The reason why some guys start going bald super early and how environment plays a role

[Caillou]

So here's the thing. I'm 100% confident that baldness is genetic, no doubt in me that it is, but i'm also 200% confident that epigenetics plays a huge role when it comes to how this gene gets expressed or activated. I'm also aware that some guys with ultra bad hair genes like Wayne Rooney will go bald at an early age no matter what since they have extremely shitty family history for balding. I'm mostly talking about guys with normal to good family history when it comes to hair who started balding early for some reason


I started smoking heavily when i was 15-16. Pretty much smoked consistently, and at the same age i had my first signs of hair loss. Keep in mind that i come from 2 families with only 2 bald guys who were balding in their 30's and 40's, the rest have zero hair loss no matter how old they're. I started balding at 16, coincidentally during the same time i started smoking almost daily. Not saying smoking is the only thing that kickstarts balding, but it's one of the worst things you can do if you have the gene


Want more evidence? Okay, I'm 21 years old now, i know 3 groups of guys that i'm in touch with who're also the same age as me. I will tell you about their hair status to deliver my point better


The first group has around 5 guys, all of them are smokers, three are heavily balding and two fullheads. The balding guys have excellent family history for good hair - aka balding is rare and hits late in life. Still, two of them are extremely diffuse on top - one is almost fully bald, and one is around thinning NW3 with rapid, aggressive hair loss. Keep in mind that i'm talking about 21 years old guys


The second group has around 4 guys, all of them are smokers. Two of them have diffuse thinning, one has mild baldness - he doesn't smoke much really, and one is a fullhead. Same as group one, they have a fairly good family history when it comes to hair, still balding hard at 21


The third group has around 6 guys, none of them are smokers - they're goodie nerds if you know what i mean. And you know what? NONE of them have ANY hair loss. Pretty much all of them are NW0-NW1 with top tier density


Coincidence? Might be, don't think so myself. I really believe that baldness can be triggered due to environmental causes. It's genetic sure, but as i said, environment plays a huge role as well. It's like height, height is genetic, but poor nutrition might stunt your growth early and prevent you from reaching your predisposed genetical height



So yeah, if you're a freak who started going bald in his teens or early 20's, it might not all be the Norwood Reaper's fault, and you most likely fucked up at some point

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

So here's the thing. I'm 100% confident that baldness is genetic, no doubt in me that it is, but i'm also 200% confident that epigenetics plays a huge role when it comes to how this gene gets expressed or activated


I started smoking heavily when i was 15-16. Pretty much smoked consistently, and at the same age i had my first signs of hair loss. Keep in mind that i come from 2 families with only 2 bald guys who were balding in their 30's and 40's, the rest have zero hair loss no matter how old they're. I started balding at 16, coincidentally during the same time i started smoking almost daily. Not saying smoking is the only thing that kickstarts balding, but it's one of the worst things you can do if you have the gene


Want more evidence? Okay, I'm 21 years old now, i know 3 groups of guys that i'm in touch with who're also the same age as me. I will tell you about their hair status to deliver my point better


The first group has around 5 guys, all of them are smokers, three are heavily balding and two fullheads. The balding guys have excellent family history for good hair - aka balding is rare and hits late in life. Still, two of them are extremely diffuse on top - one is almost fully bald, and one is around thinning NW3 with rapid, aggressive hair loss. Keep in mind that i'm talking about 21 years old guys


The second group has around 4 guys, all of them are smokers. Two of them have diffuse thinning, one has mild baldness - he doesn't smoke much really, and one is a fullhead. Same as group one, they have a fairly good family history when it comes to hair, still balding hard at 21


The third group has around 6 guys, none of them are smokers - they're goodie nerds if you know what i mean. And you know what? NONE of them have ANY hair loss. Pretty much all of them are NW0-NW1 with top tier density


Coincidence? Might be, don't think so myself. I really believe that baldness can be triggered due to environmental causes. It's genetic sure, but as i said, environment plays a huge role as well. It's like height, height is genetic, but poor nutrition might stunt your growth early and prevent you from reaching your predisposed genetical height



So yeah, if you're a freak who started going bald in his teens or early 20's, it might not all be the Norwood Reaper's fault, and you most likely fucked up at some point

Yeah we see a plague of super early balding guys, Idk what sh*t is in our food. Since I ditched nicotine my hair seem to stopped thinning lmao, the druggie rat I know was headed for NW5 at 16 so I think he doomed himself to such fate. From what I heard, balding in your teens was extremely uncommon in 1950s for example

 

[Feelsbadman]

Interesting point would be pretty cool if they actually did some kind of scientific on this, maybe these environment factors some how changed DHT sensitive in the scalp some how?
Good tread though interesting read

 

[Diffused_confidence]

Environment can speed it up but genetics are most important. The reason men are losing hair earlier is because balding is a dominant trait. It only takes 1 parent to pass down balding and every generation is going to pass down more of this deformity. Eventually, most men will be norwood 4 by 21.

