Stemson is going to use minipigs in the next stage of their hair cloning research

[H]

I never said it would be marked down that significantly, someone else did. I don't think this procedure will cost anything close to 200k to start, they'd be pricing out 99.5% of the market. People are just throwing out 200k because Tsuji once randomly quoted 200-300k, but I think that would be because his chosen clinics would be the only one to offer it globally. For Stemson, if they go the mass commercialization route, I'm sure they'd be trying to get it as many places as possible because they would make money on a per usage basis through royalties.

I think the procedure will cost something like a moderately cheaper FUE, because it's essentially half of the same process (no extraction just implantation). Maybe 2/3$ a scaffold/graft? Maybe you end up paying 60k~ for 20-30k new follicles? Maybe this starts on the higher end of 5$+ per follicle unit to start?

Just a random estimate, but I don't see the use of using the hair transplant market as a a comparable to benchmark potential revenue (like they did) if you wouldn't be targeting a comparable price point. Their target demographic is younger people, also.

Thats sounds reasonable thank you for clearing that up. I wasnt trying words in your mouth I know you didnt mention genetic sequencing I just have heard that damn argument so many times it always pops in my mind I guess. How do we know their target demographic?

 

[trialAcc]

Thats sounds reasonable thank you for clearing that up. I wasnt trying words in your mouth I know you didnt mention genetic sequencing I just have heard that damn argument so many times it always pops in my mind I guess. How do we know their target demographic?

They go over it in the investment video with Fortunis. They reference the hair transplant market and that Wayne Wooney spent 40k pounds on his hair transplant.

 

[pegasus2]

one important question is - will this procedurę be cancerous....

Yes ofc. They wouldn't be taking it to human trials if it wasn't cancerous.

 

[Fontaine]

Yes ofc. They wouldn't be taking it to human trials if it wasn't cancerous.

Bloody hope it's cancerous take me out of my f*****g misery

 

[Pls_NW-1]

you never know. This is a relatively new process. It is considered risky

I am pretty sure pegasus2 was joking there buddy. XD

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Alexey backed this already up, it wont be.

Have a nice day, it's sunny.

 

[trialAcc]

you never know, there was no human trials yet so how can he be sure about it?

So if you don't trust the lead scientists word for it, why are you asking the question in here?

 

[pegasus2]

you exhibit "nameless" vibes. I hope you are not him...

It's an obvious question. Is there someone in here who would know more about that than Alexey?

 

[trialAcc]

you exhibit "nameless" vibes. I hope you are not him...

I don't know what this means, but I assure you I'm not him.

 

[werefckd]

With the Stemson treatment, a priori cancer is not a concern

The reason is that, if you pay attention to what they are doing, you will realize they aren't putting any iPSCs into anybodies head

 

[MaestroTR]

what does stemson do differently than tsuji?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Good.

Lmao that dude disliked your post. Be careful of who u talk...

 

[Mighty]

You don't need the treatment itself to cause cancer. You just need one pacient to have cancer in his scalp. If he blames the cloned hair, independently if it is the treatment fault or not, the commercialization could be halted until every major health regulatory agency on Earth decides the treatment is safe. Add many months/years of delay on this joke.

Now, if a single cloned hair on anyone's head actually decides to turn cancerous... Hehe

 

[werefckd]

Hair doesn't turn into cancer. There is no known mechanism for that.

Watch Terskiskh's interview from Oct 2020. According to them, the worst case scenario is if the hair follicle germs don't turn into actually hair follicles (or that they turn into hair follicles but later "undifferentiate" and stop producing hairs) and become ordinary skin cells.

Again, there won't be any multiplication/cloning going on in the scalp. That part is happening in the lab only. Once you get a hair follicle germ from the factory then the multiplication/cloning part is over.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

You don't need the treatment itself to cause cancer. You just need one pacient to have cancer in his scalp. If he blames the cloned hair, independently if it is the treatment fault or not, the commercialization could be halted until every major health regulatory agency on Earth decides the treatment is safe. Add many months/years of delay on this joke.

Now, if a single cloned hair on anyone's head actually decides to turn cancerous... Hehe

Eh. I don’t think that it works like that lol.

It has to be backed up if the treatment is the REAL cause or if it even had a supportive role for the cancer to occur.

Finasteride is the best example for such cases, the treatments/prodecure's side effect's and within that people's (psychosomatic) opinion, such as the PFS lol.

Yet, Finasteride is a praised medication and all over the market lol

 

[FilthyFrancis]

Yet, Finasteride is a praised medication and all over the market lol

"Praised"? This is a plain lie.

I mean, it's praised among people who take the medication and want to cope/reassure themselves.

It's far from being praised from most Western countries as most of them issued public warnings.

I challenge you to find any endocrinologist who will tell you the risk/reward benefit of Finasteride is positive.

I am saying this as a guy who's taking topical dutasteride. You got to be aware of the poison you take.

 

[werefckd]

so simply hair may fall out after one cycle?

Yea

Or if the dermal papilla and epithelial cells contained in the hair follicle germ (sticked together with the help of the biodegradable scaffold - aka the "lolli-up") become ordinary skin scalp cells and never interact to form an actual hair follicle onto it in the first place.

 

[werefckd]

what does stemson do differently than tsuji?

Their end product is similar

Both aim to build a follicle germ with mainly dermal papilla and epithelial cells that hopefully will become a normal and healthy hair follicle once implanted in the scalp.

Where they differ is in the strategies being used to source and multiply those cells

Those strategies can have a big impact later on on the multiplied DP and EP cells abilities' to maintain their hair generating properties throughout their lifetime

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Their end product is similar

Both aim to build a follicle germ with mainly dermal papilla and epithelial cells that hopefully will become a normal and healthy hair follicle once implanted in the scalp.

Where they differ is in the strategies being used to source and multiply those cells

Those strategies can have a big impact later on on the multiplied DP and EP cells abilities' to maintain their hair generating properties throughout their lifetime

Well, I know plenty of people saying that Tsuji's hair is differently to the Stemson one, in a positive manner, + that the Tsuji one is Androgenetic Alopecia resistant, while the one by Stemson is not.

Hm

 

[trialAcc]

stemson is nor dht resistant? how do You know that????

He doesn't.