SHAVING IT ALL OFF

[teester]

woman who won't marry a potential bald man

Nice reply Brucelee. My thoughts exactly. What a shallow woman to put a priority on her potential man's hairline. Teester

 

[Guest]

Re: woman who won't marry a potential bald man

Nice reply Brucelee. My thoughts exactly. What a shallow woman to put a priority on her potential man's hairline. Teester

Sadly, it was not my reply but I wish I had written it.

Author was Ken Pizzi, MD.

 

[lentara]

Bruce~
re your Food For Thought post...
Interesting but some of it is just crap.
Why? Well, for all those health reasons I could (If I had the forethought to bring the studies w/me to work...which I didn't) site studies that show that obesity is not necessarily a disease. BUT, we won't even argue that. Some fat folk are unhealthy; some aren't. Some skinny folk are healthy; some aren't.
However, let's cut the sh*t. The truth is that in our culture, at this particular time in our history, slim is in. Men want women who are slim and women want to be slim (this poster included). But, the truth is, slenderness is about what society says is cute and not much else. Look at history...Botticelli nudes for example...and just as one example. Being heftier WAS considered a sign of health "back in the day" as they say. Not so now and that's fine as long as we don't get nuts with it.
Just as an aside...my sister-in-law has moved from Vietnam to the US and has been here for 2 years. In their culture we "big" Americans, whether we be the thinner or fatter variety, are considered healthy and desirable in their culture. Food and being heavy is equated with wealth and well-being over there.
Okay, I am now ready to be soundly chastised.

 

[Guest]

Bruce~
re your Food For Thought post...
Interesting but some of it is just crap.
Why? Well, for all those health reasons I could (If I had the forethought to bring the studies w/me to work...which I didn't) site studies that show that obesity is not necessarily a disease. BUT, we won't even argue that. Some fat folk are unhealthy; some aren't. Some skinny folk are healthy; some aren't.
However, let's cut the sh*t. The truth is that in our culture, at this particular time in our history, slim is in. Men want women who are slim and women want to be slim (this poster included). But, the truth is, slenderness is about what society says is cute and not much else. Look at history...Botticelli nudes for example...and just as one example. Being heftier WAS considered a sign of health "back in the day" as they say. Not so now and that's fine as long as we don't get nuts with it.
Just as an aside...my sister-in-law has moved from Vietnam to the US and has been here for 2 years. In their culture we "big" Americans, whether we be the thinner or fatter variety, are considered healthy and desirable in their culture. Food and being heavy is equated with wealth and well-being over there.
Okay, I am now ready to be soundly chastised.

I am not here to chastise you. I personally find overweight folks quite repugnant to look at and believe that they are lazy or/and or in abject denial. Having said that, many are quite nice and wonderful to hang with.

But I would not marry a woman who was obese, plain and simple.

Must make me shallow, I will survive such label.

Re: Health, I think you would lose that arugment. I think we have enough pure and applied science to suggest that heavier is unhealthier, all things being held equal.

This is quite diff from the days when they though heavy was good and the world was flat.

Sounds good to me.

:lol:

 

[lentara]

I don't think it's shallow, whether you care about what you are labeled or not, to want to be with someone you find attractive.
Like I said, there are studies to refute studies to refute studies. I think a lot of stuff depends on individuals, etc. but doesn't everything?
There is overweight and there is extremely overweight. In general, I do not find overweight people "repugnant" to look at however when you get into the morbidly obese it becomes different. Then we are talking people who can barely walk...there is someone close to my family who is like that. He can no longer walk but shuffles along. I do not think he is in denial. I think he lives in a world filled with self-hatred and anger (he has become increasingly belligirent over the years). I do not find him repugnant but I also would not want to spend an evening with him b/c of his attitude and anger. I feel compassion for many overweight people but as a person struggling with her own weight I do not feel repugnance for anyone else (just myself) who is struggling with it b/c it's not an easy place to get out of.
Also the question can become over what weight?
As always, interesting thoughts/ideas/discussions abound here.

 

[Guest]

I don't think it's shallow, whether you care about what you are labeled or not, to want to be with someone you find attractive.
Like I said, there are studies to refute studies to refute studies. I think a lot of stuff depends on individuals, etc. but doesn't everything?
There is overweight and there is extremely overweight. In general, I do not find overweight people "repugnant" to look at however when you get into the morbidly obese it becomes different. Then we are talking people who can barely walk...there is someone close to my family who is like that. He can no longer walk but shuffles along. I do not think he is in denial. I think he lives in a world filled with self-hatred and anger (he has become increasingly belligirent over the years). I do not find him repugnant but I also would not want to spend an evening with him b/c of his attitude and anger. I feel compassion for many overweight people but as a person struggling with her own weight I do not feel repugnance for anyone else (just myself) who is struggling with it b/c it's not an easy place to get out of.
Also the question can become over what weight?
As always, interesting thoughts/ideas/discussions abound here.

I dont have a specific number in mind. I just call them as I see them. I am a simple man.

 

[lentara]

:lol:

 

[Guest]

Well, going back on topic, I am really scared to think of shaving my hair, but if push comes to shove and my treatments do not work, maybe that is just the best thing to do.

It would be nice to get the shaving thread back on track and see what other ladies' opinions are on this idea.

Laura

 

[Ally]

Has anyone here cut their hair to a length of about 1 inch all over? Sort of the GI Jane look? Mine's down to about 3 inches all over and I like it alot better this way. But it's also naturally curly so that helps hide the thinning, at least so far.

 

[Anita]

Ally- last year my hair was like Halle Berry's (a bit shorter). Not really a shaved look but it was as close as it got. Of course, this all was before my hair loss began...

