Please have a look at this and tell me what i shoud do?!!

[irishpride86]

Update us !!!

 

[skyhigh1999]

Just some suggestions but worth an exploration; try Tricomin, it has been shown to be a growth stimulant as well as an androgen synthesis blocker. Also, try adding ketoconazole(nizoral) 2-3x a week. It is also an androgen synthesis inhibitor as well as weak AR receptor blocker. Nizoral decreases scalp inflammation as well. For whatever reasons, it seems your body is mounting an accelerated immune response against your own hair. Many physicians I think tend to stick with the "don't think giraffe if in Texas, think cow" philosophy to medicine; unfortunately for the few whose genetics differ significantly when it comes to hair loss issues, this approach isn't always right.

 

[Declan123]

Well i am back again, here is my update....

For those of you who havnt read my original post here is the summary.

Here is my story: I am now 28 years of age last year at the start of March i stated taking 1/4 of a proscar daily, i went to my GP and i had a full head of very thick dark brown hair, however i had VERY mild thinning of the crown.

I explained to my GP that i would like some finasteride, not to grow any more hair, but more of an insurance policy to prevent any loss and keep my thick hair, let me emphaise that my hair was very thick as you can see from the pics below.

Anyhow, intitally i had no problem's at all, sexually and physically i was fine, i didnt experience any problems what so ever, untill the 3 month mark hit and then i had sudden problems hit me all at once.

I lost i predict over 70% of the hair on my head, including the sides and back in a diffuse pattern, this was not typical male pattern baldness loss, as the hair i had lost in the past has been extreemly slow and small amount from the crown only.

Anyhow, this happened very rapidly, within the space of 6 weeks, i thought it was a normal shed as i had read that this thappen, however then strange things started happening to my body.

I experienced body hair growing where i have never preiviously had body hair, chest hairs which i have never had before, all the hair on my arms and legs that was already present grew twice the size over an inch long on my legs and my arm hairs have grown, my eyebrows have gotten thicker as you can see from the pics, and on top of that my general physical appearance of my face has changed dramatically.

I have water retention all throughout my face, head and neck, i can literally pinch the top of my head as it is not tight any more, nor is any area on my face and neck, i have not changed body weight nor have i changed my diet, so this has to be attributed to finasteride.

I now have a much more feminine rounded face, and quite frankly when i look in the mirror i know longer see the same person anymore, it is actually scary to look at the pictures post finasteride, compared to what i now look like.

I have read similar accounts of people who have expereicnced whats known as Reflex - Hyperandrogenicity, including increased body hair, rapid hair loss.

I really cant believe its happened or whatever it is that has happened has happened to me, every day is a struggle to come to terms with the changes to my physical appearance.

Whilst this was happening through late June till i ceased the drug in mid October i visited countless GPs and Dermatologists about what was happening, none of the could explan it, and to be honest it was very hard for them to understand that finasteride could have affects such as what i was experiencing.

They dismissed the hair loss as Telogen Effluvium, and said it would grow back, i am yet to see one single hair grow back since stopping finasteride and continue to loose 100-200 hairs a day it seems that i constantly shed, once again none of this happened until 3 months after finsateride.

In October i went to an endocrinologist i had blood tests for everything, i will post my results however just to give you a summary he said that everything was in normal range and that was that.

I was really upset, i was hanging on to the hope that this may have happened because of an over active thyroid gland or something else that could be corrected, he said that becuase there was no pre finasteride blood work done there was no baseline to compare to.

I also started RU for a week however it caused even more shedding straight away, this is rare with RU.

Since then things have gotten worse, i continue to grow body hair where i havnt before, my face continues to be puffy, water retention and i am looking physically worse from what this drug has done to me.

The hair situation i dont understand either, it has gotten so bad compared to what it was, i am constantly shedding hair, and i cant do anything about it.

This is obviously a hormonal problem, i am going to another endocrinologist in March it will 6 months since i stopped taking finasteride by then, he specialises in Androgens and male hormones, however it is very hard to get any Dr's to take me seriously with what has happened to me as they have not seen symptoms like mine from this horrible drug.

