TSH alone won't tell you anything. You need full thyroid panel, like you've recommended. Finasteride gave me a problem with TSH and FT4; I had symptoms of hyperthyroidism, and the numbers didn't add up. The doctor asked if I was using levothyroxin - which I wasn't.
Stay away from finasteride PROPECIA PROSCAR.
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Timi
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finasteride is sooooo bad
Quit minoxidil and all see what makes the problems
i take 17Years finasteride and was happy and Healthy
3Years minoxidil and i running from Doctor to Doctor
Depression-tired Head-Sleepless Nights
Head pressure-dizzy
and 100% ED when i apply minoxidil
i had never a Problem with finasteride
i am sure all the Horror Stories from ED from finasteride
90% is minoxidil the problem!
under minoxidil i must take Betablocker my Libido was Zero
Timi
Quit minoxidil and all see what makes the problems
i take 17Years finasteride and was happy and Healthy
3Years minoxidil and i running from Doctor to Doctor
Depression-tired Head-Sleepless Nights
Head pressure-dizzy
and 100% ED when i apply minoxidil
i had never a Problem with finasteride
i am sure all the Horror Stories from ED from finasteride
90% is minoxidil the problem!
under minoxidil i must take Betablocker my Libido was Zero
Timi
Timi said:
Are you talking about Topical minoxidil like rogaine etc? I've never tried that stuff. I didn't think you would get side effects from a topical like that!?!? Im not going to touch that then either.
I'm a surrendered man. I dont care if i go bald. It's actually feels quite liberating. Im a man, im not pretty, i dont care how i look, i dont need to impress anybody. I dont give a sh*t what anyone thinks. Im a man, my hair falls out. So what. Im a man.
Timi said:
Timi said:
I don't understand your post? You were on finasteride for 17 years but you say it's "soooo bad"?
minoxidil does not cause sexual side effects. If you experience these while taking minoxidil, it's clear the symptoms are either in your head, or there is something else going on entirely. What did your doctor say about this?
Timi, please don't respond to wuffer's post. He is a troll;
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] In addition to the offending poster, the noun troll can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in "that was an excellent troll you posted". While the term troll and its associated action trolling are primarily associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels highly subjective, with trolling being used to describe intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, recent media accounts have used the term troll to describe "a person who defaces internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."
He is trying to provoke you into a negative emotional response. Ive just reported his post.
"Don't feed the trolls"
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] In addition to the offending poster, the noun troll can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in "that was an excellent troll you posted". While the term troll and its associated action trolling are primarily associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels highly subjective, with trolling being used to describe intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, recent media accounts have used the term troll to describe "a person who defaces internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."
He is trying to provoke you into a negative emotional response. Ive just reported his post.
"Don't feed the trolls"
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Timi
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Wuffer said:
No finasteride was good that was a Joke
minoxidil is the Problem for me
and minoxidil can make ED
Timi
Hairflow, how exactly was that post intended to invoke a negative response? I pointed out a very important fact, that minoxidil does not cause sexual side effects, but since he was still experiencing them, I am interested in hearing what his doctor thought.
It's really easy to write me off as a troll simply because you don't agree with me, but bothering the administrators by reporting my posts as trolling is counterproductive.
There is a huge difference between challenging a person's beliefs and constantly posting just to get a rise out of people.
If you don't agree with my posts, either respond and tell me why, or simply ignore them.
It's really easy to write me off as a troll simply because you don't agree with me, but bothering the administrators by reporting my posts as trolling is counterproductive.
There is a huge difference between challenging a person's beliefs and constantly posting just to get a rise out of people.
If you don't agree with my posts, either respond and tell me why, or simply ignore them.
Wuffer said:
Fact?
How do you know?
I agree this is rare, but if it has (we don't know for sure, obviously) caused ED or reduced libido or whatever in one case, then this clearly isn't a fact.
