The Woman-hating Seems To Have Been Dialled Down A Notch Here, And That's A Good Thing

[tjnpdx]

No women for us. Just fantasizing to all those treatments that are coming out super soon like

 

[JeanLucBB]

Uh, there is pretty strong evidence that environment is a big factor in shaping IQ, buddy boy. And research on genes or clusters of genes found to impact IQ can be carried out independently of the race of the subjects.

"Uh, there is pretty strong evidence that environment is a big factor in shaping IQ, buddy boy. "

Of course, but it doesn't entirely iron out racial discrepancies from second and third generation immigrants in Western nations.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Here's the deal. When I see a plausible mechanism, at the gene level, for creating inter-group differences in IQ, I'll fully concede this debate. I haven't seen one. It's all inference and inkblot-level sh*t; if you start off thinking black people and pakis are subhumans you think it's all genes, if you're a latte-sipping dreadlocked trustafarian you think the tests are racist or something stupid like that.

Reality is probably that it's a mix of the factors, and the weighting of the genetic factor is probably around 30-50%.

Yes, but some like the aboriginals at the bottom of the scale are a huge social drain and as a group are significantly impaired to function in a Western society. The front end of their IQ bell curve is barely hanging off the back of a Jews.

 

[Rudiger]

It's surprising when you hear fellow hair loss sufferers say bald piece of crap, thinner than pubes, hairline begins at his ears haha, potato cuck.

lololol was that entirely necessary hahahaha

 

[tjnpdx]

Here's the deal. When I see a plausible mechanism, at the gene level, for creating inter-group differences in IQ, I'll fully concede this debate. I haven't seen one. It's all inference and inkblot-level sh*t; if you start off thinking black people and pakis are subhumans you think it's all genes, if you're a latte-sipping dreadlocked trustafarian you think the tests are racist or something stupid like that.

Reality is probably that it's a mix of the factors, and the weighting of the genetic factor is probably around 30-50%.

It's probably ~70% genetic. It's depressing, but it's the truth. Just remember there are more differences in groups than between them.

 

[Rudiger]

I've already discussed with Fred weeks ago so it's nothing new. This comment was more to highlight to everyone what's happening in the community. We always talk about people really keeping their un PC thoughts to themselves or friends. Classic example of how society really is. It's all looks.

I know but I just found it hilarious. I can't remember what show it was, I don't think it was the Simpsons, but it was in front of the kid getting bullied:

"You kids have gone too far, calling him piggy, flab belly, sir oinks-a-lot, .." etc and the kid just standing there re-living it.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Their case is interesting but have their ever integrated into Australia or been given a fair opportunity? Now that's one group that is discriminated against unlike arab/black minorities in Europe according to human rights watch. Pretty sad as they are indigenous. Aboriginals die like 10 years before other Australians and are much more likely to commit suicide. I heard they still live in their own areas with limited assistance from the state and have serious alcohol issues. They don't have a voice in parliament. How would they be if they were treated fairly? I really don't know but much better I'm guessing.

One of the issues is that we have term "stolen generation" for aboriginal kids that were taken away from aboriginal parents between the 30s-70sish and put up in orphanages or for adoption which of course is looked back on as a national moral mistake at this point. So we're left with a situation now where authorities are afraid to step in with kids who are being abused in communities outside the major cities and even within them because people are afraid of the connotations with this prior issue that is for the most part universally recognised as a mistake. Makes it severely difficult for greater education to reach their community and lift them out of poverty when their parents are free to abuse them or inhibit them from attending school (which is a government requirement that must be fulfilled by all except indigenous peoples).

They regularly ask to be treated under their own legal system rather than ours to avoid criminal charges for violence, robbery or substance abuse and many want this dual legal system to be recognised under the constitution, however of course when it comes to government handouts to their communities or unemployment benefits the hand is always out to embrace our system. Almost all employment and education institution offer special employment favours to aboriginals which are encouraged financially with grants by government which are enforced by legislation, so most job applications require ticking a box which says whether you are aboriginal so they can legally discriminate against those who are not aboriginal or Torres straight islander. The assistance they receive often is spent on drugs or alcohol and when the government opts for alternate solutions like cashless debit cards that can't be spent on drugs there are huge cries of discrimination and racism.

None of their problems are those they are created under our law, in fact the law discriminates at every corner in favour of aboriginals (which creates an incentive problem in itself). The problems in my opinion are largely the result of education and raising of children + IQ. Unfortunately when authorities aren't prepared to take away abused indigenous kids with alcoholic parents or enforce legal penalties for indigenous parents who don't send their kids to school you have a massive cyclical problem that is unlikely to improve. The fact that they have so many means of scholarship and easy ways into employment massively decreases incentive for them to compete on an even playing field as well.

The problem isn't going to get better until they are encouraged to take responsibility for themselves and in particular their children under the same circumstances as everyone else.

