Propecia don't believe the hype-

[Hairybush1]

99% of doctors know little more than the crash course in medicine they were given in med school 15 years ago, and haven't cracked open a medical book since. They keep hours that would make a banker ashamed, and they give attitudes that would make Simon from American Idol look like an angel.

Walk into your doctor with paperwork and a chip on your shoulder, politely decree what you are there for, and ask them if they will comply. If not, simpy leave and go somewhere else.

At this point in the game, I simply write up notes and fax them to the doctor with all of the information regarding my current issue, and what I would like from them, whether it be a blood test, or a prescription for a drug. I have found that this is 1,000 times more effective than calling their nurse, waiting 48 hours for a call back in the first place, then having to schedule an appointment for a week from then just because they're "booked" during their bankers hours. Then you get to wait a week to get 5 mins from them, where they pretty much ignore everything you say anyways and you walk out of there with 20% of what you wanted when you came in.

Faxing them actually catches their attention more, allows you to script out your desires in a more intelligent and "to the point" fashion, and you actually get more time with them via that piece of paper than you would in person sometimes.

They will then call you in because by law they must see you in order to prescribe, but its a piece of cake at that point.

You can learn more about any condition than any doctor knows about it by simply spending a half hour on the internet, on a reputable medical site, reading up on it.

You can learn MOUNTAINS more by finding forums for those health conditions and reading people's personal experiences.

HairLossTalk.com

Amen to that brother.

 

[Ams99]

i've been on the stuff for 11 months, no side effects, but also no results, either.

 

[Guest]

Hairybrush

I agree that the SOME of the food we eat is processed sh*t, but I cant believe you think that food is worse than Propecia. It all starts with choices. What do you eat? I dont buy canned food. I dont eat junk food. I stay away from processed food. I eat meat but pay more for better quality stuff. You can buy food from places that you know arent dosed with pesticides. I dont think that there is much that I injest that is loaded with the poisons you mentioned.

Oh yes there is, unless you eat mainly organic/demter, local/non-stored, fresh, natural foods not cooked at high tempretures, not using hydrogenated fats, free of colour/flavours/preservatives/emulsifiers/extenders/binders/waxes/pesticides etc etc, and even if you acheive this impossible task the balance of refined corbohydrates in an average modern diet reeks havoc on your pancratic hormonal response.

Maybe food wrapped in plastic might make me impotent in a thousend years of exposure

the chemical soup used to soften plastics, to make them pliable enough to shape into bottles, celephane, food wraps etc, are know to leech into wet foods like meats/snack foods and liquids, this is not in question, the harm appears to be worse for women in this case but men are still effected (the research is not clear why), the harm is recognisable, It is not dissputed, it can be felt in as little as 5/10 years, impotence is raising at an astonishing rate in the developed world, I would never be as bold as to make a conection with any modern enviromental or dietry polutant but not everyone is taking propecia.

but Propecia is a pill that has a direct, immediate action.

A can of coke has a direct and immediate action with effects on your insulin response causing endocrine imbalance, a drop in beneficial hormones, hyperinsulinemia and hypercortisolism and encourages you body to store blood sugar as fat cells. Insulin being a very powerful growth factor, drives more frequent cell division, leading to faster telomere shortening and speeding up tumor proliferation. Propecia is not unique in the directness of it's actions.

I believe we still dont know what all the consequences of those actions are and I believe that there are slightly more men having various problems with finasteride than what is currently accepted as fact.

where do you get your figures from? I believe people rarley post messages like: "hey I have been on propecia for 6 months and my dick feels great, can you help?" or "does anyone know why my balls don't ache after 2 years on proscar?" people are more likley to post concerns over negative responses.

Im not a Propecia basher, as I take the drug myself but I would never say I feel safer taking it than eating a cheese burger. I dont think one is worse or better than the other.

I am not a 'hey! let's have a propecia party' kinda guy, but compared to the sh*t that is in the food we eat propecia's DHT inhibiting actions doesn't seem to register on my 'the things that are gonna get you top 100'

Ty
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my regime

estrogen burger
cortisol/insulin shake
home made telomere shortner

 

[Guest]

You better keep in contact with me hair. I'm going through the same thing your going through, I know its real.

I am requesting that you remove this picture from your future posts.

Thank you.

 

[Hairybush1]

Hey Ty, you make some very interesting points and I guess I have been very fortunate in my upbringing when it comes to the foods I eat. My old man lost his mind when my mom would buy things like white bread let alone Tv dinners or some other junk. My dad just refused to have anyone bring that stuff in the house. (I hated him for being that way, when all my other buddies were eating McDonalds and stuff)

I have always eaten the best quality food I could purchase and eat really really clean. I suppose after all those years of eating well and cooking food in the most health conscience way possible I forgot just what kinda crap the average Joe shovels into his/her mouth.

Now all those years of years of being called a square health nut really wear well with me. I still dont agree that Propecia is any safer than other items mentioned but thanks for reminding me how lucky Ive been all these years to know better than most about dieting and food.