Its only when i show them before and after photos that they have accepted that there is a distinct difference in my physical appearance, hair loss and change of face.

I am really depressed about this whole situation, to the point where i am now seeing a psychiatrist about how i feel about what this drug has done to me, i used to be the most out going person in my large circle of friends, my confidence is shattered, everyday is a struggle to get out of bed and when i now look at myself i wonder who it is staring back at me as i never used to look like this 8 months ago.

This drug has changed the way i look physically and has now caused some severe psycological damage as a result. I would love to go to this endocrinologist with some form of hope, but i feel as though i am wasting my time as the only thing he can compare the future blood tests i will no doubt get is ones that were taken in October post finasteride and will not know what has caused this.

I am obviously very sensitive to anti androgen drugs, something hormonal has taken place here and I am so worried that this is irreversible, as you can see from my pictures you can tell the difference in what has taken place, when i see people i haven’t seen for 6 - 8 months they ask me if im OK, what has happened to me, and wonder why i look completely different, my own mother is so upset about this and has been supporting me and looking for Drs to atleast help take this situation seriously and try and re correct what has taken place, however i think this is now going to to be nothing more than a guessing game as to what has happened and the thought of that is extremely disappointing, i was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what has gone on here, and if my face and hair will return to normal, why did i grow more body hair, why do these symptoms persist 6 months after being on this drug?

I have since been on Xandrox 15 and Xandrox 5% minoxidil for the last 2 and half months and have now shed even more hair, this is honestly a nightmare i am living right now!!

Thanks for reading my post.

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[Finnjävel]

That's just terrible, and I thought I was screwed.

 

[Declan123]

That's just terrible, and I thought I was screwed.

I know mate, i cant believe it, so for all you doubters out there that say that finasteride doesnt cause perminant hairloss, think again.

What i am more concerned about now is why the #$%& did my face change so much, what caused this let alone loosing hair perminantly all over my head.

Worst thing is you go in to a Dr's and tell them what happened and they get on their computer and look up finasteride side affects and say "No couldnt have been the finasteride, not listed as a side affect"

I get furious with them and litterally feel like jumping the desk and grabbing them by the troat and say "well guess what Dr %$#&, it happened and i am living proof!"

Mabye it can be attributed to either excess estrogen which has changed my face, and the slight increrase in testosterone has caused increased body hair and my hair to fall out all over, anyone else got and ideas because these Dr's sure as hell don't.

Rant over..

 

[Declan123]

That's just terrible, and I thought I was screwed.

I know mate, i cant believe it, so for all you doubters out there that say that finasteride doesnt cause perminant hairloss, think again.

What i am more concerned about now is why the #$%& did my face change so much, what caused this let alone loosing hair perminantly all over my head.

Worst thing is you go in to a Dr's and tell them what happened and they get on their computer and look up finasteride side affects and say "No couldnt have been the finasteride, not listed as a side affect"

I get furious with them and litterally feel like jumping the desk and grabbing them by the troat and say "well guess what Dr %$#&, it happened and i am living proof!"

Mabye it can be attributed to either excess estrogen which has changed my face, and the slight increrase in testosterone has caused increased body hair and my hair to fall out all over, anyone else got and ideas because these Dr's sure as hell don't.

Rant over..

I noticed that my face always looked fat while on Finasteride. But I always figured that it was because I had gained some weight over the years from drinking beer all the time.So I went on a strict diet and exercise routine and I lost 36LBs even after that my face was still just as fat, and I was 6'4'' 202 LB's but my face looked really fat!

I would also wake up a lot of mornings with a tight swollen feeling face, especially around my cheeks. After I quit the Finasteride my face seemed to get back to normal within a month or so. The only reason that I can think of for this, is that DHT may be a Estrogen antagonist, and that the decrease in Free ranging T from lack of T to DHT converion, is converted into excess Estrogen instead of DHT. Increased Estrogen levels can cause water retention in males, this is why body builders who take steroids often take an Estrogen inhibitor such as Arimidex, you may want to give this a try if your estrogen levels are to high. I'm not sure why you did not return to normal after you discontinued treatment though...

