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Shannen Doherty Shaves Head For Chemotherapy (breast Cancer) - Looks Devastated

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This thread highlights the issue with a lot of posters, their persepctives are totally twister. If she was shaving her hair for a part in a movie she wouldn't give a crap and would be happy to do it, it's because she has breast cancer.

I made it pretty clear right off the bat that the context of this thread would be specifically about the hair loss alone. I've had friends and family go through cancer, and the ones that went through chemo ALL said the worst part of it was the hair loss. Well golly gee, some of us here have been fully bald for a long time but we're made to feel like sh*t about it by society. But like Larry David once said, 'cancer bald' is a badge of courage and honour, but regular bald is genetically defective. It's not like we don't know what it means to be BALD but everyone else says 'just shave it bruh, just be confident'.

Now some of you guys are just going to brush that off and say it's the cancer that's the problem... so it really proves my point:

What are you assuming these sufferers are more devastated about, the loss of their hair (temporary) or knowing that the cancer itself might end their life?

You'd have to be out of your mind if you think I'm downplaying the cancer, LOL. Yeah, as if potential death is something to take lightly... hell, the fact that it's breast cancer and she might lose her tits should actually be the #1 concern... it's part of what defines her as a woman.

But no.. screw that, it's the shaven head that gets the most sympathy? You guys need to get your priorities checked!
 

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jesus you guys are hilarious sometimes. she's sad and making a big deal out of it because she has cancer

the rapid loss of hair due to chemo (you know, taking toxic drugs and having your body blasted with radiation) is the most obvious signifier of that. it's symbolic of the physically debilitating, life-threatening disease she has.

Are you saying that her shaving her hair is more traumatizing than everything else she has to go through with cancer?

Because if youre not then she should be sad about the cancer and not about a temporary setback of a shaved head. She's got breast cancer to note, potential of losing a breast (or both?), wouldn't you be more concerned about that than just losing your hair from chemotherapy that will ultimately work to your benefit (hopefully)?

Her life and breasts are at stake and the everyone is acting as if she already died because she shaved her head?

That just PROVES right there how important hair really is!!
 

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Ah I get it, just do a little 9 word disclaimer and take out on whoever you want and disregard the main point at hand which is VERY, very important.

Again that main point- oh f*** it you can't understand anything. Case in point:

Are you saying that her shaving her hair is more traumatizing than everything else she has to go through with cancer?

That's not what he was saying at all, how did you possibly get that from what you quoted? But you sure did run with it.
 

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Ah I get it, just do a little 9 word disclaimer and take out on whoever you want and disregard the main point at hand which is VERY, very important.

Again that main point- oh f*** it you can't understand anything. Case in point:

That's not what he was saying at all, how did you possibly get that from what you quoted? But you sure did run with it.

It's funny how obvious you make it that you've got a personal vendetta against me (for whatever reason) seeing how you take things out of context and then flap your gums about it. Leads me to believe you're just a troll.
 

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If you don't understand the problem I have with you then you clearly aren't retaining words that don't suit you, I've made it clear oh so many times.

But I didn't take anything out of context, you did a 9 word disclaimer at the start of the post, as you say, and I acknowledged this, and how you felt that little disclaimer gave you a right to take out on a cancer patient while missing the bigger point of why she's so depressed about shaving her hair. Simple.
 

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h.l.'s usual strategy, claim that:

"You missed the point, read the post again, you don't get it! You deliberately ignored my point! You're wrong, you're insecure! Man you're batshit crazy! Do people believe this sh*t?!"

Now I'm waiting for you to drop a "I can't even...".

Not really a strategy but yes, that's all correct. With you especially I stand by the fact that all of those sentences are often correctly used.
 

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OK fine let's look at the whole chunk:

Are you saying that her shaving her hair is more traumatizing than everything else she has to go through with cancer?

Because if youre not then she should be sad about the cancer and not about a temporary setback of a shaved head. She's got breast cancer to note, potential of losing a breast (or both?), wouldn't you be more concerned about that than just losing your hair from chemotherapy that will ultimately work to your benefit (hopefully)?

Her life and breasts are at stake and the everyone is acting as if she already died because she shaved her head?

That just PROVES right there how important hair really is!!

He's already explained that the shaving of the hair is like a visual representation in being sad about the cancer, she's probably depressed about losing a breast as well but she's hardly going to post that online.