End of the day, minoxidil is a blood pressure medication. Blood flow/circulation is obviously linked with erections hence the benefit of PD50 inhibitors like Cialis. On that basis, its not completely out of the realms of possibility.
Conclusion: Stop stating things as facts, when you don't know, man.
How do I know? Because I’ve never seen a single study that concludes minoxidil causes sexual side effects in a placebo controlled study. I know you will say (again) that there is more to all this than placebo controlled studies, but there really isn't.
You put forth an interesting hypothesis: "minoxidil is a blood pressure medication. Blood flow/circulation is obviously linked with erections"
That's great, it's one of the first steps in the scientific method. However, my big problem is that people skip out the important steps (running a test, analyzing data, etc) and just draw a conclusion based on their hypothesis. That is junk science. It may make perfect sense, but it isn't fact until it's been tested. It shouldn't even be used as an argument until it's been tested.
We can all sit here and say there's always chance this caused that, so let’s focus on this being the cause, even though we have no science to back it up with. In Timi's unfortunate case, he is blaming minoxidil. We could say "well you never know, there's a chance it caused sexual problems, so that's probably what caused it. After all, nothing else could possibly cause sexual problems in a young man"
You put forth an interesting hypothesis: "minoxidil is a blood pressure medication. Blood flow/circulation is obviously linked with erections"
That's great, it's one of the first steps in the scientific method. However, my big problem is that people skip out the important steps (running a test, analyzing data, etc) and just draw a conclusion based on their hypothesis. That is junk science. It may make perfect sense, but it isn't fact until it's been tested. It shouldn't even be used as an argument until it's been tested.
We can all sit here and say there's always chance this caused that, so let’s focus on this being the cause, even though we have no science to back it up with. In Timi's unfortunate case, he is blaming minoxidil. We could say "well you never know, there's a chance it caused sexual problems, so that's probably what caused it. After all, nothing else could possibly cause sexual problems in a young man"
Wuffer said:
Sometimes it is what it is.
If (and i do say If) minoxidil did cause Timi ED or whatever, maybe he is was freak case. Hell, even a complete one off. Studies would have trouble show-casing that.
Stop living in science. Studies can only cover so much. Timi had crazy adverse reactions to minoxidil far beyond what "studies" would show.
Wuffer said:Well, I could choose to live in a world of 'freak cases' and 'one-off's' but I choose to live in a world of science. It's much nicer over here; you should try it some time!
But that's my point. You don't. Noone actually does.
You live your life. You live by how your body lets you. If you get sides from finasteride, you have them. Same with the minoxidil. Same with fairy liquid. If fairy liquid, for some reason, turns your hands permanently yellow, it doesn't really matter if the studies say it's impossible, does it? If it happens to you, it's happened to you.
Obviously you cant live with complete suspicion about every little thing. But you also can't live basing everything on a very limited knowledge pool (relatively speaking) that is modern medicine. Somewhere in the middle is the place where a wise man rests his head.
As Dr Crisler says, one of the things he has little hesitancy in saying is "I don't know" when he doesn't know the answer. That sums it up really. The grey areas in medicine are vast. For it to accomodate for every little factor in every individual case is plain unrealistic. Therefore....knowing these limitations, you need to maintain a very open mind allowing for the gap in knowledge (and resource) that currently exists.
Wuffer said:Well, I could choose to live in a world of 'freak cases' and 'one-off's' but I choose to live in a world of science. It's much nicer over here; you should try it some time!
i think is hard to concile two opposite position
each one is biased by personal experience
Science is not the truth
in XVI sec, for the science was the sun that went around earth
i choose to live in "W O science" too, but we have also a "common sense" that
sometimes is very helpful
the truth is often in the middle
Enden said:
And the fact that its usually backward engineered on people's real life experiences?
Science is BASED ON US. Due to this, it's generally going to be working behind schedule. Something happens to someone.....science tries to reconcile why this happend. It's largely reactive in this context.