Yeah the frustrating thing is when i get my blood levels done they always seem to come within normal range, i am going in again in March and assuming they are the same, do you think i should just get some Arimidex anyway and see what happens, its obvious that my hormones have not returned to normal, the hair is one thing but the face man, it frightens the sh*t out of me how different i now look, its like my whole face is elastic i can pull any part of it and scalp and pinch it between my fingers, can we assume that the hair is gone for good here fellas or do i just hope that magicially my hormones reset and i grow all my hair back?!!

 

[Rabid]

You're on Xandrox 15 for past couple months, correct? :shock:

 

[Declan123]

If your Estrogen levels are in range than the water retention may actually be from the Minoxidil. Are you sure that you experienced the water retention before Minoxidil use? water retention is a common side effect from oral minoxidil, and it also occurs in some people who take topical minoxidil. For me the water retention from Topical minoxidil was far worse than it was from Finasteride. You may just be one of the unlucky bastards like me who can't take Finasteride or minoxidil...

Thanks for your reply, the photos were taken before getting on Xanxrox 15 and minoxidil, only been on them for 2 1/2 months, the water retention was while i was on Finasteride and has not subsided since i got off it, this is Telogen Effluvium type hair loss, however i eliminated what i thought was the casue and its been 5 months since i got off finasteride, and i have not regrown a single hair.

Im confused, so if i get these drugs whats the worst that can happen?

I mean as far as i am concernred it doesnt get any worse than this in terms of case of perminant hair loss and changes to my face, i would honestly go to Jail for a year if it meant i would look like i did pre finasteride.

Money is not an object at what i am prepared to do, to get remotely back to what i used to look like, the irony of it all, i get a drug because i am vien and want to save my thick hair and end up like this.

I am willing to try anything to fix this, but il just be guessing, but who cares can it get anyworse?

Im shedding agian at the moment, whole scalp feels like its burning, as it did when i first shed.

Its just with most people they have a reasonable amount of time to get used to the way they look with traditional male pattern baldness taking its course, with me BANG lost it in 6 weeks and has just got worst, and then my face changes, hard to just pick myself up from this and move in to be honest im struggling.

 

[Rabid]

Listen man, your story from what i've skimmed of it is kinda similar to mine, not to mention your frustration, so i'll try once more to get through to you and help you out based on what I've learned through the ordeal. You continue to focus way too much on the finasteride. You've written pages and pages about your suffering from finasteride, yet devoted about one sentence to your use of xandrox 15, which it appears you knew very little about and still do not. It should be worked up to and used only by those who have tolerated 5% minoxidil for for an extended time and had their first minoxidil shed. Your system was already shocked from the finasteride Telogen Effluvium, and then you turned around and whacked it with xandrox before it could get back to normal. This stuff has been known to wreck even well controlled hair loss.

the photos were taken before getting on Xanxrox 15 and minoxidil, only been on them for 2 1/2 months, the water retention was while i was on Finasteride and has not subsided since i got off it,

...because you started using something that causes just as much and probably more water retention than finasteride before the original water retention had time to subside. As you already know, your estrogen was fine, so this is almost guaranteed to be minoxidil bloating.

this is Telogen Effluvium type hair loss,

The couple of experts who even support the concept of finasteride "shed" would probably agree, and in fact speculate that any finasteride "shed" is actually a type of Telogen Effluvium. From glancing at your photos, it seems to me there are many pictures of finasteride sheds floating around here that resemble yours quite closely in appearance and in time-frame. The great majority of them are happier 6-12 months later to have stuck it out and stayed with the treatment. Many people stop though, so you are definitely not the first to stop because of a horrendous shed.

however i eliminated what i thought was the casue and its been 5 months since i got off finasteride, and i have not regrown a single hair.

