Procerin

[Guest]

I have been reading a lot about this new all natural DHT blocker and I am very impressed with what I have read so far. I just want to know if any one has an opinion on it, would like some info from users before I buy it.

 

[HairlossTalk]

It is a scam. No different than the other 9 billion "natural DHT blockers" out there. They just seem to have more money for advertising. Propecia is the only clinically proven DHT blocker and "natural" is nothing more than a marketing word for herbal enthusiasts to make more money. It doesn't mean safer or just as effective. Click the word "herbal" in this paragraph for more info.

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[Guest]

Thank you for responding

Thank you for your comments “may I ask not doubting you at allâ€￾ how you know that. I have been doing a lot of research, and all the sites that I have gone to have good things to say about Procerin. All of the sites are said to be unpaid users of the products “ AskDocweb.comâ€￾
I still have all my hair but I do have some thinking and was looking for a proactive approach.

I was told by my doctor that Saw Palmetto , vitamin B6 and Zink are good DHT blockers and I noticed that they are ingredients in Procerin which is why I thought it may be a good idea, Plus like I said I was very impressed with what I read from other users.

What about proscar.

And is Propecia something I would have to take for Life.

Thanx




Again

 

[HairlossTalk]

Are you the guy who has been emailing us with these exact same comments? If so, please read our email replies. No need to repeat it all here. You're using almost his identical words and identical arguments.

We have stated these things ad nauseum. Just because something is a "good dht blocker" does not mean it will work for hair loss. Saw Palmetto has not been shown to do a thing for hair loss as of yet and many people have tried.

I really don't want to get into this discussion again because it has been beaten to death. Please read the following articles that contain the actual facts surrounding these supplements. Print them out and give 'em to your doctor too.

PS.. you need to stop basing your assessment of products on "what you read by other users". That doesn't mean a thing in the world of hair loss. Clinical data is what we base our assessment of products on because opinions are far too subjective and innacurate.

If procerin worked, youd have to take it for life too. I am going to direct you to the following pages and I hope you will sincerely read them and take them to heart. Please read:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/men/index.htm (and the 5 subpages after it)
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article230.htm
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article235.htm
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article233.htm
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article213.htm

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[Guest]

Thanx

I am 100% new to this and I have never emailed anyone before about this, I am asking for help because I do not know and I am very grateful for your help I will read all the links you have posted and again
thank you.

 

[Guest]

Propecia

is there anything like Propecia with less side effects?

 

[ColtsFan]

try propecia for 3 months and then evaluate if you have any side effects other than hair growth

 

[HairlossTalk]

jkriley - three times now I've given you links to read, and your question immediately after the links shows me you don't bother to read. Please don't be lazy about educating yourself on hair loss.

Your question above is *directly* answered in one of those 5 articles immediately listed above it. Please read them.

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[Guest]

why i ask

Ok so here is my problem, I have been reading on many difference sites and everyone has a different opinion. What I have gained is different products work for different people. I have read reviews from people that say Propecia did nothing for them and I have read ones from people that say Porcerinâ€￾ has worked and not worked. I must say that just because something is not FDA approved or has not had a lot of testing done on it dose not mean it will not work. I have read a lot of the links you sent me but again it is just another person opinion what I am looking for is input form people that have tried the products.
I am not trying to insult or anger anyone I am just trying to make a good call based on what I can find out. The mail reason I am interested in Porcerin is the non side effect factor and I fully understand it is not a true tested product but so far I am impressed with what I have read.
And when you say it is a scam I am just interested in why you say that.

 

[Axon]

Try it yourself and make your own decision.

You seem sold on procerin already, but keep in mind you are comparing the commentary of panicing end-users who desperately want to believe anything is working with that of an FDA regulated, double-blind study.

In any other place you would look like a shmuck. I'm not calling you one, but you should look objectively at what's going on. Keep in mind that working/not working is subjective, as are side-effects to a certain extent.

 

[Guest]

so true

yup

 

[Guest]

I agree with you 100% as for a smule i may be but as long as i am a harry one i can live with that. I am not sold on it i have just noticed that on a lot of sites that cell all the products we are talking about it is getting very high rateings. I am very intrested in Propecia as well but the side effect make me think pluse it is $$ and i am not doing to well in that boat at this time. i am just trying to get as much info as possible and this site has been the most helpful this far, as i said i am not trying to upset anyone just learn as much as i can from others.

 

[Guest]

and

i am going to get Propecia to try based on what i have read here it is the way to go.

 

[Axon]

I have not had any side effects from Finasteride for 19 Months if that helps any.

