Sebutape obtained. Am testing 3 topicals/results next week

[Guest]

In what way is peppermint bad for your hair? and would drinking peppermint tea be bad for hair too?

I put peppermint oil/water at about a 1/40 or so concentration on one half of my chin for three months over a year ago. It severely reduced the beard whiskers there vs. the other side. It was a "wow" effect. However, its taken a long time to start regrowing as well as the other side. In fact, its still not come back completely.

I dont know if its upregging tnf-alpha as someone has suggested or what, but I have a feeling that something in peppermint might just be bad for hair period. We know that peppermint is an alpha five reductase inhibitor courtesy of a Japanese study (google it) in human skin, and that peppermint/spearmint teas have been shown to be somewhat effective against hirsutism in women (Turkish study on pubmed), but if it was "good" for hair, then menthol shampoos would be known hair-growth stimulants by now. They are not, why is this? JTelecom, over at another site, has noted that when he has used mentholated hairloss shampoos in the past, his hair will look worse, not better. I guess the only way to find out would be to put menthol on some non-androgenic hair (like eyebrows) for several months and see if it had a negative effect on it...............

I always thought what decreases body hair would increase scalp hair. Is eyebrow hair the same as the scalp? I've heard many woman taking spearmint tea for their hirsutism, but I've heard no reports of hair loss from their heads.

Why did you mention menthol shampoos? Do they contain mint? because from what I have seen, I find some that don't.

 

[Bryan]

I always thought what decreases body hair would increase scalp hair.

Do you think putting Vaniqa on your scalp would stimulate hair growth?

 

[Bryan]

Here is where Im at gents.

Lavender and water at this point seems to have reduced the sebum secretions a little more than the other things, but it isn't much. Maybe a 20% reduction or thereabouts

Aren't you going to post scans of the Sebutape test-strips for us to examine?

 

[CCS]

What about those scalp hairs on either side of the top of the neck? Not the curlly body hairs on the mid neck, but right up in the corners: the ones that grow over 1 inch long. You could test peppermint on those. Any of us could. That would tell us if it is any good.

As MB's mentholated shampoo statement: he said a year ago that his peppermint water hair spray helped his hair. I think our imagination gets the better of us. Only comparing sides will get the info we need.

 

[michael barry]

Aren't you going to post scans of the Sebutape test-strips for us to examine?

Bryan,
Unless I get a roughly 50% reduction in sebum, Im not going to personally encourage anyone to get excited about anything. I'll probably wind up testing the five or six potential anti-androgens that people have discussed and wondered about for years on these sites. If I get something encouraging, I'll try and use the video-camera thingy and put up some pics (never even bothered to learn how that thing works on this new laptop).



What I can tell you for certain at this point it this...................only smearing beta sitosterol on warm, wet skin..........................didn't result in much of a reduction in sebum. So even if beta sis worked, it would need a carrier. Green tea, brewed to about 4 times normal strength and mixed with ethanol and water........didn't do much, lavender and water didn't do much. Maybe 20% at 2 weeks. This is not enough for anyone to get excited about. Nizoral reduced sebum by close to 20% in that study available here at the Hairlosstalk library.


I'll give the lavender/cedarwood/ethanol/water mix (about 50% ethanol) a little time------perhaps 10 days or so......................and then move to fluridil in all probability. I might try buying the green tea extract and using ethanol at 70% concentration after that..................then I might buy some spironolactone.....................then outliers like saw palmetto and apple cider vinegar. I'd be running out of "home" remedies at that point and this thing would have failed, but on the bright side............................we'd all KNOW for certain that no home topical anti-androgen out of that list above would be effective, and that would answer some long-festering questions on these sites once and for all.


This whole testing process shouldn't take very long, maybe 3 months, and either we will have a topical anti-androgen that we KNOW is at least effective at the sebaceous gland level or we wont. I'll have contributed all I could to the hairloss discussion other than the "advice" Ive given about the best, least-side effect regimine in my opinion up-to-this-point finasteride, nizoral 2-3X a week, prox-n).

 

[CCS]

Have you tried peppermint yet? I'm currious if the peppermint is the killer anti-androgen, or if it is the same as the rest and this proves it is an epilatory only.

I still say the hair just under the nape is a good testing ground for peppermint oil. Cosmetically OK to kill, but still has scalp hair growth properties. I mean the hairs that are really close together, not the neck hair that is spaced like body hair.

 

[CCS]

Aren't you going to post scans of the Sebutape test-strips for us to examine?

Bryan,
Unless I get a roughly 50% reduction in sebum, Im not going to personally encourage anyone to get excited about anything. I'll probably wind up testing the five or six potential anti-androgens that people have discussed and wondered about for years on these sites. If I get something encouraging, I'll try and use the video-camera thingy and put up some pics (never even bothered to learn how that thing works on this new laptop).



What I can tell you for certain at this point it this...................only smearing beta sitosterol on warm, wet skin..........................didn't result in much of a reduction in sebum. So even if beta sis worked, it would need a carrier. Green tea, brewed to about 4 times normal strength and mixed with ethanol and water........didn't do much, lavender and water didn't do much. Maybe 20% at 2 weeks. This is not enough for anyone to get excited about. Nizoral reduced sebum by close to 20% in that study available here at the Hairlosstalk library.


I'll give the lavender/cedarwood/ethanol/water mix (about 50% ethanol) a little time------perhaps 10 days or so......................and then move to fluridil in all probability. I might try buying the green tea extract and using ethanol at 70% concentration after that..................then I might buy some spironolactone.....................then outliers like saw palmetto and apple cider vinegar. I'd be running out of "home" remedies at that point and this thing would have failed, but on the bright side............................we'd all KNOW for certain that no home topical anti-androgen out of that list above would be effective, and that would answer some long-festering questions on these sites once and for all.


This whole testing process shouldn't take very long, maybe 3 months, and either we will have a topical anti-androgen that we KNOW is at least effective at the sebaceous gland level or we wont. I'll have contributed all I could to the hairloss discussion other than the "advice" Ive given about the best, least-side effect regimine in my opinion up-to-this-point finasteride, nizoral 2-3X a week, prox-n).

You should mail El_duterino some testing strips. He has RU. It would be nice to know the percentage it reduces by.

Nice to know I should not waste time with beta sis, compared to green tea. I personally will use pure EGCG. Should be stronger than green tea.

You should mail some strips to Admin so he can test his spironolactone. He's already stated he saw a reduction in oiliness 1/2 inch below where he applied the spironolactone.