So you eliminated the cause, but it's gunna take more than a couple months to grow back the hair that was shed. Again, after two months you started xandrox. The good news is you could switch to a lower minoxidil concentration and you might not bloat as much, although many of us do on even the tiniest amounts. And there are other options for the bloating that have been mentioned already. Since you said you were hardly even balding before all this started, the majority of the hair that was shed should grow back over the next 6-24 months, although any male pattern baldness you do have will continue to progress over that time, especially in the absence of treatments.

 

[Declan123]

From my previous post you can see that Arimidex is a serious prescription medication. It will ony help you if your Estrogen levels are causing the water retention. But if your Estrogen levels are not out of range it may not be the cause. At any rate I cannot recommend that you take the medication outside of your doctors recommendation.

At any rate I would suggest that you try a Diuretic first to see if it resolves your symptoms, of course the safest way to do this would be to request one from your doctor, and see if it helps. Once again I do not recommend you use one outside of your doctors supervision. You could research natural Diuretics first and give those a try. Ultimately what you choose is your decision, but be careful, all prescription drugs carry risks..

If I were you a Diuretic would be my first approach sense your Estrogen levels are in range.

As far as your hair is concerned take a look at my guide to medications in my signature, you can read about ASC-J9 there, and it is available from various labs but it's very exspensive!



One more thing to consider. Excess alcohol cosumption or drug use can cause the appearance of a puffy,bloated or fat face...


Also if you were to take arimidex do not exceed the .25mg per week dose, and do not drink on it, 85% of it is metabolized by the liver, and it said that patients should be assessed for heptic (liver) impairment, and or renal (kidney) impairment, before use. You should probably stay away from it without your doctors supervision...

I realise i would be taking a punt on this assumption, however as i didnt have baseline testing done pre finasteride and my Estrogen levels are say for example in range, what else could be the cause of the water retention in my face/head/ears everywhere, my diet has always been the same.

I know that stress can cause cortisol levels to rise and that can sometimes be a cause, however this water retention co-insided with my rapid difuse loss.

If in 3 weeks time i go and get blood work done and my estrogen levels come within normal range then i think i will ask for a diuretic and see if this helps.

The confusing thing is that these are the following sypmtoms and what i can only imagine casued them, would be happy for people to suggest otherwise as this is just me making assumptions:

RAPID HAIR LOSS DIFFUSE: Rise in T, or Estrogen Levels?
INCREASED BODY HAIR: - Rise in T?
INCREASED LENGTH OF BODY HAIR (Everywhere): Rise in T?
DIFFUSE BEARD GROWTH: ??
WATER RETENTION IN FACE/NOSE/CHEEKS/EARS/SCALP/ (Everywhere) Estrogen?
FATTY DEPOSITS IN AREAS NOT USUAL TO ME IE ( Midrift ) Estrogen?

I have looked at ASC-J9," a synthesized from a natural product and promotes
the degradation of endogenous androgen receptors"

Since finasteride has casued this and theni tried RU 58841 after finasteride and it made me shed even more, what does this drug do differently?

I have been reading about it but since i seem to respond to finasteride the way i did what would this drug effectively do for me if it worked, downgrade my receptors sensitivity, and promote new growth? I know you dont know the definitive answer here, but just an understanding of how it would benifit me.

The hair i do have is hard to explain, it covers my head but it is so diffuse all over, i still have the same shape of the hair i had if u know what i mean?

Its like all my folicles are just dead / dying, something has to give here, there must be something i can correct, do my hormones have to go back to their exact prestine state for anything positive to happen?

I do drink excessively on weekends due to being depressed about this and i also take Xanax sometimes at night, obviously this doesnt help, but its how i am dealing with this situation.

If i dont see any improvement soon, i really dont know where or who to turn to.

I realise that i was flaunting with dnager when i took finasteride, sexual side affects was the only thing i thought i was taking the chances on.

This situation is too complicated, its all guessing game.

Undiagnoseable.