 

[HairlossTalk]

You're right. FDA approval doesn't mean its the only product that works. But the simple fact is Procerin has absolutely NO clinical data ........ Period. All they have is a bunch of anonymous user "feedback" that they are claiming is legit. You should never base a hair loss products effectiveness on anonymous opinions. That is a very very poor way to make a decision.

You should analyze the ingredients first, for their tested effectiveness on hair loss or its causes, and I can already tell you that its ingredients have no data backing them in any capacity as a hair loss treatment.

And by the way. Part of Procerin's marketing campaign is to create a bunch of fake websites with "product reviews" on them and put Procerin at the top. They're blatantly lying to people by doing this. Totally deceptive. The ads are all over google. Fake sites like consumer-reviews.net ... all a bunch of pseduo websites putting fake testimonials and fake product reviews ... with Procerin as most recommended.

Please don't be tricked by these guys. Read our articles. Follow what they say. They say to analyze the data yourself. They don't even say to listen to us. Listen to the science, and when you realize Procerin has none, aside from the very weak "saw palmetto" argument (yawn), you'll realize the treatment isn't worth the money.

Show me the data procerin.

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[Guest]

hey

after reading all the stuff i have decided to take Proscar. as i said i was just trying to get as much info as possible and i have read everything now and feel i am making the right call thanx.

 

[ColtsFan]

jkriley

Its the real deal... if you have side effects try to stay with it as long as you can, they usually go away, not always but mine did. I had some loss of libido but that went away, then my hair started growing back, added minoxidil and BOOM more growth.

I thought about adding a procerin type product and kicked it around this NG but I decided to just add topical 5% spironolactone to the areas that didnt respond well to proscar/minoxidil....

 

[rico24]

Hairlosstalk,
the reason there is no clinical data on all these DHT blockers is because they are naturally occuring compounds. Perhaps you are unaware, but you cannot hold a patent on a natural compound. Therefore, the drug companies have no interest in doing any type of study, clinical or otherwise because theres no money in it. In the pharmacological world of things, if you cant put a patent on it, its worthless. So there is no incentive to do clinical trials on it. Bottom line, only drugs go through clinical trials, not supplements, so get your facts strait.
Secondly, not doing clinical trials dose not proove anything or disproove anything. Simply because a claim has not been substantiated, does not mean that claim is not true.
And most physicians will agree that DHT is causing the Androgenic alopecia, and that an effective DHT blocker/inhibitor that can act in the scalp will be effective. No one is sure which drug or supplement it will be, but saw palmetto, isoflavones, equol, zinc or B6 may very well be one of them. So Id say take one or all of them and see what happens; As any intelliegent person knows, the real test of a drug/supplement is not in clinical trials, the real test is when it hits the mainstream, thats when the real effectivesness can be determined with certainty.

 

[mvpsoft]

What a crock that last post is. Of course the proof is in clinical trials, not in anecdotes. You have it exactly backwards. Clinical trials test for one thing, to see if it's effective, and they rule out extraneous factors. Anecdotal accounts by definition do not, that's why they are not generally reliable.

Furthermore, the claim that naturally-occuring substances aren't tested is simply false. Saw palmetto taken orally, for example, has been extensively tested. That's how we know that it's a DHT inhibitor in the prostate, because of the extensive testing. Yet despite all of this testing, it has not proven to reduce scalp levels of DHT at all. What we don't know is whether a topical application can be developed that inhibits DHT in the scalp. That's still a possibility, because the failure of saw palmetto taken orally to reduce scalp DHT tells us nothing about whether topical applications work.

A lot of clinical research is funded outside of the drug companies.

But if you want anecdotes, here's one for you. I took Procerin for a year. My hairloss continued exactly as it had before. You want anecdotes -- Procerin doesn't work for me.

 

[rico24]

mvpsoft
maybe you heard of something called postmarket research. This is not antecdotal evidece. Perhaps youve heard of the drugs like phen phen or vioxx. These drugs went through clinical testing and were approved by the FDA. And lets see what they found in the post market research...umm people were dying. May Ill offer a little lesson in stats for you...the larger the data pool, the more accurate the results. Where as clincal trials use a couple hundred to a thousand, the amount of people that will take the drug after trials will be in the millions. This will offer extremely more accurate results than any trial would, and its certainly not ancetdotal. I could care less if procerin worked for you, i dont care what one person says.
Your right about how naturally occuring substances are never tested, yeah, sure, maybe 100 or so out of the 100,000 trials going on are on them. So sorry, its not nothing, just virtually nothing.
And i never said doing clinical trails does not proove anything, of course they do. What i said was, by not doing clinical trials you cant proove or disproove anything.
If procerin didnt work for you, why dont you try some of the linolenic acids, azelaic acid, zinc sulfate and B6, both orally and topically....unless you wanna wait for clinical trials which may be 10 years down the road and probably too late to help you.