The wonderful word of propecia by Wayne Rooney

[Prop]

some excerpts


How Wayne Rooney's hair loss cure could help boost your performance (both on and off the pitch...)


But scouring online forums, I find dozens of men reporting these unexpected boosts.
One, who calls himself Barry, writes: ‘After one to two months of Propecia, I gained about 5lb of muscle... nothing changed with my diet or lifting routine so I guess it was the Propecia.’
Another, Mohair, adds: ‘I’ve been taking it for several years and my sex drive seems to be increased now (I’m in my mid 40s).’

‘Some men I’ve spoken to have found an increase in their libido on Propecia, as well as having gained muscle.’
He puts me in touch with one. Marco (who asks me not to mention his surname) is a 33-year-old sales manager from London. He had a transplant last summer and started taking Propecia every day.
‘This year I’ve been lifting weights I’ve never been able to lift before,’ he says.
‘I’ve never taken steroids and I’ve always had the same diet. The only variable has been Propecia.
‘I’ve put on 7lb of muscle this year. I’ve never done that before. I can also do the weight sessions in one stop now without tiring.’
Dr Reddy has been on Propecia himself for a decade. ‘I don’t work out often and have gained more muscle [in the gym] than I would have expected,’ he says.

Rooney’s pursuit of the hirsute seems to be a winning tactic.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... mance.html

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[Wuffer]

This year I’ve been lifting weights I’ve never been able to lift before

I would agree with this one. I'm 29 and i'm lifting heavier and for longer than when I was 22.

 

[desperate4hair]

Bullshit

 

[Shma]

Lol, is this article sponsored by Merck? :thumbdown2:

 

[Wuffer]

Bullshit

Why is his story bullshit? Just because it is positive? Why then are ALL personal experiences with finasteride not bullshit, including the negative ones?

I've seen more evidence to support his story than anyone elses. It's known that Propecia raises testosterone levels by roughly 15%, and i've seen a very large scale study done that concludes testosterone is responsible for male libido and sexual function as opposed to DHT. One could conclude that taking Propecia would more often than not actually RAISE libido!

I'm pretty sure there is a separate unknown or overlooked mechanism in Finasteride that affects sexual function other than simply hormones. Since the vast majority of guys are not affected by this mechanism, I think many others will actually benefit from the raise in Testosterone levels. I don't think his story is so far from the truth.

But to cater to those of you in on conspiracy theories, maybe we will now start seeing him sporting a MERCK jersey!

 

[Prop]

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I've seen more evidence to support his story than anyone elses.

honestly i posted this for show the opposite

this story don't seems "a bit" too pro propecia?

 

[desperate4hair]

Bullshit

Why is his story bullshit? Just because it is positive? Why then are ALL personal experiences with finasteride not bullshit, including the negative ones?

I've seen more evidence to support his story than anyone elses. It's known that Propecia raises testosterone levels by roughly 15%, and i've seen a very large scale study done that concludes testosterone is responsible for male libido and sexual function as opposed to DHT. One could conclude that taking Propecia would more often than not actually RAISE libido!

I'm pretty sure there is a separate unknown or overlooked mechanism in Finasteride that affects sexual function other than simply hormones. Since the vast majority of guys are not affected by this mechanism, I think many others will actually benefit from the raise in Testosterone levels. I don't think his story is so far from the truth.

But to cater to those of you in on conspiracy theories, maybe we will now start seeing him sporting a MERCK jersey!

Are you f*****g joking me? So you're telling me this one story has more evidence than the thousands of horror stories posted online from REAL PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING WITH THE NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS EVERY DAY OF THEIR NOW WORTHLESS LIFE?!!!

 

[Wuffer]

No, my irate little friend. I'm saying there is more evidence in terms of scientific data that supports his story versus data that supports the people that are experiencing persistent side effects, based on what we currently have available. This is purely my interpretation and you are free to submit your rebuttal; but judging by your response, I’m not holding my breath for a level headed and rational explanation of your viewpoint.