 

[Caillou]

Yeah we see a plague of super early balding guys, Idk what sh*t is in our food. Since I ditched nicotine my hair seem to stopped thinning lmao, the druggie rat I know was headed for NW5 at 16 so I think he doomed himself to such fate. From what I heard, balding in your teens was extremely uncommon in 1950s for example

I think it's a mixture of nicotine, drugs, excessive p**rn and masturbation, and maybe the hormones in our food and water. It'd not be farfetched to assume that such extreme lifestyle could change your genetic expression through epigenetics. We just don't know the details, like how much effect does environment really have, and what is the ideal environment to keep the balding gene at bay for as long as possible

 

[Caillou]

Environment can speed it up but genetics are most important. The reason men are losing hair earlier is because balding is a dominant trait. It only takes 1 parent to pass down balding and every generation is going to pass down more of this deformity. Eventually, most men will be norwood 4 by 21.

Yeah environment can certainly accelerate hair loss, but i don't think that baldness being dominant is the only reason why so many young men are suffering from hair loss nowadays. Baldness has been around for thousands of years after all. Also the problem about this isn't baldness itself, it's when you start going bald. It's honestly not rare at all to see hordes of aggressively balding early 20's yo men nowadays, which is weird as f*** compared to how it was for the majority of human history


As i said in my previous comment, we're the only generation that abuses nicotine, drugs, excessive p**rn and masturbation, roids, we have hormones in our food and water, we're stressed out beyond belief, etc

 

[We Move]

My friend blamed his hairloss (and teeth decay) on smoking a few years back in a rant about how much smoking ages you.

I've only just started to notice a loss of density in my 30's & do wonder if not ever touching a drug or cigarette helped delay the inevitable, especially considering my Dad & his male siblings were all wayyyyy worse off by my age. My brother is 36 & hasn't lost any hair whatsoever, still basically a Norwood 0.5 ( as am I).

Strangely, some guys even seem to have their hair loss triggered by moving house. Environment could be a way bigger factor than we realise.

 

[INT]

I started reading game of thrones when I started thinning. Must be a correlation.

 

[Catagen]

Yeah environment can certainly accelerate hair loss, but i don't think that baldness being dominant is the only reason why so many young men are suffering from hair loss nowadays. Baldness has been around for thousands of years after all. Also the problem about this isn't baldness itself, it's when you start going bald. It's honestly not rare at all to see hordes of aggressively balding early 20's yo men nowadays, which is weird as f*** compared to how it was for the majority of human history


As i said in my previous comment, we're the only generation that abuses nicotine, drugs, excessive p**rn and masturbation, roids, we have hormones in our food and water, we're stressed out beyond belief, etc

Smoking has been shown to have a negative effect on the whole body so hair loss is not far fetched.

Stressed? Do you have deadly stress every week? I dont think so. Having a bit of stress when you are behind in your work or something is harmless. However you know that stress when someone dies or you experience a car accident or you injure yourself really badly or you see someone else get injured really badly, yeah that type of stress might cause hair loss. Not everyone will lose hair from that.

Now the question is do we actually appear to see "hordes of balding young men" or due to internet everyone is interconnected so we become much more exposed to more such cases. Basically its an illusion caused by the internet.
"It's honestly not rare at all to see hordes of aggressively balding early 20's yo men nowadays"
Go to a uni campus and 4/5 men of such age will be NW1. Go downtown in the evening most young men are NW1.
Meanwhile if hair loss is discussed on the internet of course the discussion is going to be lead by balding men. What you think your average NW1 young guy is going to use energy to talk about hair loss, let alone participate in the internet discussion.
And also on the internet everyone is from all around the world where internet is available and not concentrated to a specific area.

But roids are like the textbook cause of hair loss but an extreme minority of young men use them.
Hormones in food? Like estrogens? You know that trannies who inject E2 have amazing hair and significant hair loss reversal if they have it.
p**rn and masturbation might be related to the current prolactin approach but the issue is that masturbation is a temporary thing which usually lasts few minutes and is done like few times a month, unless you are an addict which does it multiple times per day. Then it seems viable that it might cause those temporary effects more often. But most people dont jack off multiple times per day or go pass 2 times per week even.
Also if masturbation and p**rn is bad due to elevated prolactin and androgens? Isnt sex like much worse since it is more vivid and more such hormones are released. Something doesnt add up.