 

[Declan123]

Listen man, your story from what i've skimmed of it is kinda similar to mine, not to mention your frustration, so i'll try once more to get through to you and help you out based on what I've learned through the ordeal. You continue to focus way too much on the finasteride. You've written pages and pages about your suffering from finasteride, yet devoted about one sentence to your use of xandrox 15, which it appears you knew very little about and still do not. It should be worked up to and used only by those who have tolerated 5% minoxidil for for an extended time and had their first minoxidil shed. Your system was already shocked from the finasteride Telogen Effluvium, and then you turned around and whacked it with xandrox before it could get back to normal. This stuff has been known to wreck even well controlled hair loss.

the photos were taken before getting on Xanxrox 15 and minoxidil, only been on them for 2 1/2 months, the water retention was while i was on Finasteride and has not subsided since i got off it,

...because you started using something that causes just as much and probably more water retention than finasteride before the original water retention had time to subside. As you already know, your estrogen was fine, so this is almost guaranteed to be minoxidil bloating.

this is Telogen Effluvium type hair loss,

The couple of experts who even support the concept of finasteride "shed" would probably agree, and in fact speculate that any finasteride "shed" is actually a type of Telogen Effluvium. From glancing at your photos, it seems to me there are many pictures of finasteride sheds floating around here that resemble yours quite closely in appearance and in time-frame. The great majority of them are happier 6-12 months later to have stuck it out and stayed with the treatment. Many people stop though, so you are definitely not the first to stop because of a horrendous shed.

however i eliminated what i thought was the casue and its been 5 months since i got off finasteride, and i have not regrown a single hair.

So you eliminated the cause, but it's gunna take more than a couple months to grow back the hair that was shed. Again, after two months you started xandrox. The good news is you could switch to a lower minoxidil concentration and you might not bloat as much, although many of us do on even the tiniest amounts. And there are other options for the bloating that have been mentioned already. Since you said you were hardly even balding before all this started, the majority of the hair that was shed should grow back over the next 6-24 months, although any male pattern baldness you do have will continue to progress over that time, especially in the absence of treatments.

Rabid, I completely understand that people shed on finasteride, of course i do.

I am not going to get in to a debate with you regarding why i got off Finasteride, but some serious hormonal imbalance was and DID occur, body hair increased, i shedded an obsene amount of hair, and as you would agree that if you suffered the kind of loss i did then as many people such as Dr Lee, Dr Proctor etc concur that the best thing to do is get off Finasteride, which of course i did.

Explain to me why i looked like this off finasteride:

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Now here are the while on finasteride pics (Note No Xandrox Or MIN)

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[/url][/img] Still not on Xandrox or Min. July 2010

I realise that minoxidil can cause facial bloating, but this was from the finasteride, take my word for it these pics were taken no more than 6 months after starting finasteride.

I realise that Xandroz 15 is powerfull, however at the rate i have lost my hair i thought stuff it if i am going down im not going down without a fight, i was advised to take minoxidil, i realise that Xandrox is more powerfull and i am going through a horrendous shed now from it ( I presume its the Xandrox )

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If its from the Xandrox why am i shedding on the sides and back as in this pic?

If there really is such i thing as reflex Hyper, do you presume i have it, i suspect so, as whats with the body hair, also if I am going through a form of Telogen Effluvium, does that answer why my facial hair is also uneven and diffused.

I dont mean to have a go back at you here mate, and its hard to know your tone of voice in your post, however you must realise that ALL of these sypmptoms were from Finasteride, i appreciate both your and finasteride fighters in put here, i too am trying to make sense of this whole thing, but pictures tell a story here, and the stark contrast in just 8 months Pre and Post finasteride are pretty hard to take.

To be completely honest i am not predicting any of the hair i lost on finasteride to grow back, that is just my feeling, because i feel as though since my whole body hair has changed and the facial features changed unless my body magically resets, we may well be able to just put this one down to a very unlucky case of someone who should not have taken finasteride.

I dont mean to worry people about finasteride, and i realise that this is a very rare thing thats happened, i have 5 mates on Finasteride and none of them have had any issues what so ever.

I can only explain the facts. We all know our bodies, i have lived in mine for 28 years and notice something as small as new freckle let alone whats gone on here, this drug has honestly f&%cked up my life.