 

[Prop]

hi wuffer, how r u ?
i've seen that u r registered on stopmpb

 

[misterpharmacist]

Article is a complete joke, no more credible than someone on here complaining of sides. None of the 'sources' have names, and the claim that by searching forums you come across guys who have bulked up and increased their libido is preposterous. For every one of those there's thirty guys saying they're getting negative sides. It's a PR job in the midst of unprecedented bad press for the drug.

Wayne Rooney is 99% not on propecia. Do you think a global superpower like Man United aren't meticulously monitoring their players' health? Do you think he would be allowed to take an anti-androgen for hairloss? The drug was illegal for use in many sports until recently. Give me a break.

Wuffer, stfu. Your pro pharma agenda is tiresome. That 'extra' testosterone gets converted to estrogen, hence many get tits, loss of libido, brain fog etc. Do not misrepresent the faulty science behind this drug. DHT is far more powerful than testosterone, hence there are plenty of guys who take STEROIDS while taking finasteride and still get sides!!! If you don't believe me go to any bodybuilding forum and do a search on propecia.

I took finasteride for five years then crashed. I wish I'd taken roids instead actually, then I would have at least felt like a man and not had to worry about getting permanent, UNSOLVABLE problems.

 

[Timi]

Hello
misterpharmacist

have you Quit finasteride??

Timi

 

[Rawtashk]

"I got sides, which GUARANTEES that you and EVERYONE ELSE that takes it will get it! I don't care about all the studies that have been done on it that indicate over 90% of men who take finasteride are fine!!!"

:jackit:

 

[misterpharmacist]

'I say I don't have sides, which GUARANTEES that everyone who is complaining about permanent castration is LYING and that finasteride is a totally safe drug to deal with a benign cosmetic problem. I don't care that Merck have had to update the label to include long term ED and depression as sides.'

:jackit: :jackit:

 

[Rawtashk]

Spoken like a person with blinders on.

This "benign cosmetic problem" just so happens to hit most men at an age where they're trying to start a career and get a mate. The balder you are, the tougher of a time you're going to have at both of those things. It'll leave you with long lasting emotional scars.

Also, every drug in the entire world has side effects, get used to that fact.

 

[misterpharmacist]

Spoken like a person with blinders on.

This "benign cosmetic problem" just so happens to hit most men at an age where they're trying to start a career and get a mate. The balder you are, the tougher of a time you're going to have at both of those things. It'll leave you with long lasting emotional scars.

Also, every drug in the entire world has side effects, get used to that fact.[/quote]


You misuderstand completely.

Of course every drug has sides but these are supposed to stop after cessation. Not get a whole lot WORSE like they do for most men with post finasteride syndrome.

Face it, if the truth about permanent side effects had been known about or disclosed this drug would never have been allowed to get out there, otherwise the FDA and whoever's job it is to protect the consumer from dangerous drugs would be exposed for incompetence.

Hairloss is not a medical problem. It is not even a significant cosmetic problem. Look at any number of balding men who are successful in any walk of life, not least Hollywood. We are not talking cystic acne or obesity here. Plus we live in the era of the buzzcut which makes receeding hair look good, cool even, not combovers or long hair.

Sure it might be tough on a 24 yo who is Norwood 4 +, but how many who start taking finasteride can say that? Most guys on here, and myself when I took it, have very slight receeding hairlines which barely anyone else notices and take it for prevention. The whole thing is an expensive waste of time because we were young and vain, and usually some guy like yourself on forums like these is pushing it hard.

If it was just sides on the drug, which as well know are GROSSLY misrepresented in scale by the 'official studies', that would perhaps be tolerable, but we are talking about an unacceptably high number of users having their sex lives and overall lives ruined.

 

[Wuffer]

If it was just sides on the drug, which as well know are GROSSLY misrepresented in scale by the 'official studies', that would perhaps be tolerable, but we are talking about an unacceptably high number of users having their sex lives and overall lives ruined.

I was going to write up a page-long response to all of the things that are completely wrong with your posts, but I won't bother because you will continue to use the same typical fear mongering buzzwords, write me off as a merck shill with an agenda. Just a little tip: this type of inane closed-mindedness will get you absolutely nowhere in life.

