Should I Try Propecia/finasteride Or Not?

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Whether or not other hormones play a (minor) role, DHT is by FAR the biggest contributor. It is a known fact that males who have congenital 5ar type 2 deficiency never lose any of their hair. They don't even develop a mature hairline. All their other hormones except for DHT are at normal levels. Since the lack of DHT from 5ar type 2 permanently prevents hair loss for these individuals, it is reasonable to assume that finasteride and especially dutasteride can be expected to permanently halt hair loss, at least for some individuals.


If they are not viable treatment options, I don't see the point in bringing them into this thread in the first place.

I have not seen a single person who has ‘permanently prevented hair loss’ with 5AR inhibitors, and neither have you. I am not sure why people bring up people with 5ARD when that information isn’t relevant anymore. Those with 5ARD don’t go bald, and what? That doesn’t change the fact that there isn’t a single person who has had permanent results from finasteride/dutasteride.

And, I can bring up any medications in this thread if I want to.
 

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No, you can’t agree to disagree because that would imply you and Michael are on the same level. You’re not Icarus. You’re arguing with solid facts that Michael has presented.

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Exactly. That is the medical fact of it. It is insane an 18 year old is advising oral anti androgens and estrogen etc to beginners to hairloss because it’s “the only way.” It’s dangerous and irresponsible.

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Yes indeed it is dangerous and irresponsible, and is harmful advice to beginners. This is not the first thread where he has made such claims either.

I have not seen a single person who has ‘permanently prevented hair loss’ with 5AR inhibitors, and neither have you. I am not sure why people bring up people with 5ARD when that information isn’t relevant anymore. Those with 5ARD don’t go bald, and what? That doesn’t change the fact that there isn’t a single person who has had permanent results from finasteride/dutasteride.

And, I can bring up any medications in this thread if I want to.
I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. What I have said is the truth, but you don't seem to be listening to me or taking on board anything I am saying.
 
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Yes indeed it is dangerous and irresponsible, and is harmful advice to beginners. This is not the first thread where he has made such claims either.


I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. What I have said is the truth, but you don't seem to be listening to me or taking on board anything I am saying.

I am not taking on board what you are saying because I can't compare someone who is born with a disorder, and someone who is attempting to mimic the disorder. Neither do we know of many sufferers of 5ARD so it's difficult to generalise that they 'never experience hair loss'. You know that you haven't seen a single person who has had 'permanently prevented hair loss' with 5AR inhibitors, yet you are acting as if that's possible.

At the end of the day, the study which was concluding that those with 5ARD had smaller prostates, which is why finasteride was formed for benign prostate hyperplasia. It being used for male pattern baldness was just an add on to the situation, and they concluded that DHT must be the cause of hair loss if these people 'don't go bald'. But, nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case considering no one has been able to have permanent results from finasteride/dutasteride and many don't even respond to the medications. If DHT was truly the cause of hair loss, don't you think everyone would respond to it? However, that's not the case with castration since castrated men quite literally never go bald.
 

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Your hair loss, if you have any, is very minimal. It might be that it won't progress much further than it has already, especially in view of your family history. I'd advise you not to take Propecia just yet. Keep a close eye on your hair, and if you notice it getting obviously worse then get back to us on these forums again.

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U sure bro. These photos are in a direct daylight and from a much more harsh angle. There is actually a chance it will just stop?
 

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In all honesty, I am quite confused to why you believe you are experiencing hair loss. I am the same age as you and I quite literally have around 40% of the density you have... You could stop any hair loss from ever occurring and regrow your hairline with anti-androgens, but you could get gynecomastia and you will never have the ability to grow a beard. Basically, you would be freezing your current state with how you look.

You could use 5AR inhibitors like finasteride/dutasteride but is there a point? I think your hair is great and you should be happy with how it is!
Here is view in a much more harsh angle. Ok I’m experiencing balding I’m that. It’s oast nature phase. I just don’t know wtherher it will progress as since winter it hasn’t moved much at all but I’ve also been using rogaine.
 

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U sure bro. These photos are in a direct daylight and from a much more harsh angle. There is actually a chance it will just stop?
Your hair loss is minimal. It is common for some young men to get some hairline recession throughout their late teens or their twenties that doesn't progress much further. This is what is commonly referred to as a "mature hairline". This may hopefully be the case for you. On the other hand, your hair loss could potentially continue all the way to Nw7 if left untreated. There's not really any way to predict for sure how it will progress unfortunately. As other posters have advised, it is best not to start finasteride just yet. Keep an eye on your hair, and if you notice your hair getting obviously worse, then it is time to get back to us on these forums and re-evaluate.
 

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Your hair loss is minimal. It is common for some young men to get some hairline recession throughout their late teens or their twenties that doesn't progress much further. This is what is commonly referred to as a "mature hairline". This may hopefully be the case for you. On the other hand, your hair loss could potentially continue all the way to Nw7 if left untreated. There's not really any way to predict for sure how it will progress unfortunately. As other posters have advised, it is best not to start finasteride just yet. Keep an eye on your hair, and if you notice your hair getting obviously worse, then it is time to get back to us on these forums and re-evaluate.
Thanks for advice. I appreciate it
 
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