at www.bulknutrition.com, www.beyondacenturyonline.com, and many vitamin places online. I don't remember all their names. The procyanidins are in there, but are not purified. Should help, but maybe not as much as the purified form.

can you have this effect of apple procyanindins, with eating apples? If YES, I will try to add apples to my diet......

No, you need a lot of pre-mature apple skins to do it.

 

[neis]

thanks CCS


kento,
i agree with you that there aren't any users of prox-n who experienced regrowth from prox-n, or they had and they hadn't posted it. but if you see bryan's pics and his success with prox-n, you will be amazed from the regrowth that he got from it. let's assume that we will have the same success. finally i believe that the benefits of copper-peptides that you can get from prox-n outweigh those you can get from tricomin. tricomin is only for a healthy scalp that can help the results of the other treatments. prox-n is a combination of lots of ingredients that can help with regrowth, i hope i am sure.....

 

[KANGA]

Orally saw palmetto is an androgen receptor blocker because of the beta sis. It is like taking oral spironolactone, but with different side effects. Orally should help your hair a bit, but also may give you gyno and reduce your muscle building ability. It might have some beneficial effects topically, but stinks, and the beta sis might actually be hard on hair, judging from some experiments Micheal Barry did. I would avoid SP.

Saw Palmetto might reduce muscle building ability? Can you confirm?