The reason why some guys start going bald super early and how environment plays a role

[Wisemiller]

I don't think the past generations started smoking as teenagers

lol past generations were smoking at 12/13 years old. In the 1950s, 60% of men were smokers. As of 2019 it was 14%. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htm

Our coca cola used to have cocaine and baby cribs had lead paint. Balding is not environmental.

There are two reasons men are balding younger:
1. The gene gets stronger every time it is passed down.
2. You are the first of your lineage, since the dawn of man, to have the luxury of private access to infinite naked babes when you are 12 years old

 

[BurningCoals]

How early are we speaking? Maybe their "early" hair loss was hair loss in their 30's, not in their teenage years

Lenin at age 25:

Booth age 26:

Darwin somewhere in his 20s:

Bismarck at 32 (which may not be considered "premature" but if his hair loss is already like this it likely started in his mid- or late 20s):

Caligula was 28 when he died, but he was already balding at the crown by then, and even had the death penalty if someone where to look on his head from the top.

So yeah none of them where bald or severely balding in their teens, but having significant or severe hair loss in 20s is rather premature too.

Also worth mentioning is that Patrick Stewart went bald at 19, which would have happened in the late 1950s.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

No sh*t there were bald people in the past. But there are well documented correlations between a modern lifestyle and baldness. Baldness in Japan was virtually nonexistant in Japan before they ramped up industrialization in the second half of 19th century. Now they are East Asia's most balding nation.

The same phenomena has been documented by Chinese doctors. Premature baldness is also nonexistant among hunter and gatherer tribes of today.

 

[BurningCoals]

Premature baldness is also nonexistant among hunter and gatherer tribes of today

Couldn’t that be explained by those tribes just not having the genes for male pattern baldness? Amerindians for instance don’t have the genes for it, so the hunter gatherer tribes in present day South America for example just won’t develop it, especially since they don’t really have any outside influence on their genes.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Couldn’t that be explained by those tribes just not having the genes for male pattern baldness? Amerindians for instance don’t have the genes for it, so the hunter gatherer tribes in present day South America for example just won’t develop it, especially since they don’t really have any outside influence on their genes.

Well of course that could be an explanation. But I don't think it's a very likely one. There's vast geographical and genetic distance between tribals of Papua New Guinea and South America.

And even in the very unlikely case that they shared the trait of not having a balding gene, that might very well indicate that their lack of baldness is still connected to their archaic lifestyle, as in a hunter gatherer lifestyle actively selecting against the emergence of a balding gene.

But I think it's far more likely to be something epigenetic than some mere lack or existance of a gene. Considering how the development unfolded in Japan and China, these are some pretty good case studies.

 

[BurningCoals]

Well of course that could be an explanation. But I don't think it's a very likely one. There's vast geographical and genetic distance between tribals of Papua New Guinea and South America.

And even in the very unlikely case that they shared the trait of not having a balding gene, that might very well indicate that their lack of baldness is still connected to their archaic lifestyle, as in a hunter gatherer lifestyle actively selecting against the emergence of a balding gene.

But I think it's far more likely to be something epigenetic than some mere lack or existance of a gene. Considering how the development unfolded in Japan and China, these are some pretty good case studies.

Well it's not that unlikely that they share the trait of not having male pattern baldness imo, both groups arrived to their continents/territories many thousands of years ago, so male pattern baldness might just not have developed yet or it just hadn't spread to the rest of the world from wherever it came from by the time they became isolated from the rest of the world.

Although then again Sub-Saharan Africans do have male pattern baldness despite humankind originating in Africa, so that's kind of an contradiction. The notes about China and Japan are also interesting. I think the jury is still out on this one, we need more and better research.

 

[Caillou]

2. You are the first of your lineage, since the dawn of man, to have the luxury of private access to infinite naked babes when you are 12 years old

I think that's a shitty cope that modern men use in order to keep themselves from going insane. Watching your cuckold p**rn behind a screen and jerking off to it cannot be considered a "luxury" when men in the past could get their dicks wet from the moment they hit puberty with many hot women as hypergamy was reversed to favor men back then


If anything, they should be the ones who feel sorry for us and what we have to go through

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think that's a shitty cope that modern men use in order to keep themselves from going insane. Watching your cuckold p**rn behind a screen and jerking off to it cannot be considered a "luxury" when men in the past could get their dicks wet from the moment they hit puberty with many hot women as hypergamy was reversed to favor men back then


If anything, they should be the ones who feel sorry for us and what we have to go through

Hypergamy. Impressive vocab. Everyone seemed to like boys in the days of yore....

 

[Diffused_confidence]

I think that's a shitty cope that modern men use in order to keep themselves from going insane. Watching your cuckold p**rn behind a screen and jerking off to it cannot be considered a "luxury" when men in the past could get their dicks wet from the moment they hit puberty with many hot women as hypergamy was reversed to favor men back then


If anything, they should be the ones who feel sorry for us and what we have to go through

It didn't favor men back then. It just didn't eliminate most men.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

It didn't favor men back then. It just didn't eliminate most men.

Men were decimated over and over in war. Women stayed home and hoped for a win to prevent rape and forced marriage and the like. WWI was the worst conflict for men ever. Few heroes, no generals of acclaim, only idiots who thought you could sneak through machine gun fire and wire. It makes me ill that women were home eating crumpets and drinking tea while 16 year old boys with hair were dying in war. Send the bald guys to the fronts. They are like eh, maybe glory will make up for being bald....

Anyone who thinks men have ruled the world like the old-line feminists, which have mostly died out in their air conditioned offices while most men are out sweating in 100 degree heat. I never hear women complain about being women and having no opportunities anymore cause it's not true for anyone under 60. Law school classes in the 90's and even 80's were 1:1 ratios. I have never had glasses that weren't half girls/women even getting my MBA. Or even classes. My glasses were always full of females....