Im not on here for sympathy or support, i am on here so people who are experienced have a guess as where to go next, and i appreciate finasteride Fighter, Rabid's and also Irish's advice over the last 6 months, however so far nothing has improved.

 

[Declan123]

RAPID HAIR LOSS DIFFUSE: Rise in T, or Estrogen Levels?

Maybe probably from reflex hyperandrogenicity.

INCREASED BODY HAIR: - Rise in T?

Correct, and this would most likely produce more DHT.

INCREASED LENGTH OF BODY HAIR (Everywhere): Rise in T?

Same as previous answer, T-DHT.

DIFFUSE BEARD GROWTH: ??

RHA

WATER RETENTION IN FACE/NOSE/CHEEKS/EARS/SCALP/ (Everywhere) Estrogen?

Either that or Renal problems...

FATTY DEPOSITS IN AREAS NOT USUAL TO ME IE ( Midrift ) Estrogen?

Female fat deposits, definately Estrogen

I have looked at ASC-J9," a synthesized from a natural product and promotes
the degradation of endogenous androgen receptors"

Since finasteride has casued this and theni tried RU 58841 after finasteride and it made me shed even more, what does this drug do differently?

It has a completely different Method of action than oral androgen inhibitors such as Finasteride that lower blood serum levels of DHT. It also has a completely different method of action than topical adrogen blockers such as RU58841 which compete with the androgen receptors against androgens and attach to them instead of the androgens

This totally different method of action, downregulates activety within the receptor itself....

I do drink excessively on weekends due to being depressed about this and i also tale Xanax sometimes at night, obviously this doesnt help, but its how i am dealing with this situation.

Mixing alcohol with xanax feels great, trust me I know (I used to :fun: ) but it is very hard on the liver and kidneys, and can cause renal problems to say the least. If you must do them try not to mix them, and it would be best to at least drop the xanax.

It has a completely different Method of action than oral androgen inhibitors such as Finasteride that lower blood serum levels of DHT. It also has a completely different method of action than topical adrogen blockers such as RU58841 which compete with the androgen receptors against androgens and attach to them instead of the androgens

This totally different method of action, downregulates activety within the receptor itself....

As this seems to be reflex hyper, can i assume that the type of hair loss i have is from the rise in T then this loss is perminant then, would this drug you mentioned above be the way to go, and does anyone honestly think this is at all reversible?

 

[irishpride86]

Pm me dude, I can help you....

 

[Rabid]

If its from the Xandrox why am i shedding on the sides and back as in this pic?

If there really is such i thing as reflex Hyper, do you presume i have it, i suspect so, as whats with the body hair, also if I am going through a form of Telogen Effluvium, does that answer why my facial hair is also uneven and diffused.

Any updates? You gunna go with ASJ-19?

Keep in mind "topical minoxidil/XANDROX" is a misnomer. Even the minoxidil bottle warns of possible thickening and increasing of body hair. My legs look like a gorilla's, facial hair grows in thick and fast, and I also had shedding on sides and back of head as well with minoxidil shed and I was only applying to front of head. Another thing, some versions of XANDROX actually contain topical finasteride.

Since you said you're willing to do anything, and you already saw a top doctor, why not try to find one who is an expert on reflex HA for an appointment? I don't know of any, or even if there are any. There just doesn't seem to be that much info on RHA out there as far as I'm aware. But whatever goes down, definitely keep us updated.

 

[Declan123]

If its from the Xandrox why am i shedding on the sides and back as in this pic?

If there really is such i thing as reflex Hyper, do you presume i have it, i suspect so, as whats with the body hair, also if I am going through a form of Telogen Effluvium, does that answer why my facial hair is also uneven and diffused.

Any updates? You gunna go with ASJ-19?

Keep in mind "topical minoxidil/XANDROX" is a misnomer. Even the minoxidil bottle warns of possible thickening and increasing of body hair. My legs look like a gorilla's, facial hair grows in thick and fast, and I also had shedding on sides and back of head as well with minoxidil shed and I was only applying to front of head. Another thing, some versions of XANDROX actually contain topical finasteride.