But assuming because she's sad about shaving her head somehow detracts from how sad she probably is about cancer is just reaching way too far, and it is intentional with your agenda in this topic.
 

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See! He's doing it again! It's just comical at this point.

How can you not realize that this post is devoid of any content.

I really think that you just like to argue.

I already explained the main point, so did Dench, and I just explained it again, so when I have to keep repeating myself I tend to go "you're still missing the bigger point" or "as already explained numerous times" etc. in the hope people will read back, which obviously never happens.
 

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OK fine let's look at the whole chunk:



He's already explained that the shaving of the hair is like a visual representation in being sad about the cancer, she's probably depressed about losing a breast as well but she's hardly going to post that online.

But assuming because she's sad about shaving her head somehow detracts from how sad she probably is about cancer is just reaching way too far, and it is intentional with your agenda in this topic.

It's pretty clear that she's sad about the hair loss, 6 public photos all about shaving it off. It's not being bicked, just shaved. She's still has hair, it's still a temporary setback, and she still has the cancer which should concern her more (and I'm sure it does). What I can't give sympathy for is the hair loss ITSELF; get that through your head and don't deviate from context like you always do.

If you were to tell me that I've got prostate cancer and the solution to it requires temporary loss of hair, I'd take that trade off in a heartbeat. That'd be actually something to smile about.

But instead, they make this huge spectacle about TEMPORARILY losing hair into some great tragedy.... not the cancer itself! But the temporary loss of hair!

Am I the only one that recognizes this ridiculousness?
 

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I wish her best of luck. Cancer should not exist. It is a very unfair blow under the belt by nature, God, pick your favorite.

Indeed it is interesting to note that, of all the terrible effects of the cure, hair loss is the one that is always underlined and that betters represents the tremendous illness. It is a bit sad, because it reminds you, if necessary, of what you - as a balding person - have had to endure, are enduring, will endure. And I don't even think the timing of the process changes anything: as many have said in these pages, the idea that the process takes ages rather than happening soon does not help; if anything, it prolongs the pain.

However, the period after the advent of chemo is not certainly the first historical occasion in which baldness has been associated to defeat and loss.
When France was liberated from the Nazis, Nazi collaborators were forcibly shaved to mark them and shame them. Today, this is considered by some as too much and indiscriminate of a punishment (!?!)

I always wondered what bald men were thinking at that time when people mocked the shaved heads.

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/french-female-collaborator-punished-head-shaved-publicly-mark-1944/


In addition to your great insight, Roberto my favorite part about your posts
are their historical significance and how you deftly weave history into the context of the forum narrative without compromising the human element.
Although hats were generally fashionable for men during that tenuous period,
I suppose bald men may have been the trends happiest exploiters. I can only imagine the admixture of unpleasant reactions that were met or expressed by the innocent balding males who were consequently disadvantaged and perhaps even socially subjugated by this presumably unorthodox and misguided punitive measure;
regular guys who had no other alternative, but to deal with their hair loss pragmatically.

In more recent generations, we bald men may be cognizant more than ever
of the compounding complexities twisting deeper into the modern psyche.
After the 'terminally despicable', neo-Nazi/skinhead movement(s) metastasized
and came to a grotesque head (on public domain), serving only to ingrain the preexisting stigma of baldness
and further the victimization effects in particular, of the conscience and subconscious minds
of an untold number of latter generation bald males recently recovering from the growing pains of adolescence.
Tender young men, simply trying to learn how to cope or adjust
to their desperate aesthetic dilemma (among other serious stuff).
You don't have to be a scholar of modern history to see how baldness is still a popular symbol of evil,
you only have to open your eyes.., the signs are everywhere.[/QUOTE]
 

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My Grandmother(i dont know what word is use to call wife of grandfather's brother's wife) had undergone chemo sessions few months back because of uterine carcinoma.

She lost her entire hairs in the month of march something, now she has completely been treated,now she has boycut hairstyle.

Her cancer was detected at Early stage.
My mother's cousin bro who is gyanaec , just 3 years older than me detected and help her cure cancer even when her few screening test have not turned positive.
 

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It's pretty clear that she's sad about the hair loss, 6 public photos all about shaving it off. It's not being bicked, just shaved. She's still has hair, it's still a temporary setback, and she still has the cancer which should concern her more (and I'm sure it does). What I can't give sympathy for is the hair loss ITSELF; get that through your head and don't deviate from context like you always do.