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

Has anyone here cut their hair to a length of about 1 inch all over? Sort of the GI Jane look? Mine's down to about 3 inches all over and I like it alot better this way. But it's also naturally curly so that helps hide the thinning, at least so far.

The shortest mine's has ever been was also within about 3 inches of the scalp. I looked like an extremely affordable male prostitute. It is not a look I intend to cultivate again, unless I get really desperate for male company. :lol:

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

. While everyone has the right to determine what they want in a partner, I hope ? for your sake ? that you don't develop some of the maladies that plague women when they age, such as wrinkles, cellulite, stretch marks, varicose veins, sagging breasts, loss of breast size, a "tummy" that is refractory to sit-ups, and excessive fat on the hips, thighs, and buttocks. Men can get fat, too, but they're less apt to wrinkle, much less likely to have cellulite, stretch marks, or varicosities, and almost immune from sagging breasts ? for obvious reasons.

What "right"? You have the right to have a preference for something, certainly. Do you have an automatic and inalienable right to have that preference met? To "determine" it? Not a bit of it. This is the problem with people today. My philosophy lecturer used to call it "The No Theory Theory". People state a preference for something, and they feel that preference automatically translates into a right. It does not. You are free to have a preference for skinny women if you wish. I defend your right to have that right. (er, is that right? :wink But the so called "right" to have that preference met is contingent upon a number of features, not least that you can find a skinny woman willing to marry you. If you cannot, then this "right" does not exist. (and that doesn't even get touch the issue of any "right" to have her remain skinny for the duration of your marriage). It is not an inalienable right in say, the way the right not to be raped, assualted or murdered, which is binding on all times and at all places, irrespective of anyone's elses preferences. So no, it ain't a "right". Its a preference. :hairy:

The scorecard? Presuming that a man keeps in shape, his one major sign of aging is hair loss. Women face more risks, which may be why our society thinks that older men can still be very attractive, but older women are rarely coveted. If you disagree with this, don't kill the messenger. I'm just relaying what is common knowledge.

Just because something is a certain way, doesn't mean that it always has to be, that it should not be challenged. If one were to perceive this double standard as unfair, then he or she might construe it as their duty to challenge the status quo. Change never came about through people sitting back and saying "well that's just the way it is so no point trying to do anything about it."

 

[Guest]

:lol:

I believe she was a Communist. At least that is what I heard!

 

[teester]

shaving it off.

A huge part of me wants to shave it all off. I feel a big sense relief might come from doing it. I am tired of seeing the hair disappear. Every day I say good bye for good to the hairs that fall out. I dread the shower, the attempt to style and stepping out into the world just to have the wind blow my hair into a sparse (sp) mess :freaked: . I am afraid if I cut it to a one inch length that my hair will not be long enough to cover the thinning areas.(Right now my hair is about 4 inches long and I am able to cover the thinning areas with a lot of teasing and hairspray. (A horrible look by the way.) So I think (quite often) that it would be better to get rid of all of it.
The other day I was watching espn with my husband and a woman was on with her son. Well my jaw dropped to the floor-she was completely bald. The first thing that came to my mind was "YOU GO GIRL!" :agree: My husband said I never looked so happy in a long time. It turned out the woman was recieving chemo. But she did not wear a wig or a bandana. She was just o natural. For a brief momment I felt good. I could really get use to seeing woman bald. But if you venture over to the male forum I don't think one guy would be attracted or would accept woman walking around bald. My husband included. Extremely unfair. We woman have accepted and looked past that particular feature on a man forever. Ok we may be less attractive at first glance or it may take a few minutes to adjust but hell we are human and we have to live on this planet aswell. This disease sucks the big one. Not only do we have to deal with it personally we have to deal with society's unacceptance. I would like to be bald for one day and have an "in your face attitude."
I will be shaving it all off once my scalp is showing permenantly. Teester

 

[Anita]

Yes, why is it that if a woman becomes bald a result of chemo, everyone is so supportive and say she is beautiful and brave, etc. I mean, I am definitely not saying that women with cancer don't deserve to have these things said. But when a woman voluntarily shaves their head, I think she is ALSO beautiful and brave!

 

[Guest]

Teester and Anita, thanks for your posts, you both make good points!

I really hope that I have enough motivation and hope to help spread the word about Androgenetic Alopecia in women. I think more people should know about this condition.

Maya and I were thinking of driving a VW bus across America and spreading the word, creating support groups and providing information along the way. Wanna join? Hehe just kidding. That would be kind of cool though, don't you think?

Laura

 

[teester]

shaving it off

If I didn't have children to take care of I would be packing my bags right now with clippers in hand ready to shave it all off. Teester

 

[Guest]

"If I didn't have children to take care of I would be packing my bags right now with clippers in hand ready to shave it all off. Teester"

Teester,
I'm right there with you...If I didn't have a son, etc. it'd be bald girl party time...spreading the word across the world!!! :lol:

 

[Guest]

"I believe she was a Communist. At least that is what I heard!" BruceLee

Ah, had not heard that one...I like the quote though.

 

[lentara]

OOPS!
The two above posts were mine.
Anyhoo...
"But if you venture over to the male forum I don't think one guy would be attracted or would accept woman walking around bald. My husband included. Extremely unfair. " Teester

The problem is that most people don't have the guts to see past their narrow view of what's attractive...in my most humble opinion. Most people (myself included sometimes) lack the guts to be brave in the face of negative public opinion. :-x Many men who might find someone w/little or no hair attractive would be swayed by their "buddies" razzing them about it.