Since you said you're willing to do anything, and you already saw a top doctor, why not try to find one who is an expert on reflex HA for an appointment? I don't know of any, or even if there are any. There just doesn't seem to be that much info on RHA out there as far as I'm aware. But whatever goes down, definitely keep us updated.

Been going through a shed lately, seems to get more diffuse every 3 months, dont know if its a minoxidil shed or because of Reflex HA, I've been on the minoxidil Xandrox AM PM combo for nearly 3 months started shedding 3 weeks ago.

I got the increased body hair before minoxidil and Xandrox, so I know thats from the R/H from the finasteride.

I may look at getting some of the ASJ-19, I have $700 US worth of RU in my freezer if anyone wants it, as that just made things worse.

The Xandrox 15 i use is without the finasteride and the minoxidil is without PPG.

I am off to Australia's leading Androgen specailist, an enchrinoligist who specialises in Mens hormone's, the thing is Reflex Hyper is not listed in any medical journals, just hairloss sites and quotes from Dr Lee, Dr Proctor etc, so its hard explaining the whole situation and to be taken seriously by Dr's when they know nothing about it.

Im taking in before and after pics, a time line of what happened, and will ask to get blood work done when i go there in 3 weeks time.

I will have my previous blood work tests to give him, but apparently they are all in normal range of a man between 25-35. (August last year)

I am going to stress the point to him, that I believe my estrogen levels have been affected, and that's why i have fatty deposits around my waste and water retention in my face etc.

Then i will ask him why it was that I lost 60% of my hair diffuse and grew body hair where i never had before, to which he will probably look at my situation and believe that its not possible.

I dont really know what else i can do, I mean there has been no improvement in my body, face, hair since i quit and its been nearly 6 months off finasteride, its getting worse ( Hair loss )

Hopefully he takes this seriously and suggests some sort of medication or alterantive to reduce the water retention and fatty deposits, otherwise I will be trying different drugs etc (Amidex) or something similar and try treat this myself.

The hair i dont hold much hope for, just getting more and more diffuse, so unless something switches back to normal I will be bald within 12 months of starting finasteride, and as you can see my hair was dead thick.

Usually I am optimistic about things, but this situation :thumbdown2:

 

[Rabid]

Any update??

(btw, i'm sure you realized but what I was referring to as ASJ-19 is actually called ASC-J9)

 

[irishpride86]

update ?


Also please explain your currentr treatments.

And where you got yoru RU from.

K outingchem
K outingchina
OC
FE,

i may buy some from you,

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[Declan123]

Havn't been on here in a while, thought I would post and let you all know what has been happening.

Well.... I was right, I have certainly been producing far too much estrogen since taking finasteride, the avergage amount is meant to be around 6 and after visting a natropath who did a proper saliva test it has been confirmed what she first thought after seeing her and explaining the symptoms, that my body is producing 3 time the normal amount for a man.

While she said my free test was in range, there is a massive estrogen dominance happening within my body right now.

This explains the diffuse hair loss, including beard, water retention in face and the other symptoms i have been experiencing.

She said i should have had my DHT levels checked prior to finasteride and that if i had done so that no Dr would have prescribed me finasteride.

I am on a strict diet, that is low carb, no sugar, low salt, which includes raw oats, fruit, green vegies, fish, chicken, beef etc.

I am also on estrogen blocking supplements which include Meta 1-3-C, DIM, AndroTone, and a multivitamin Flavay Plus.

She seems to think that over time the DIM which helps promote healthy estrogen, combined with Meta 1-3-C and AndroTone which is an estrogen suppressor, i will hopefully return to normal over 3-6 months.

She couldnt believe my estrogen levels were so high, and that my body was going through cycles of high and higher amounts of estrogen, which results in face bloating water retention, and the other sypmtoms i have explained in previous posts, although I have diffused hair loss all over including donor area, she still thinks i will restor a full head of hair in 6-12 months once my estrogen levels are back in range.

She told me this all over the phone today and when i visit her next week to pick up some more meds i will post my exact test results, but she said est was at 18 when should be at 6 for men.