If you were to tell me that I've got prostate cancer and the solution to it requires temporary loss of hair, I'd take that trade off in a heartbeat. That'd be actually something to smile about.

But instead, they make this huge spectacle about TEMPORARILY losing hair into some great tragedy.... not the cancer itself! But the temporary loss of hair!

Am I the only one that recognizes this ridiculousness?


I disagree, just because there are worse things happening to you doesn't make bad things any better.

No doubt anyone would choose no cancer over hair,

But everyone would also choose cancer without losing hair over cancer with hair loss.

Sometimes these small things are harder to deal with, as they are real physical symptoms of a horrible thing happening to you.
 

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It's pretty clear that she's sad about the hair loss, 6 public photos all about shaving it off. It's not being bicked, just shaved. She's still has hair, it's still a temporary setback, and she still has the cancer which should concern her more (and I'm sure it does). What I can't give sympathy for is the hair loss ITSELF; get that through your head and don't deviate from context like you always do.

If you were to tell me that I've got prostate cancer and the solution to it requires temporary loss of hair, I'd take that trade off in a heartbeat. That'd be actually something to smile about.

But instead, they make this huge spectacle about TEMPORARILY losing hair into some great tragedy.... not the cancer itself! But the temporary loss of hair!

Am I the only one that recognizes this ridiculousness?

You act as if your point is really cryptic and difficult to understand, let me clarify- I understand this complicated issue you've raised for us all: you think she just hates the hair loss.

I didn't think I would need to point out that I get it, but OK, that is through my head, and has been from the word go.

You are deviating from the context because again: she may hate the hair loss of course, but the main point, it represents that she's just hit a very important part of treatment, and you may see it as a POSITIVE thing but in reality it's very scary, now she not only looks different, but she'll soon be finding out how she responds to the chemotherapy that will either save her or soon end her life.

The hair loss sucks but more importantly it is of visual significance that a middle aged woman could soon be seeing the end of her life.

You can't simply remove the context of cancer from this situation, hating her for just losing her hair temporarily, whether you've put in a little disclaimer or not, is unfair as you're choosing to take away the element of death in all this, and even worse that you keep saying "she'll be fine, she'll grow it back soon anyway" and think your little disclaimer makes that alright too.

Using examples of people you've known who have died from cancer only makes what you're saying worse, not better, are you some kind of f*****g sociopath?
 

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First off, I'm not judging anyone's opinion on what he/she feels is worse: Androgenetic Alopecia or cancer. I think one would first have to experience hair loss as a healthy individual, live life as a truly bald person and then be diagnosed with cancer to be able to answer that question. Secondly, I've seen four people close to me suffer from cancer, three from diagnosis to deathbeds, so I'm not ignorant to others' suffering, both physical and mental, from the horrible disease.

Two years into my hair loss, I read this article in People Magazine:

http://www.people.com/article/joan-lunden-bald-reveal-breast-cancer

What struck me the most was this comment:

"But when you lose your hair, it just affects the way that you look at yourself in the mirror. You feel less feminine, pretty or desirable, and it's not an easy thing to go through."

I wondered why she didn't take that opportunity to express empathy for women who suffer from Androgenetic Alopecia or other types of alopecia--women who will never regrow their hair and some of whom will forever feel "less feminine, pretty or desirable".

I'll also share with you the first two paragraphs from a young girl's story I read on WHLP a long while back:

"June 14th 2004. I bet I know what you’re thinking. 'That’s when her hair started falling out' Right? Nope. That’s when I had my ability to walk taken away from me. It was a normal day, and I was training for a big national competition in Australia with my horse. I had been riding for 10 years before that day, and falling off was just another thing. No big deal. I had heard that you had a 2% chance of something going horribly wrong if you fell off a horse, and I’d never come away with anything more then a couple of bruises and some sore muscles until that day. I was now a paraplegic. Being faced with the fact that I would never walk again. Ever. That I would be completely dependant on a wheelchair for the rest of my life and have to learn all over again to do simple tasks like looking after myself. It was hard. Very hard. But not the hardest thing I’ve experienced.