 

[Guest]

Hey Ty, you make some very interesting points and I guess I have been very fortunate in my upbringing ............ how lucky Ive been all these years to know better than most about dieting and food.

That's good that you have always had a healty diet and your dad should be given a medal! seriously, we need more like him. I wish my dad was more like yours. It's true that the average modern diet is little more than entertainment occasionaly paying lip service to nutrition. I would also consider myself a 'square health nut', but as my friends slowly take on board the various accepted baggage of 'age', weight issues, poor skin health, daily fatigue, poor sleep quality, lack of energy and so on, I don't realy mind the tag.

I still dont agree that Propecia is any safer than other items mentioned

experiment no 1:

take two humans

1. feed one on organic fresh vegetation, high quality proteins, spring water, selected fruits and seeds, pulses and non-refined grains, all perfectly balanced to his/hers bodies needs/hormonal responses and feedback mechanisms. Add in every know benificial nutrient to detoxify, reinforce and build the blood system, enhance cardivascular process and mental function. Add in one mg of Propecia to inhibit DHT.

2. feed the other on Macdonald's burgers, coke, fries cooked in saturated fats, m&ms, ice-cream (sounding good to me I might switch...no...no...must...resist...) cigarettes, coloured and flavoured snacks, hydronated fats, sugar-alcohols and nitrate treated, animal adrenalin impregnated meats. N.S.A.I.Ds, cough medicines, decongestants, antihistamines, copious alcohol and numerous carcinogens. Hold off on the Propecia.

present the two to joe public and ask which one is influencing his health/hormonal balance to his own detriment, make sure they see the little red pill he is popping for hair loss and watch them all point to number 1.


Ty

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my regime

Macdonald's burgers, coke, fries cooked in saturated fats, m&ms, ice-cream (sounding good to me I might switch...no...no...must...resist...) cigarettes, coloured and flavoured snacks, hydronated fats, sugar-alcohols and nitrate treated, animal adrenalin impregnated meats. N.S.A.I.Ds, cough medicines, decongestants, antihistamines, copious alcohol and numerous carcinogens

 

[Hairybush1]

You know, I just remebered that once i got old enough to live on my own and consume what I wanted without fear of my dads wrath, I found that I didnt like 90% of what was available and through a short time gravitated back to the diet that was outlined for me in my youth.

Its been so long that I really must have forgot how crap some of that other stuff really was. Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Cheers and good luck with you hair growth/maintance.

 

[davidferrie]

99% of doctors know little more than the crash course in medicine they were given in med school 15 years ago, and haven't cracked open a medical book since. They keep hours that would make a banker ashamed, and they give attitudes that would make Simon from American Idol look like an angel.

Walk into your doctor with paperwork and a chip on your shoulder, politely decree what you are there for, and ask them if they will comply. If not, simpy leave and go somewhere else.

At this point in the game, I simply write up notes and fax them to the doctor with all of the information regarding my current issue, and what I would like from them, whether it be a blood test, or a prescription for a drug. I have found that this is 1,000 times more effective than calling their nurse, waiting 48 hours for a call back in the first place, then having to schedule an appointment for a week from then just because they're "booked" during their bankers hours. Then you get to wait a week to get 5 mins from them, where they pretty much ignore everything you say anyways and you walk out of there with 20% of what you wanted when you came in.

Faxing them actually catches their attention more, allows you to script out your desires in a more intelligent and "to the point" fashion, and you actually get more time with them via that piece of paper than you would in person sometimes.

They will then call you in because by law they must see you in order to prescribe, but its a piece of cake at that point.

You can learn more about any condition than any doctor knows about it by simply spending a half hour on the internet, on a reputable medical site, reading up on it.

You can learn MOUNTAINS more by finding forums for those health conditions and reading people's personal experiences.

HairLossTalk.com

You're right on this............kind of..........
Most doctors are only very familiar with their specialty but most patients try to pull a "one stop shopping" trip on their doctor and come away disappointed.
There's a difference in asking questions and making demands. Making demands is very disrespectful and earns a big perverbial foot in the *** on the way out the door in my office.
Oh, and one more thing, I've had lots of patients come in with stuff they've found on the internet that was 100% incorrect info that actually could have been dangerous if I hadn't explained certain things to them.

 

[Redbone]

Screw a majority of this eating healthy crap- I know guys who smoke like chimneys, eat fatty trans foods are overweight and live to be well into there seventies. Your genetics plays a key role in your life span.

The majority eats fatty sh*t foods like Mcdonalds, Pizza hut, Chilis etc... and guess what the population increases every year. I believe if you eat these foods once in a while you stand a better chance of longevity. I say this because the people I mentioned above are totaly abusive and live a long time regardless.

 

[The Gardener]

Good points Ty and Redbone... please allow me to add one more.