Anyway, i'll just pick at random the sentece I quoted. You say that everybody knows side effects are GROSSLY misrepresented in scale by the offical studies. Can you please present one piece of solid evidence to support this claim?

I'll start by presenting some evidence that negates this claim:

In the study, 3,177 Japanese men with androgenic alopecia (male pattern baldness) were given 1mg of Propecia from January 2006 through June of 2009. Of the 2,561 patients who completed the entire study, 2,230 (87.1%) demonstrated new hair growth, with 11.1% showing “great growth increase,â€￾ 36.5% “moderate increase,â€￾ and 39.5% “slight increase.â€￾ Adverse sexual side effects (including reduced libido and erectile dysfunction) were observed in only 0.7% of patients, even less than the 2% quoted in the original Propecia study. Based on this data, the research team concluded that Propecia is a safe and effective treatment for androgenic alopecia in Japanese males (and also stated that the results are unlikely to vary between males of different ethnic backgrounds). This study helps confirm the safe and effective nature of Propecia (finasteride) for treating male hair loss.

This study was not done by MERCK, or from what I can see, in any way funded by MERCK. It is not an "official" (if by that, you mean FDA trial studies) and completely supports the dozens of other studies that have been done on Finasteride.

Why do you continue to lie in the face of so much knowledge out there? You clearly have problems; I can agree with you that Propecia caused them. What are you gaining from lying? Keep in mind please: I am on your side. I agree that it's causing problems in people, and nobody quite knows why. I would like to see a solution as much as you do. But what really irks me is when people intentionally fear monger and make decisions for other people because they think they are the only ones that are right. You belittle a serious problem (hair loss) that can easily be fixed by taking Finasteride. Just because YOU don't find hair loss to be a serious problem, other people DO. It can literally be life ending for some young men.

 

[Rawtashk]

finasteride would have hit the market even if the tiny amount of PSE percentages were included on the label. Did you ever stop to think as to WHY there weren't included in the official results? Probably because it's such a small percentage that they present themselves during ANY OF THE THREE STAGES of trials.

You know what a side-effect of Aspirin is? Death (Reye's syndrome). It's a really small percentage of a side-effect, but it's still there....and it's still on the shelves.

 

[Mens Rea]

It's known that Propecia raises testosterone levels by roughly 15%, and i've seen a very large scale study done that concludes testosterone is responsible for male libido and sexual function as opposed to DHT. One could conclude that taking Propecia would more often than not actually RAISE libido!

and

I think many others will actually benefit from the raise in Testosterone levels. I don't think his story is so far from the truth.

Mate these are ill-considered, wreckless and frankly ridiculously comments.

Your logic and "conclusions" that follow are so skewed you shouldn't be surprised that you've managed to offend.

You've conveniently ignored that fact that finasteride also has been shown (in the same studies) to raise estrogen by 15% and cause estrogenic sides in a certain % of men. There's certainly nothing positive here.

IF your ridiculous conclusion had been true then the studies would had a category of "positive effects" of some sorts. Certainly, i've heard very, very, few stories that would lead me to conclude than any notable % experience prolonged / sustained positive effects like mentioned in that article. Yet, the internet is littered with horror stories and i myself have lived one of them.

Anyway, you've clearly became more extreme in your views. I do find that a little disappointing but that's your perogative. I hope your finasteride experience continue to be positive but don't let that skew your perception of reality, either.

 

[Timi]

i have take Bloodpressure Drug
this sh*t are more side effects as 50mg finasteride

I was more dead than alive

 

[ghg]

I've seen more evidence to support his story than anyone elses. It's known that Propecia raises testosterone levels by roughly 15%, and i've seen a very large scale study done that concludes testosterone is responsible for male libido and sexual function as opposed to DHT. One could conclude that taking Propecia would more often than not actually RAISE libido!

It's funny 'cause what finasteride did to my testosterone levels was to half it. While I was on it my t-levels were around 14-16, my body temperature was very low, and I felt chilling cold and tired all the time. Now that I've been off it for about 2 months, my t-levels are back to over 30. Normal value for men is 10-38.