Just before my 16th birthday, my hair began to fall out. Very slowly at first, just a few more stands then normal. But in the next week it became more and more noticeable. There would be hair on my pillow, in my sheets, stuck on my clothes, on the lounge, in the shower, absolutely everywhere. Handfuls of hair would painlessly and effortlessly come out just running my fingers through my hair. I used to sit on the bottom of the shower in shock, as I watched my hair run loose with the stream of water and watch the water rise as the hair covered the drain. I was petrified of brushing my hair. I wanted to keep the small amount of hair that I had left. I felt so ugly, so alone, like such a freak. I was a girl! A YOUNG girl. And here I was holding my hair in my hands crying and hoping to God that this was just a horrible, nasty dream."

I'll end by saying that, for me, at this stage of my life, anything that would make me dependent upon or take me away from my family would be worse than hair loss. I can't say with certainty how I'd feel, though, if I were a young, single woman with Androgenetic Alopecia.
 

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Touching story, Joan. But I'd rather have the ability to walk than have hair, so I guess I'm different from her in that way.
 

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Breast cancer aside (keep that in mind for perspective!), look at her facial expression of complete devastation because she's about to shave her head. Not bicked down to the scalp, just shaved... and it'll grow back once the chemo is done anyway.

Hard to feel sorry for her when so many of us have to feel like that every f*****g day for life.

I don't get it though. Why do they make it such a big deal if it's apparently 'just hair' and it'll grow back for chemo patients anyway? Shouldn't they be devastated over the fact that it's life threatening and the chemo is going to suck? It reminds me of how @FredTheBelgian responds with a razor to shave it all off when his friends say 'its just hair'.... they all backpedal with fear if THEY are the ones having to have no hair. So what is it? Is it just hair or do people take pleasure in others being socially gimped for the benefit of being a fullhead... you know, being privileged?

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I haven't even got around to my 2nd point in all this, I didn't think the first one would be so hard to be understood but you're making such a balls of it.

Anyway, why shouldn't she be allowed to be depressed about her baldness? What, because she has a vagina? And judges bald guys badly the same way you do? (which is why you hate baldness as much as anyone)

You've devoted how many hours of your life to finding out about hair loss and how badly it must affect you like everyone else, then we have this chick who puts up 6 pictures on instagram expressing her sadness over it and you call her out for her self-obsession.

What a f*****g hypocrite.
 

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You act as if your point is really cryptic and difficult to understand, let me clarify- I understand this complicated issue you've raised for us all: you think she just hates the hair loss.

I didn't think I would need to point out that I get it, but OK, that is through my head, and has been from the word go.

You are deviating from the context because again: she may hate the hair loss of course, but the main point, it represents that she's just hit a very important part of treatment, and you may see it as a POSITIVE thing but in reality it's very scary, now she not only looks different, but she'll soon be finding out how she responds to the chemotherapy that will either save her or soon end her life.

The hair loss sucks but more importantly it is of visual significance that a middle aged woman could soon be seeing the end of her life.

You can't simply remove the context of cancer from this situation, hating her for just losing her hair temporarily, whether you've put in a little disclaimer or not, is unfair as you're choosing to take away the element of death in all this, and even worse that you keep saying "she'll be fine, she'll grow it back soon anyway" and think your little disclaimer makes that alright too.

Using examples of people you've known who have died from cancer only makes what you're saying worse, not better, are you some kind of f*****g sociopath?

Did you call me a sociopath? LOL, dude you cherry pick EVERYTHING and go off the rails in every thread!.. Almost literally EVERY thread. You are what most would call a hypocrite in this regard.

But you just did it again; conveniently ignored context... those friends of mine who DID go through cancer complained about the hair loss more than anything else. I too suffer from hair loss so I know what THAT (and that alone) feels like, but that apparently doesn't make you question WHY that is when cancer patients have bigger things to worry about. Like I said; it's pretty evident that hair IS an important factor if even cancer patients are so traumatized by it EVEN IF temporarily. Are you able to comprehend this?

Nobody here is downplaying cancer, although YOU are the only one that is implying that I am doing this because (again) you've got a vendetta against me.... perhaps it's because I've proved you wrong so many times before and you can't take it anymore and you feel the need to spazz out (although you do this frequently all over the forum, so perhaps it's an underlying problem with you).
 

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You've devoted how many hours of your life to finding out about hair loss and how badly it must affect you like everyone else, then we have this chick who puts up 6 pictures on instagram expressing her sadness over it and you call her out for her self-obsession.

Because it's temporary for her. Stop ignoring that.

What a f*****g hypocrite.

LOL, you need to think with logic.
 
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