I have another problem though, i had been on Xnadrox 15 without PPG to try and regrow the lost hair, i was taking it at night, and normal Xandrox 5% day and since Dr Lee got done for not being FDA approved i have none left so i ordered Moxidil Max 15% www.moxdilmax.com and have just started that, however I am really worried that i will shed massively from changing from the standard Xandrox 15 w/o ppg, what are peoples thoughts on this???!!!

My head has been burning a bit since i started the new stuff, i am likely to shed and If anyone has been using Xandrox 15 what are they now using and can anyone tell me if you think i will be OK with what i have bought, and then for the 5% if i just use standard rogaine when the Xandrox 5% runs out also.

On a side note i have 13 grams of pure RU from failth eagle that has been in my freezer since October sealed PM if you want to buy it, i dont want it.

If you could give me an idea on the Xandrox issue It would be appreciated.

Regards

Declan

 

[BlahBlah12]

Havn't been on here in a while, thought I would post and let you all know what has been happening.

Well.... I was right, I have certainly been producing far too much estrogen since taking finasteride, the avergage amount is meant to be around 6 and after visting a natropath who did a proper saliva test it has been confirmed what she first thought after seeing her and explaining the symptoms, that my body is producing 3 time the normal amount for a man.

While she said my free test was in range, there is a massive estrogen dominance happening within my body right now.

This explains the diffuse hair loss, including beard, water retention in face and the other symptoms i have been experiencing.

She said i should have had my DHT levels checked prior to finasteride and that if i had done so that no Dr would have prescribed me finasteride.

I am on a strict diet, that is low carb, no sugar, low salt, which includes raw oats, fruit, green vegies, fish, chicken, beef etc.

I am also on estrogen blocking supplements which include Meta 1-3-C, DIM, AndroTone, and a multivitamin Flavay Plus.

She seems to think that over time the DIM which helps promote healthy estrogen, combined with Meta 1-3-C and AndroTone which is an estrogen suppressor, i will hopefully return to normal over 3-6 months.

She couldnt believe my estrogen levels were so high, and that my body was going through cycles of high and higher amounts of estrogen, which results in face bloating water retention, and the other sypmtoms i have explained in previous posts, although I have diffused hair loss all over including donor area, she still thinks i will restor a full head of hair in 6-12 months once my estrogen levels are back in range.

She told me this all over the phone today and when i visit her next week to pick up some more meds i will post my exact test results, but she said est was at 18 when should be at 6 for men.

I have another problem though, i had been on Xnadrox 15 without PPG to try and regrow the lost hair, i was taking it at night, and normal Xandrox 5% day and since Dr Lee got done for not being FDA approved i have none left so i ordered Moxidil Max 15% http://www.moxdilmax.com and have just started that, however I am really worried that i will shed massively from changing from the standard Xandrox 15 w/o ppg, what are peoples thoughts on this???!!!

My head has been burning a bit since i started the new stuff, i am likely to shed and If anyone has been using Xandrox 15 what are they now using and can anyone tell me if you think i will be OK with what i have bought, and then for the 5% if i just use standard rogaine when the Xandrox 5% runs out also.

On a side note i have 13 grams of pure RU from failth eagle that has been in my freezer since October sealed PM if you want to buy it, i dont want it.

If you could give me an idea on the Xandrox issue It would be appreciated.

Regards

Declan

hi declan,

i used xandrox also..been using it for years. im trying perfect image. was on the xandrox15 at night and 5 in the morning, but i want to taper down a little so i got the perfect image 5% which ill use in the morning and the 10% which ill use at night.

im worried about a shed from the switch as well, but i guess i dont have a choice. technically, minoxidil is minoxidil right? it would be strange to get a shed from switching minoxidil products.

ill let u know if i have any issues

 

[señorgeko]

Hi I have read your case and maybe I could have the same problem.

Since I'm taking finasteride I am feeling increase of sexual instinct, body hair, best performance in gym and obviously a significant loss hair of my head,...

Please update your case

Sorry for my english I'm foreign

Thanks