 

[JeanLucBB]

So the thing is, seeing as there are plausible mechanisms for increasing the population's IQ through intervention and cultural shifts, I think we should pursue that for populations that aren't going anywhere, like indigenous people. The gap is very unlikely to be 100% or even over 50% genetic, and the likelihood of individuals contributing positively to society is greater the higher their IQ (or more specifically g) is. One other thing is that IQ is just a subset/proxy of human intelligence, you've said yourself that the main thing is what you do, not how high your IQ is. If a population has lower median IQ by a few points but they contribute productively to society, then what's the big problem?

"If a population has lower median IQ by a few points but they contribute productively to society, then what's the big problem?"

The problem in Australia is when you have a group of people who emphasise that this is clearly not the case and you're getting 90% who are a drastic burden in every metric and negatively impacting the lives of everyone else while burdening the taxation system. Your argument might be valid in the United States in regards to their black community considering how poor civil rights were even up to the past 40 years, but not in Australia for our natives. With positive legal discrimination at every corner (which I think is the problem) what else can our government or people do to fix the problem? Some responsibility has to be taken amongst themselves, and interracial breeding will aid the issue in the longer term.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Sorry, but population-wide issues take a long time to fix. Existing problems compound and just increase in severity if left unchecked. Take alcohol abuse for example. There is a certain momentum in human societal development that can't be slowed or reversed easily. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try, certainly not when there are acknowledged misdeeds towards a certain populations as there is in the aboriginals' case.

"acknowledged misdeeds towards a certain populations"

You mean like giving them a welfare system, free public healthcare, modern medicine, western freedoms, physical security and more rights and benefits than white Australians under the law?

'There is a certain momentum in human societal development that can't be slowed or reversed easily."

I agree, but the solution isn't throwing money at the problem or virtue signallers offering their sympathy. Like I said, one means of aiding the alcohol abuse problem was introducing cashless debit cards for their government welfare to inhibit it being spent on drugs, and of course then the left call this "racist". Taking children away from abusive native parents again is inhibited and labelled "racist". Of course if a white parents molested their kids or abused them the kid would be taken away, not the case for aboriginals because apparently that would be "racism".

The problem with people like yourself is that your solution typically amounts to giving them less personal incentive to change, more money, undermining the rights and use of tax dollars by regular Australians, offering greater rights and benefits under law to the natives and slowly increasing these benefits and wasted money over the years with lesser and lesser results. Your sympathy and money has failed to fix the problem for decades and it shows no sign of improvement.

 

[blackg]

"Just meet some of dem abbos and you'll know what I'm talking about" *wink wink nudge nudge*

Some up basically what he told me.
I think he used the word "savages" when referring to Aborigines.
We were discussing the recent changes to the status of Uluro.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Some up basically what he told me.
I think he used the word "savages" when referring to Aborigines.
We were discussing the recent changes to the status of Uluro.

What is your honest experience with them and opinions about their situation here? What do you think we should be doing politically to benefit the overall situation?

 

[JeanLucBB]

Some up basically what he told me.
I think he used the word "savages" when referring to Aborigines.
We were discussing the recent changes to the status of Uluro.

I've worked and been to uni and school with a hugely diverse range of people from working to upper class, male and female, young and old and from various different religions and ideologies and 90% of them echo what I have said about them. When I was in Greece last year my family was talking to a man who said he used to live here and without even bringing up he explicitly asked "Do you still have problems with the abos"? I would call it universally accepted but rarely spoken about directly in polite company, but the fact is that even in polite and more intellectually inclined company I hear criticisms of the aboriginals all day long.

 

[blackg]

I'm predicting some pretentious cope about how he's above caring what we think about him etc. And maybe some patronising backhanded compliment towards you.

But at the end of the day he comes back here and puts himself out there and has done for a long time, just like the rest of us. We all care what at least some forum members think as it can be a true reflection, when thought out, of what we're actually like as people.

You care a little too much, Rudeman.

 

[blackg]

Rudiger, we need some six paragraph posts analyzing the psychopathology of my posting style. Can you do it? We're counting on you!

I sympathize with this tone, somewhat, but you are above this cheap approach.
Take this as a compliment.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Since we're discussing races, which of these Chads would you like to be:
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Thundercock or Goldschlong.

Goldschlong sounds like a bit of a beta cuck though.

 

[blackg]

I like that you're here because as rambunctious as I can be sometimes, you make me feel mature.

Fleetingly.

 

[blackg]

What do yo think about skull shapes and IQ, Rudiger? Did u know black people have smaller brain mass??!

Now you're trying the rope-a-dope approach.
Give up, son.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Sure. I can't deal with this forum in a constructive manner, it seems. It seems to bring out the best and the worst in me. I get very intensely into it, to a point where I stop caring about much else and get very aggressive and on-edge.

I need another break is what I'm saying.

I am the same way, I need one too.

 

[blackg]

Sure. I can't deal with this forum in a constructive manner, it seems. It seems to bring out the best and the worst in me. I get very intensely into it, to a point where I stop caring about much else and get very aggressive and on-edge.

I need another break is what I'm saying.

That's fair enough but it all really isn't worth breaking a sweat over.

 

[Rudiger]

Since we're discussing races, which of these Chads would you like to be:
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This is great content it deserves it's own topic brehbrah