Now there is an unproven sh*t genetics come in a sh*t package theory. Why are there supposedly more young bald men? Well the assumption is that on average(an this is crucial because there are outliers) such men have worse genetics overall and they are supposed to die when they are infants(on average). So due to improvements in medicine like antibiotics, vaccines, smarter parents(on average) etc. And the genes which make you weaker in general might be intertwined with genes which are crucial in the development of the body and the physiology of hair loss. Weaker genetics are allowed to survive and potentially propagate. Now keep in mind there is no evidence for this, it just makes sense. But not all things which make sense are remotely true.

 

[Timii]

How do you explain the fact that past generations smoked more , yet on average went bald later in life than people nowadays?

 

[justinbieberscombover]

Pseudo science

 

[BurningCoals]

I saw an article a while back on the fear of baldness, and there were quotes from people in the early 1900s claiming that balding is more common then than before.

There are also historical figures whom have had hair loss at a younger age, like Vladimir Lenin, John Wilkes Booth, Charles Darwin, Caligula and Otto von Bismarck. I think the perception that it is more common comes from that there almost 8 billion people nowadays, which makes the total number of people with premature balding more visible, and thus makes it look like there are proportionally more.

It's like when you become aware of a new name, or an actor, or just simple word for the first time. You never noticed it or them before, but now you see it everywhere, doesn't mean that it suddenly became more common.

 

[Catagen]

I saw an article a while back on the fear of baldness, and there were quotes from people in the early 1900s claiming that balding is more common then than before.

There are also historical figures whom have had hair loss at a younger age, like Vladimir Lenin, John Wilkes Booth, Charles Darwin, Caligula and Otto von Bismarck. I think the perception that it is more common comes from that there almost 8 billion people nowadays, which makes the total number of people with premature balding more visible, and thus makes it look like there are proportionally more.

It's like when you become aware of a new name, or an actor, or just simple word for the first time. You never noticed it or them before, but now you see it everywhere, doesn't mean that it suddenly became more common.

Can you post the article?

 

[BurningCoals]

Can you post the article?

I think it was this one:

Dollar Shave Club | Welcome to the Club! Let’s Get Shaving

At Dollar Shave Club, you'll get all your favorite grooming and shaving products automatically delivered to your door. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

www.dollarshaveclub.com

Although it was more like late 1800s, not early 1900s

 

[BurningCoals]

I think it was this one:

Dollar Shave Club | Welcome to the Club! Let’s Get Shaving

At Dollar Shave Club, you'll get all your favorite grooming and shaving products automatically delivered to your door. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

www.dollarshaveclub.com

Although it was more like late 1800s, not early 1900s

The articles of the era testify to the growing panic. “One-half of our American business and professional men are bald at the present time,” declared the journal Science in 1886, adding that it was only a matter of time before we became “a race of hairless Americans.” The North American Review proclaimed that, unless tendencies changed, we would have “skins as bare all over as the palms of our hands!”

lol

 

[Caillou]

Now the question is do we actually appear to see "hordes of balding young men" or due to internet everyone is interconnected so we become much more exposed to more such cases. Basically its an illusion caused by the internet.

Dude can you read my OP at least? I already explained why young men going bald is so common nowadays because i personally know a sh*t ton in real life, nothing to do with the internet

 

[Caillou]

How do you explain the fact that past generations smoked more , yet on average went bald later in life than people nowadays?

I don't think the past generations started smoking as teenagers

 

[Caillou]

There are also historical figures whom have had hair loss at a younger age, like Vladimir Lenin, John Wilkes Booth, Charles Darwin, Caligula and Otto von Bismarck

How early are we speaking? Maybe their "early" hair loss was hair loss in their 30's, not in their teenage years

 

[Caillou]

Now there is an unproven sh*t genetics come in a sh*t package theory. Why are there supposedly more young bald men? Well the assumption is that on average(an this is crucial because there are outliers) such men have worse genetics overall and they are supposed to die when they are infants(on average).

I don't believe this theory. I was extremely healthy as a kid and still i'm. My immune system was so strong that i recovered from Malaria -which is known as a death sentence, in only two weeks as a kid. The guys i know who are balding are strong are healthy as f*** with zero health issues whatsoever except one of them

 

[ImKaratekid]

without refering to whether smoking has something to do with hairloss, which of course your anecdotal examples prove nothing, but maybe there is true in it. why you even think that today men balding earlier than past? do you have any stats that support it?
today, balding in your teens is really rare, I dont know where you see otherwise. balding in your 20s is indeed very common, yes, but you have no idea how common it was in the past, you just assuming.
And even if you will show any correlation between baldness and consuming drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, p*rn, roid etc - although Im strongly against those degenerate things - you will need to prove that the causation isnt inverted - makes sense that guys that lose their hair will tend to develop those shitty habits. The last thing you want is people connect hairloss to those bad habits, they will see you as weak f*ck in addition to being bald f*ck.