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Someone once told me life is a flaaat circle... and every lotion we’ve ever bought we’re gonna buy again and again.
Stop Torturing Yourself: There Wont Be Any Cure In Your Lifetime
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f*** off, dude. there is a difference between being hopeful about a cure with no trials in late phases happening, and being hopeful when there are a bunch of legitimate trials taking place that will give us practically a cure.
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You're answering a question with a question. Also don't know what was with the rant, although for what it's worth you're way off the mark.
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Well, I guess no treatment for him.
Well, I guess no treatment for him.
I'll still be on finasteride and minoxidil. Pretty obvious answer.
My question is far more interesting. Your turn
To each their own, but I have to be honest.
I just don't see how it's worth it. I know it's about you and not me, but if I was in your situation, I couldn't be happy with that. Still a bald guy, really.
Millions of men have used finasteride for hair loss. This is a statistically significant population, and a commercial success (for Merck until it became a generic). All FDA-approved medicine is a commercial success, the pharmaceutical industry in the US guarantees this. The cost of manufacturing a drug especially once R&D is completed for an entirely different illness (enlarged prostate) is very low.
It's of scientific interest, but for hair loss, yes, it is just a transplant -- maybe a more viable transplant -- but a transplant nonetheless. Lots can go wrong in surgery, it's extremely costly and time intensive, and only a few surgeons in the world manage to do a good job most of the time. Still a shitty option.
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What are the other options do you propose to restore to a full head of hair for anyone?
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I think hes saying Tsuji is the shitty option
No it isn't. I don't give enough of a sh*t to find and link to the studies once again (as I have many times on these forums) but the numbers do in fact consistently show that, especially among the millennial generation, most men have not even so much as heard of it. Consider that in 2002, American men only spent about 225 million between Rogaine and Propecia including "private label" variants! Adjusted for inflation, that's only about 308 million at a time when Propecia was only ~4 years on the market. There is just no way that "millions" of men, amounting to a "statistically significant" number, took Propecia even back in the day when 40 Million men in the USA suffering from male pattern baldness causes the drug to chart less than 200 million dollars.
Finasteride and Minoxidil have worked out well for me, but the fact remains they are largely sh*t and something better is needed. You can screech about it all you like, but the fact is, they have not been huge successes.
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Propecia is unheard of in other countries and many of them blatantly forbid its use. Because somehow tampering with neurosteroids and feminizing a young adult with a medication that he needs to be taking FOR LIFE is risky and dumb. Ten years from now none of you will be taking this sh*t, guaranteed. The question is, what kind of damage has this drug left on its path.
Further, from what a prescription of generic finasteride costs me in a year, and if we assumed it's roughly the same price across the board, even if Propecia sales made up 100% of those figures from 2002, that'd be roughly half-a-million people.
So, from both generic and brand sales of the drug, we can deduce that (closer to the time it came out) fewer than 500,000 American men were taking the drug for hairloss. There is simply no way that MORE men are taking it now. It is likely that in your country, only a few hundred-thousand men have even heard of it at best.
This whole thing is guys like Dolph trying to make a cope argument that "We don't need a cure anyway because there's finasteride and it's massively successful because millions use it!"
Except that the claim is simply horseshit.
So, from both generic and brand sales of the drug, we can deduce that (closer to the time it came out) fewer than 500,000 American men were taking the drug for hairloss. There is simply no way that MORE men are taking it now. It is likely that in your country, only a few hundred-thousand men have even heard of it at best.
This whole thing is guys like Dolph trying to make a cope argument that "We don't need a cure anyway because there's finasteride and it's massively successful because millions use it!"
Except that the claim is simply horseshit.
I dont think anyone would argue we dont need anything better because we have finasteride. When will we actually get it? Not in the next year that is for sure. Until this day comes finasteride is still your best option.
Many men have used finasteride for 10+ years so obviously whatever neurosteroids and hormones it changes are not that important in most ways people notice. Hell some men have been on finasteride for 20 years at this point. In another 5 its pretty safe to say finasteride doesnt have any major sides for most men that use it long term.
No one starting finasteride today would even be on it for more than 5 anyways. The official study was for 5 years! Certainly is safe for that length of time
Anyways I dont know why I always jump to defend finasteride. This debate has been done to death, but I was going to start finasteride soon despite many people that tell you dont do it. Even in real life I have others saying its not a good idea. Great, what is the alternative?
Many men have used finasteride for 10+ years so obviously whatever neurosteroids and hormones it changes are not that important in most ways people notice. Hell some men have been on finasteride for 20 years at this point. In another 5 its pretty safe to say finasteride doesnt have any major sides for most men that use it long term.
No one starting finasteride today would even be on it for more than 5 anyways. The official study was for 5 years! Certainly is safe for that length of time
Anyways I dont know why I always jump to defend finasteride. This debate has been done to death, but I was going to start finasteride soon despite many people that tell you dont do it. Even in real life I have others saying its not a good idea. Great, what is the alternative?
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of course on top of the scalp it should look way better but why didnt you fix the temple recessions? surely because you fear unnatural looking result ?
As long as you don't touch the temple points and you keep a high enough hairline smp often look fine (obv if done by a professionnal / experienced staff).
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There is no option. It's possible Tsuji will succeed and be able to provide the follicles, but that doesn't solve the problems that plague hair transplants: they can look awful, not all donor follicles survive, some people are poor candidates for surgery, the cost is massive, multiple surgeries are needed for large transplants regardless of available donor hair, and skilled surgeons are in short supply. Even the best surgeons -- Erdogan, Shapiro, H&W -- f*** up from time to time, and encounter patients who just don't respond well to surgery. Multiplying the number of available follicles doesn't make these problems magically go away, or speed up recovery time between surgeries, or lower the cost, or make it any less risky. Just like the move from hair plugs to FUT, and FUT to FUE, we're just making an incremental improvement here. It's not a cure.
Hims just raised a $90MM series B led by IVP. IVP does not throw that kind of money at companies without serious growth and/or revenue. Keep up with the times, That Guy.
I didn't say that, you just did. We absolutely need a cure. Finasteride's side effect profile is unacceptable. For most people whose balding starts after 2022, the cure is hopefully called Breezula. For those of us whose balding has started already, the future is far less certain.
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Fair enough. What will I do if it succeeds? I'll rejoice, of course. I'm no masochist, I want any new potential treatments on the horizon to be the real deal. Who doesn't? And for the second part of your question, I have many other flaws apart from hair loss.
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How would you personally go about fixing these issues?