Obviously, genetics is a major determinant of our lifespan and health. And obviously, so is nutrition. I would also add in the importance of a good mental condition. A person who has a good support system of friends and family, has a sense of humor, a relatively positive outlook, and a mindset that he/she has some influence on events that effect him/her and is not just a 'victim of life' tends to have extraordinarily longer life spans than those who do not. It is called 'hardiness' and such traits have been well documented to improve quality and longetivity of life.

I also think that regular exercise helps. Nothing like endorphins to put one's mind at ease, and help you sleep like a rock!

 

[Guest]

redbonehow old are you fella? c'mon this is basic stuff.

.....and guess what the population increases every year.....

bad health through dietry factors appears later in life, the diseases we associate with age (adiposity, cancers, degenretive diseases etc) will not generally effect a populations ability to reproduce, as by the time one of them puts you in the heart/cancel/'myassfelloff' unit at 48 you would have already had kids.

Screw a majority of this eating healthy crap- I know guys who smoke like chimneys, eat fatty trans foods are overweight and live to be well into there seventies....

sh*t!!!! The classic my grandpa smoked 500 a day and lived till he was 200 argument, haven't heard that one in a while.

OK redbone take 100 people, blindfold them and get them to walk across the motorway (freeway?) interview the 7 that make it alive and publish your findings under the heading "FREEWAY DANGERS ALL NONESENSE", sub-headed "I know guys who have done it and they haven't got a scratch on them"

Ty
 

 

[Redbone]

Your being subjective Tynan. You dont live in the US so how can you evaluate it? I was in England recently and you people are worse off than us when it comes to diet. I remember asking a waitress in a restaurant if the food I was ordering was overly fatty. Two ladies behind me started laughing and said "Worried about your colesterol are you." They proceeded to consume the most unhealthy things I have ever seen.

For your argument above you get a very small percentage of people that die from those disease's as opposed to the number who abuse it. When I said the population was increasing I was not talking about making babies, I was talking about the average lifespan 77 in US going up. So obviousley something is going right. What the average age in U.K? What the average lifespan for balding cartoon characters?

 

[Guest]

Your being subjective Tynan. You dont live in the US so how can you evaluate it? I was in England recently and you people are worse off than us when it comes to diet

redbone I agree! my point is about diet in general, this is not a U.S. is better or U.K is better thing, my information is not anecdotal it is from published figures.

My use of what sounds like a clichéd U.S diet was for clarity, I could have easily put 'Smarties, Mars Bars and Findus crispy pancakes' but this would have little resonance with most (U.S.) people here.

You are probably right about the U.K a lot of people here live on sh*t, the U.K is know as the 'cheap food capital of the world' not because of low prices, but because if you were to promote a food product or store in say....a danish or Italian market, you would use sales tools such as "XXXX pizzas now with organic cheese and hill grown herbs' or 'XXXX chicken bake with free range organic chicken and farm fresh vegetables'

In the UK it's more likely to be "hey! idiots you can eat all this sh*t and get two more buckets free for only £1.99" or "25 pizzas for £5 you have to f*****g mad not to buy this!!!!!"

For your argument above you get a very small percentage of people that die from those disease's as opposed to the number who abuse it.

The majority of people die from the diseases mentioned above, cancer and heart disease are the two biggest killers is the developed world. It is directly proportional to 'the number who abuse it (sic)'

When I said the population was increasing I was not talking about making babies, I was talking about the average lifespan 77 in US going up. So obviousley something is going right. What the average age in U.K? What the average lifespan for balding cartoon characters?

OK I understand what you mean here, I think the average lifespan in the U.K slightly lower than the U.S. and you are right it is increasing. You are also right that something is going right, I suspect a majority of this is related to the leaps and bounds we are making in medicine, surgical procedures, infant mortality, intervention and early diagnosis improvments and so on.



Ty

 

[Guest]

And to underscore point,

The news has just been on the TV (UK channel 4) with a report that broke over the weekend regarding the UK goverments concern over food advertising aimed at chlldren.

the main points of concern were:

the rise in obesity especially in children could reverse the gains we have made in extended life spans over the last 50 years

Many children will live a shorter life than their parents, live expectancy will drop.

I mention this point as it futher undermines the 'don't worry about eating all this health food crap, look we are doing just fine' argument.

This report was not by a leftwing vegetarian commie all-natural think tank, this was by the FSA (the UK goverments food standards agency)

Ty

 

[Guest]

I dont want to get sucked into a UK vs US debate but i believe the U.S leads the world in obesity levels by a long , long way. :smoke:

Mcdonalds is the anti-christ i would sooner eat a sh*t sandwich than eat a Big Mac. Well actually its pretty much the same thing when you think of it. :laugh:

 

[Guest]

This report was not by a leftwing vegetarian commie all-natural think tank, this was by the FSA (the UK goverments food standards agency)

FSA? I thought it was FCUK? :lol:

Whats this got to do with propecia anyway? Thread hi-jackers! :lol: