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so for how many years i can stop my hairloss?

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Beingbaldsucksass

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im right now on rogaine 5% 2 times a day morning and night,revivogen shampoo every day in the shower,nizoral every 3 or 2 days, right now i guess my hairloss is stopped, but for how much time it will continue working? can it work for 10 or 15 years if i keep treatment like it is?
 
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TravisB said:
I don't think that without finasteride you have a chance of stopping the hairloss, especially aggressive hairloss like yours.
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I'm trying to avoid finasteride because of the side effect, I'm kinda happy with my state now, I just want to keep it, so the treatment that is working now is not gonna work for a long time?
 
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Ben said:
No one can predict this, the more aggressive it is the less time you are likely to have. To keep what you have for as long as possible you need to be on a proven DHT blocker such as finasteride.
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What alternative do I have cuz I can't take this ****, it will kill me
 
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Beingbaldsucksass said:
im right now on rogaine 5% 2 times a day morning and night,revivogen shampoo every day in the shower,nizoral every 3 or 2 days, right now i guess my hairloss is stopped, but for how much time it will continue working? can it work for 10 or 15 years if i keep treatment like it is?
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With the current arsenal of treatments, it can work indefinitely. It is only a matter of the right dosage. Well, a small percentage of people may be unhappy and they can only hope that they will slow down the process, but after my 16-years' successful experience with minoxidil, and in the light of the excellent long-term results with finasteride, I am convinced that the battle can be won.

You shouldn't be confused by the depressive reports on internet forums. At first glance, it seems that 50% people complain about side effects and the second half complains about the lack of efficiacy. However, you must take into consideration that this bunch of whining guys can't be representative for the whole population of users. It primarily consists of the least successful users desperately looking for help. I realized it after I had found out that they report side effects that statistically occur in 1% people.

Furthermore, many of them didn't have positive experience with a certain sort of treatment and being deeply embittered, they have been bashing it passionately on every forum they come. This often concerns minoxidil, a drug that - according to some "wise advisors" - "stops working after 16 weeks" and "doesn't maintain your hair irrespectively of how many times you apply it". LOL The truth is that in the earliest long-term studies from late 80's, minoxidil continually increased hair counts in ca. 30% users during the whole duration of the study, i.e. as much as 5 years. And that was 2-3% minoxidil! Now, some imbeciles randomly pick up graphs from the internet, taken out of context, without reading the text of the study, and conclude that since AVERAGE hair counts in participants started to decrease soon after an initial regrowth, minoxidil may work only for several months or years. (The famous "offset regrowth theory"). The reality is different, however: The main peak of regrowth is achieved after 1-2 years, and since every group of participants contains bad responders, these people inevitably lower the average hair count in the following years, when hair counts in remaining users more or less stabilized. The compliance during the use of minoxidil is a special case, and I suspect that the lack of it was responsible for pretty absurd, sudden hair loss in the study of Koperski et al. 1987 ("Topical minoxidil therapy for androgenetic alopecia").

You get similar graphs even with finasteride, after all. If you took them out of context, you could state that finasteride works only for 2-3 years and then ALL participants suddenly start to lose their regrown hair. But we know that only 10% finasteride users experienced a worsening of their state after 5 years, and only 14% after 10 years. The "average hair counts" are very deceptive and if you see a study showing that average hair counts decrease after 16 weeks, you shouldn't take it seriously.

For your information: Personally I met a man, who has been using minoxidil since early 90's, and on Hairlosshelp.com you can find a certain forum contributor nicknamed BEACH MAN, who has been using it with permanent success since 1987. But nobody can predict, how long you will be successful with it, of course, because it is very individual. 5% minoxidil is undoubtedly less effective than finasteride, but I would be very curious, if the same could be stated about 10% or 15% minoxidil. If it loses efficiacy, you can increase the concentration, or jump on finasteride or dutasteride. The combination of minoxidil with dutasteride is probably the most effective stack on the market that should guarantee a long-term success for nearly 100% people.
 
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I've been on finasteride for 4.5 years with no side effects whatsoever. I'd really consider adding it if you're serious about keeping your hair. You can start with .25mg/day and work your way up to 1mg if you're that worried about sides.
 
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I am on fence for propecia it worries me that I could make my hair loss worse or turn my very minor slow hair loss into a major problem. I also worry a lot more about the long term effects that are kind of unknown more then something like sexual side effects. Things like prostate cancer, or some kind of brain related disorder, or some other weird thing where science does not have much understanding. No one wants to trade a cosmetic problem for a real one.
 
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