Some bad news on the cloning front

[CCS]

yes, I brought the temples forwards almost 3/4 inch and corrected the angle.

you are right that thin are just does not look good. but so does a high hair line. You have to compromise on both and get the best combo you can. I can cry or I can do the best i can and hope for hm and make the best with my life until then.

 

[Guest]

college so how did you mask your bloody grafts after you had surgery? i see post-op pictures from hairlosshelp all teh time and did you ahve to use toppik or another concealer to hide it?

 

[HARM1]

ccs, could you post some pics?

 

[nervx]

This news is old and irrelevant, i didn't think it's worth mentioning trial plans until they start....

intercytex yes they are behind but they still could make their in house 2008 goal if they really wanted to, although 2009 looks more likely due to their delay track record. They will be doing testing both in the uk and us. The 20 people / 1cm area is only the starting point, they want to see the results on various dose amounts on smaller areas before trying to cover a full head. They don't want to screw these volunteers over after all. As phase II progresses the volunteer count and area covered will increase, there's no reason to have a panic attack yet.

Anyway, The Intercytex trials are supposedly going to be starting in the next few months, but one square centimeter of head hair proboably only will create 30 or so follicles if things go well

Safety dose tests grew more than twice that many hairs. Park your hair apocalypse train in the station, the sh*t hasn't hit the fan yet....


As for Aderans they've gone quiet for some time. No one knows whats going on with them although some say they are making good progress. We wont know for sure what's happening until they start talking to us again.

 

[CCS]

I really hope HM works. My big scar I discovered last night really scared me. I hope that does not mean my scalp is no longer lax. But it happened recently enough I think exercise it to blame.


Post pictures means getting some friends to help, and I'm not sure if I should advertise this any more.


As for the blood, I wore nothing. I pointed it out to everyone, and got compliments. Some people did not like the blood, but most like the change in hair line.

 

[mvpsoft]

I if we finally do see HM, the approach IMO will be to harvest a small amount of donor hairs, clone them in some medium, then transplant them back into the scalp in a fashion similar to the way a hair transplant is done now. The holy grail of growing them on the recipient's head is a long ways off, if we ever see it.

While HM/hair transplant wouldn't be ideal, it's still a big step forward from what we have now and eliminates the problems of donor site scarring and insufficient donor hair.

 

[Felk]

I if we finally do see HM, the approach IMO will be to harvest a small amount of donor hairs, clone them in some medium, then transplant them back into the scalp in a fashion similar to the way a hair transplant is done now. The holy grail of growing them on the recipient's head is a long ways off, if we ever see it.

While HM/hair transplant wouldn't be ideal, it's still a big step forward from what we have now and eliminates the problems of donor site scarring and insufficient donor hair.

I sincerely hope this isn't all that they achieve. Original density is impossible with a hair transplant

 

[htownballa]

Felk,

If you had unlimited donor hair via HM you could pretty much reach at least 70-80% of original density which is pretty damn good. I've heard that balding is unnoticeable until at least 50% density is gone anyways.

 

[michael barry]

mvsoft wrote:

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I if we finally do see HM, the approach IMO will be to harvest a small amount of donor hairs, clone them in some medium, then transplant them back into the scalp in a fashion similar to the way a hair transplant is done now. The holy grail of growing them on the recipient's head is a long ways off, if we ever see it.

While HM/hair transplant wouldn't be ideal, it's still a big step forward from what we have now and eliminates the problems of donor site scarring and insufficient donor hair.
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The latest Aderans release, written by Costarialis and Stenn mentions such a possiblilty in fact. Three dimensional scaffolds to grow the hair in and then implant.

My own old idea was to inject the stem cells in the thighs, and if they grow fairly well....................FUE'em out and put em' in the guys head. If not, laser em' away. Im impatient and wanna get the ball rolling on this stuff man.



If ICX does well on the 1 cm patch, I really imagine they will at least try a one inch patch before attempting the whole hog of a guys entire dome. Thats such a huge jump. The phase two is going to be a good year before we see conclusive results in all their maturity. Over here, a phase three would need to be performed.

I dont think I'd plunk down the 10-12K John Ohansein, Bosley's CEO and Intercytex's domestic liscencee', says it would cost based on one inch or a centimeter square of scalp. I wanna' see a'buncha hair on a bald guy first.

I'd like to be optomistic, but hell Ive been optomistic since I learned about Dolly the Cloned Sheep way back in 97' when I first thought, "If they can clone a hairy effin' sheep, they can clone a few square inches of hair for me.................surely in four or five more years". Its been almost a decade, and phase two is finally supposed to start by the end of the month. We will see.

 

[htownballa]

Mike,

Would you consider getting a hair transplant if HM doesnt work out in the next 10-15 years?

 

[michael barry]

If it doesnt work out by 2017, thats ten more years........................hell, I dont think it will work out at all. Investors would see the value of their stock fall through the floor and a cellular conversion type treatment that gets skin cells to change into hair cells would have probably made headway and would be in trials by then.

Also, a RU58841 type receptor blocking topcial or a genetic therapy that ends receptor expression in targeted tissue would seemingly surely at least be in trials by that time.



I think men need to be 35 before considering transplants. But if one did that....................Cole is a great surgeon. There are some other docs on Hairsite who are trying to push surgery forward despite the labor intesiveness of some of the newest procedures. The donor exchange idea is the only one I know of that would result in more hair on the head than what was there before the surgery (by putting body hair back in the back of the head where the Doctor took the FUE's from for the front). Cole and Poswal do that and I think Umar does too. Other docs like Jones in Toronto probably will be doing that. SO pricey though and Im just a NW3 with good density, so for myself...................who knows. Id research the f*** out of docs though before I'd jump into surgery and keep my families genetic history of baldness in mind big time. Youre doing the right thing by reading various hair loss oriented web sites. Pay attention to bald men that you see out in society and get a feel for how much hair you think you might need worst case scenario and learn how much it would cost, etc. Buzzin' it aint that bad, even if it is hard to believe that in this day and age that we cant "make" more hair yet. Frustrating aint' it?

 

[News2]

they have announced that they will only be testing 20 men over a ONE CENTIMETER SQUARE PATCH OF SCALP.
This is pathetic in my opinion.

I'm not surprised they're only testing it on a square centimeter patch of scalp. After all, this is only a trial. I mean: They're trying to find out what the optimal dosage is, right? Just imagine what would happen if the result was cosmetically unacceptable, or if a volunteer had an adverse reaction if the dosage was too high. They would have to be able to react to that, probably by cutting out the square centimetre of scalp. They wouldn't be able to do that if it was all over the scalp.
I don't think the fact that they're only trying it out on a small patch is bad news.